honor of women in islam

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inJESUS said:
the site refers to a Bukhari passage which has nothing to do with rape but with slander. The verse was allegedly revealed because of someone slandering Aisha, not raping her. The site is not Islamic i believe that’s why an Islamic site must say the same in order for us to assess the validity of such an argument.
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this was part of my cunundrom - I don’t understand how the slander of Aisha got turned into that women get killed if they don’t have 4 witnesses to rape. yes, they do get killed and for any muslims to deny what happens in countries under sharia law is disingenuous. I will cite some references but all one has to do is go to jihadwatch.org and also the web for themselves and find plenty of examples.

Take note that this story tells us this is a Medinan verse which is known as the violent verses. Notice also the archaic rules that apply to establishing rape. In the stories of mohammed getting his ‘visions’ or words from allah - is why I think he had something like epilepsy or something.
jihadwatch.org/archives/020890.php

As a side note, they turn rape back on to us - there is a jihad tactic to use rape against non-muslims too - but that is another story. Just put in the search word of ‘rape’ in jihadwatch.org for those little tidbits.
 
R_not said:
this was part of my cunundrom - I don’t understand how the slander of Aisha got turned into that women get killed if they don’t have 4 witnesses to rape. yes, they do get killed and for any muslims to deny what happens in countries under sharia law is disingenuous. I will cite some references but all one has to do is go to jihadwatch.org and also the web for themselves and find plenty of examples.

i don’t know if raped women get killed in Islam, and i don’t know if this is backed up by their scriptures but from what i read, the witnesses are asked in case of slander, not rape. As such we need an official teaching… Just while am writing to you, Shia and Muslims are killing each others on the street in here yet Islamically, it is haram to kill another Muslim.
is why I think he had something like epilepsy or something.
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This is only one of the reasons why muslims in the West start clumping together. They not only practice sharia law which includes polygamy, there are other political reasons that they are doing it. I won’t get into it here, and if you want to know more you can read ‘A Never Ending War’ for yourselves. Numbers allow them to vote for things that they want despite the laws of their host country.

One day the ones that truly want freedom won’t have anywhere to run.
 
inJESUS said:
i don’t know if raped women get killed in Islam, and i don’t know if this is backed up by their scriptures but from what i read, the witnesses are asked in case of slander, not rape. As such we need an official teaching… Just while am writing to you, Shia and Muslims are killing each others on the street in here yet Islamically, it is haram to kill another Muslim
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Oh, and I forgot to add that by clumping together they can do things like polygamy without being too conspicuous. Unless, like incidences in NYC a polygamous family got caught in a fire - and they were on welfare also. There is no way a man can take care off all the wives and kids he has unless they are independently wealthy.
 
Booklover said:
inJESUS;3657004:
That’s the problem, there’s just too much contradiction in Islam!

Vickie
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yes but the point is we must research if it is a teaching or not…it is true that even teachings and fatwas can contradict themselves, but at least it must be a teaching in order for our argument to hold water…Jihadwatch or any other site might present correct teachings but it might present wrong ones so we must make sure we take what is good from them and reject the wrong …see it’s like Muhammad saying that Trinity is about partners to God, to which we respond : you should have asked before assuming:p
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R_Not brought up a point. Recently, there have many cases of welfare frauds committed by islamists and their many wifes. Obviously, they are not well off. They just want to have fun “fondling” their wives all the way to the bank. They think with their small head instead of their big head.
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Oh, and I forgot to add that by clumping together they can do things like polygamy without being too conspicuous. Unless, like incidences in NYC a polygamous family got caught in a fire - and they were on welfare also. There is no way a man can take care off all the wives and kids he has unless they are independently wealthy.
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Dunno what brought this idea to my head…but can you imagine what the black Islamic outfit can actually hide? i mean, a woman can kill a man and go unnoticed…after all, what will differentiate her from other women …ok i guess i must go sleep 😃
 
inJESUS said:
Dunno what brought this idea to my head…but can you imagine what the black Islamic outfit can actually hide? i mean, a woman can kill a man and go unnoticed…after all, what will differentiate her from other women …ok i guess i must go sleep 😃
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That probably could only happen in the West. And even then with husbands owning their women - the women could be more secluded than we think - I don’t know in all cases. But in muslim countries she would be in peril. A woman has to not only deal with her own owner but also other males and she would not be able to just get up and move and get a job to feed herself and in most cases, her children too.

It just is not free in muslim countries under sharia law.

that is also the point of those tents - women are non-entities. no matter what muslims say to defend such things. They are just as brainwashed as any other in that ‘religion’.

A good story/book about what polygamy does to the woman, the male children and basically the whole society is ‘Now they Call Me Infidel’ by Nonie Darwish. She is an Egyptian and was a muslim. She tells of her martyr father who murdered Jews to get that status. She also mentions the Copt Christians and their plight briefly.

The book doesn’t only go into that but it gives one a good sense of the destructiveness of polygamy on the human soul.

Personally, I think it is an aberration, and just plain old nasty.
 
To change the subject a bit - here is an author that I find very knowledgable, Mr Fjordman, writes about the muslim male and infidel women.

Rape being a tactic in war - in the realm of war - dar al harb - our lands not under sharia law.

