honor of women in islam

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Ron,actually i told that islam said that maximum women will go to hell.and its not a honour.but dishonour.i never belive that maximum women will go to hell!
 
swariffin said:
Uh… Vicky, I am lost here. I imagine to be the man who took the pictures. (1) How can I distinguish who is who underneath the outfit? and (2) How can I know I took a picture at the object not the shadow of my object? 😃 😃 (Just kidding…)
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Why even bother to take the picture?? You can’t tell who’s who anyway.

Vickie
 
Booklover said:
A man could also hide under that outfit!

Vickie 😃
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I have read many incidences where men hid in those robes. One was from the UK trying to leave because they were after his sorry behind.

but, there is other things that are disgusting too - the pregnant belly bomb. I only heard about it last year but they have known about it for a bit longer. The real disgusting thing are the muslims using children and babies as bombs - remember that woman they caught in the UK in that big sting?

The belly bomb
jihadwatch.org/archives/014086.php

The more I dig into islam the more disgusting it becomes to me. And those defending it - well, all I can say is that defending the indefensible seems to be a passtime with many non-muslim apologists and it is to be expected from the brainwashed muslims since many of them don’t have a clue as to their own prophet, koran and hadiths let alone the history of islam’s violence. All they worry about is its image which is not very good but doesn’t seem to bother these apologists.
 
inJESUS said:
Booklover;3657307:
yes but the point is we must research if it is a teaching or not…it is true that even teachings and fatwas can contradict themselves, but at least it must be a teaching in order for our argument to hold water…Jihadwatch or any other site might present correct teachings but it might present wrong ones so we must make sure we take what is good from them and reject the wrong …see it’s like Muhammad saying that Trinity is about partners to God, to which we respond : you should have asked before assuming:p
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Here is another Islamic on Islamic punishment for rape. It talks about the punishment for the man who commits rape and also mentions 4 witnesses plus has the usual diatribe against western society…

The punishment for rape in Islam is the same as the punishment for zina (adultery or fornication), which is stoning if the perpetrator is married, and one hundred lashes and banishment for one year if he is not married.

Moreover, Ibn `Abdul-Barr (may Allah bless his soul) saidThe scholars are unanimously agreed that the rapist is to be subjected to the hadd punishment if there is clear evidence against him that he deserves the hadd punishment, or if he admits to that. Otherwise, he is to be punished (that is, if there is no proof that the hadd punishment for zina may be carried out against him because he does not confess and there are not four witnesses, then the judge may punish him and stipulate a punishment that will deter him and others like him). There is no punishment for the woman if it is true that he forced her and overpowered her. (Al-Istidhkaar, 7/146).In addition, the rapist is subject to the hadd punishment for zina, even if the rape was not carried out at knifepoint or gunpoint. If the use of a weapon was threatened, then he is a muharib, and is to be subjected to the hadd punishment described in the verse in which Allah says (The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter) (Al-Ma’idah 5:33).
So the judge has the choice of the four punishments mentioned in this verse and may choose whichever he thinks is most suitable to attain the objective, which is to spread peace and security in society, and ward off evildoers and aggressors.

Here’s another one: Are Raped women asked to bring 4 witnesses? This may be the same one Sister Amy quoted from.
"A woman who has been raped cannot be asked to produce witnesses; her claim shall be accepted unless there are tangible grounds to prove otherwise. To insist that she provide witnesses is akin to inflicting further pain on her. If anyone refutes her claim of innocence, the onus is on him to provide evidence, and she may simply deny the claim by making a solemn oath, thus clearing herself in public. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “The onus to provide evidence falls on the one who makes a claim, and the one who denies (the same) can absolve himself or herself by making a solemn oath to the contrary.”

Does this sound contradictory or not? If a woman charges a man with rape and he denies it and takes the oath, how does she prove her claim? Will she indeed need the “4 witnesses” to prove her case? This is another example of the illogic of Islam!
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Vickie! i guess that pic is taken in Beirut 😃 can you check if am right?
 
Booklover said:
inJESUS;3657354 said:
Here is another Islamic
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on Islamic punishment for rape. It talks about the punishment for the man who commits rape and also mentions 4 witnesses plus has the usual diatribe against western society… this link addresses the punishment of the rapist, not the woman.

Does this sound contradictory or not? well its strange. If the onus to provide evidence falls on the one who makes the claim, then the onus falls on the woman to give evidence that she was raped. So how does a solemn oath work?
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am positive it’s in down town Beirut! i’ve been there a thousand time…i do not think such an “atmosphere” can be found in SA…these are Saudi tourists taking pics 😃
 
inJESUS said:
am positive it’s in down town Beirut! i’ve been there a thousand time…i do not think such an “atmosphere” can be found in SA…these are Saudi tourists taking pics 😃
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You’re probably right then!

Vickie 😃
 
Sister_Amy said:
I’m the second wife. 😛
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Well Sister Amy, I don’t know what to say here, but I was really shocked when I have read your post, a second wife!, why!, I wonder, nothing from Christianity remained in your heart, couldn’t you at least avoided this polygamy.

Do you know what would happen with his first wife once she knows about that!, how would she feel!, not to mention the children, are you ready to be happy on the expense of others sadness!

I will tell you a personal matter about my family, I have a sister in the marriage age, and she refused so far about 6 persons asked for her hand, and I’m praying to God that she keeps refusing any new person in the future till I introduce Christianity to her, maybe she would convert and avoid the marriage to any Muslim man forever, because I love my sister, and I really can’t sustain seeing her coming to me after couple of years with sorrow & broken heart to tell me that her husband has taken a second wife, really I would be too angry on him, on Islam, and on myself.

You are only 24 according to one of your posts, still young, and I don’t think there is a shortage of bachelor Muslims in US, anyway, its your life, but I hope you have met your fiance and spoke with him before you made your decision, at least to know his mentalities.
Sister_Amy said:
Sure, people change. Which is why I said that I would deal with the situation as would be appropriate. It’s something I have thought about including in the marriage contract. It’s not the end of the world.
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I don’t think you can include any condition in the marriage contract in Saudi Arabia, we don’t have something called conditional marriage contract, it will be literally according to the Islamic law, even it will be solely in Arabic.
 
inJESUS said:
Sister Amy;3650670:
Is there a precedent for that in Islamic history? I’ve NEVER heard of it, and frankly it doesn’t strike me as something that would even be allowed. Egypt isn’t exactly the gold standard for islamic legislation, btw.
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Egypt isn’t exactly the gold standard for islamic legislation,SA isn’t exactly the gold standard for islamic legislation,Pakistan isn’t exactly the gold standard for islamic legislation,Afghanistan isn’t exactly the gold standard for islamic legislation ecc…is there one country were correct Islam is taught? If Al-Azhar get things wrong, what is left? pick and choose what suits you in Islam?
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Sheikha Amy and her Sheikh are the gold standards for Islamic legislation.😉
 
“sheikha amy and her sheikh are the gold standards of islamic legislation”.lol brother sam i am really laughing with your comment.ya you are true.cuz sister amy also told me that bangladeshis are also don’t know anything about islam.so i asked her to come here and teach ppl about islam.haha
 
Booklover said:
No, it’s actually Saudi Arabia.

Here’s the shortcut:

sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/3340934-say_cheese-saudi_arabia.jpg

How about this for a halal pet:

http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/muslimpussy.jpg

When I saw this, I cracked up laughing! :rotfl: :rotfl:

Vickie
It’s from the same satire here.
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Oh dear Vickie, you crack me up!
I dont think that other picture was taken in saudi, i noticed a woman in the background wearing glasses and her hair was out… if she was in saudi looking like this, she would be stoned, shot or flogged…
Im not trying to correct you.
 
actualy islam never gave women any honour.they claimed that men can marry 4 women for their desire.so i want to tell that why men will be so lewd?&how muhammad knew that men will need 4 wives?isn’t abuse for women?oh ya muhammad needed 13 wives to fulfil his desire.so maybe he thought that all men will be like him.but i can bet if many muslim ppl become lewd its just for muhammad cuz he provoked to take 4 wives.jesus save us from this beast.
 
i just can say that no male need 4 wives.but islam permit them to take 4 wives.so its a clear dishonour of women.can any muslim answer me if islam gave the equal honour both men and women then why women can’t take 4 husband if men can take 4 wives?or why women have to cover.why not men will protect them?and why women should cover themselves?isn’t ABUSE?so i proclaim that islam is abusive religion.and its true.
 
morning_star777 said:
i just can say that no male need 4 wives.but islam permit them to take 4 wives.so its a clear dishonour of women.can any muslim answer me if islam gave the equal honour both men and women then why women can’t take 4 husband if men can take 4 wives?or why women have to cover.why not men will protect them?and why women should cover themselves?isn’t ABUSE?so i proclaim that islam is abusive religion.and its true.
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Yes, it is abuse. Basically the ‘religion’ says that men do not have to take any responsibility for themselves. It is their way. Look at the mess the Middle East is in now, or any country that has a substantial muslim population - the muslims blame everyone, everything, and anything else when it is they who are the problem!

The ‘religion’ basically says it is ok for men to do whatever to infidels that they want to do, and also their own women. All they have to say is that it was an ‘honor killing’ if they maim, torture and/or kill their women, and as for infidels - well, all muslims are ok with doing whatever to them. And they can lie about anything to the infidel - even that they are muslims - if they feel threatened.

They blame the Jews for their own faults and they blame the West for this and that.

And obviously it doesn’t stop rape when their own women cover up or else us hearing about women getting stoned, or hanged, in the middle east wouldn’t be happening. They can wear a full tent and they can still get raped. Why should a man care? Nothing will happen to him if his victim doesn’t have 4 witnesses?!
 
Sam, there’s an abundance of single muslim men where I live. But I’m picky, and wouldn’t marry just some random person. And his wife knows, I’ve talked to her about it myself, so her “finding out” won’t be a problem, because she already knows. So you shouldn’t make assumptions about me, and neither should anyone else.

Moreover, a marriage contract is part of Islam, and women are allowed to include some stipulations in it–that’s part of Islam. Not like I’d expect you to know that, though. And another thing you probably didn’t know–a woman can’t get into the country without a mahram, right? So it’s not even possible for me to go to Saudia to get married, I would have to get married here. And seeing is how my fiance is a US citizen, that’s exactly what I plan to do.

I can do fine without comments from the peanut gallery, now.

All of you who are mocking a lifestyle and culture that you cannot begin to understand, is that how you bring people to your faith? It’s shameful behavior, really. Islam does honor women, it honors women unlike any other culture or law on the planet, and I’m pretty sure I know why you can’t see that, and it’s an ignorance and arrogance of which I want no part.
 
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