They look at us infidel women as booty, as tactics to advance terror and fear. Here is an article about that and other things:
islam-watch.org/Fjordman/Islam&Rape.htm

You can do your own searches in jihadwatch.org and also jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch, etc and find what is happening in europe, the Sudan, Darfur, India and how muslims are using rape as a tactic in their war. In India they are kidnapping woman and taking them for muslim males to either enslave or marry. Then they do not allow the families to see their children again because they are infidels. It happens elsewhere too.

If we even hear about it it is a miracle since the police and media do not tell us most of the time what is happening. Look at the lack of telling us about the muslim polygamy case in California while we get news galore about the Mormons, or some nut case, practicing polygamy. We might hear about it if disasters happen, such as what happened in NYC when a muslim polygamy family got burned in an overcrowded house.

jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/009297.php

jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/017882.php

this story is about it happening in europe:
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/018610.php

Here it happens to Coptic Christian girls:
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/007855.php

Here is an article just talking about islam and terrorism:
frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=3bb60f95-2378-40b6-9453-92f121041331

Here they are encouraging the muslim clerics to marry non-muslims and convert them with money:
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/012002.php

here they are doing their deeds to Christian women for land in Pakistan:
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/012773.php
 
my 1 question.if a woman raped by a men&she really need 4 witness to prove it then isn’t it horrible?so when a bad man try to rape a woman then should the woman shout to other ppl that"oh ppl pls come,a man is going to rape me&to prove it i need 4 witness!"?lol.good lord in heaven save me from this blunder!
 
morning_star777 said:
my 1 question.if a woman raped by a men&she really need 4 witness to prove it then isn’t it horrible?so when a bad man try to rape a woman then should the woman shout to other ppl that"oh ppl pls come,a man is going to rape me&to prove it i need 4 witness!"?lol.good lord in heaven save me from this blunder!
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I think that in a perfect world we would hope that people would come to help but how many rapists do their deeds with other people around? And how often have we heard, from reports on our own shores, when people cry for help - people will stand by and watch or ignore the cries and do absolutely nothing? There is no law for those types of people either, but in a country that people get limbs chopped off, hangings, stonings, whippings, etc it would take bravery beyond the norm. And also with the mentality that rape is the woman’s fault too - why would a man help when they have been brainwashed with that sort of mentality?

Then there will always be a brave soul that might help - but the odds are against it.

I think that if I were a woman in islam I would be as brainwashed as them and I would hope I would have the courage of a Aayan Hirsi Ali, Nonie Darwish, etc to leave it if I was able to see the light of freedom. The problem is that leaving islam is a death sentence (fatwas are issued against those who leave and any muslim can carry out that task) in itself that is why these people usually have to be guarded 24 hours or never reveal where they reside.

Most of this is why there is a clash of civilizations and their bringin sharia law into our country is repellant to me and should be to anyone. All one has to do is read the koran, hadiths and then do some research on sharia law and find how repellent they are. The irony is that they find our ‘man made’ laws as repellent because they say their allah didn’t make them. allah is not something that I would want as a god. (anyway - it is based on mohammed’s pagan religion and a moon god so it is out of the question anyway)
 
inJESUS said:
Dunno what brought this idea to my head…but can you imagine what the black Islamic outfit can actually hide? i mean, a woman can kill a man and go unnoticed…after all, what will differentiate her from other women …ok i guess i must go sleep 😃
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A man could also hide under that outfit!

Vickie 😃
 
Sister_Amy said:
He is still happily married to his first wife. And if he divorces me, it will be the same as if any husband divorces his wife, whether she is the only wife or not.
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So you are well prepared, then. Good for you.👍 But, personally I would pray that you would not be divorced. My Lord hates divorce, and my religion forbid divorce, and I agree.
 
morning_star777 said:
ya dolphi you are right.i forgot to ask that.ya if islam gave a great honor to women then why maximum women will go to hell?actually islam never honor women.islam clearly dishonor women
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Only God knows who goes to hell…so please get out this bad idea of saying who goes to hell or not…in your case "why maximum women go to hell’…because you dont know yourself.
 
In a recent US magazine, I will get the link later, but the story is on other news sources as well, there is a story of a woman from Belgium who married a man who went on to be involved in the Madrid train bombings. She went from being a Catholic to a Muslim, he went from being a fairly lax Muslim to being a radical. Anyway, two things jumped out at me about the story.

First, she said that she loved wearing the burka because it made her feel INVISIBLE. SHe knew that not only were men not looking at her in a sexual way, they were not looking at all. This is problematic for me. As a rule, it is never good for people to be happy to blend in with the surroundings or want to feel invisible. It shows a lack of self-awareness and self-assurance. I am not saying that she should want to be the center of attention. It is not good to want to be ignored, either.

Second, when her husband went to jail, she met another MUslim man and has started a relationship with him. She wants a divorce from her first husband. How hard is that to get? I would think that it would be easy, since he is a convicted terrorist, but it seems like there are issues with it.
 
i shouldn’t give any comment.cuz its a very personal matter of muslims ladies if they will happy with their husband who has more than 1 wife.i just can pray for muslims.OH LORD JESUS SAVE THEM!
 
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