honor of women in islam

[AgnosTheist]

There isn’t anything ‘religious’ about polygamy. It is skanky and smarmy and by just saying that it is ok - you are putting a stamp of approval on them bringing sharia law into our country - because that is what this is all about.

she is doing this against american law. i think its insanity, but since love is blind let her suffer the consequences. there is nothing we can do. only experience would change her mind. from what i have heared “islamic contracts” would not amount to anything when her unlawful marriage breaks down. contracts are nothing without the backing of the law. her kids would still be illegitimate. the muslim man is the only real winner here. let her suffer.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Can a moman enter in the mosque to pray ?

I really don’t know

Yes, according to Islam. There is even supposed to be a special door for women so they don’t have to mix with the men.

Unfortunately, in South Asian countries like… I dunno, BANGLADESH… the men don’t allow women to go to the mosque. And the women don’t allow women to go either. It’s pretty messed up, the way they distort Islam.

Doesn’t have anything with not being a true Muslim, as LaMar said. They are true Muslims if they say they are and they believe it, they just misunderstand their religion.

 

[whiteknite]

Yes, according to Islam. There is even supposed to be a special door for women so they don’t have to mix with the men.

Unfortunately, in South Asian countries like… I dunno, BANGLADESH… the men don’t allow women to go to the mosque. And the women don’t allow women to go either. It’s pretty messed up, the way they distort Islam.

Doesn’t have anything with not being a true Muslim, as LaMar said. They are true Muslims if they say they are and they believe it, they just misunderstand their religion.

Women arent allowed in the Uk Mosques…
It causes alot of trouble with the elders…

 

[Sister_Amy]

Women arent allowed in the Uk Mosques…
It causes alot of trouble with the elders…

Most Muslims in the UK hail from South Asia–India and Pakistan for example–and keep their cultural baggage.

The USA (and praise God for this, really) has much more diversity. About 1/3 of American Muslims are African-Americans who have been a make-up of the population for centuries. Another 1/3 are Southasian–clearly not a majority, though. Another 20% are some variety of Arabs, from Morocco to the Gulf, and there is a considerable (and growing) population of Africans as well, and then some other minorities. But that diversity prevents there being a majority who can enforce their cultural baggage on the rest of the Muslim community here. There must be more cooperation, and you find people returning more to authentic proofs and scholarship than relying on cultural norms.

Keeping women out of the mosque is a cultural thing, totally, something which in fact is even forbidden.

'Umar told his son that the Prophet forbade them from preventing women to go to the mosques, and the son said that they would prevent them anyway! And 'Umar hit him, and asked how he could have the audacity to prevent women from the mosques when the Prophet Muhammad forbade them from that! And that is an authentic hadith through numerous chains btw.

Women are definitely allowed to go to the mosques, according to Islam. Anyone who prevents them is putting culture over religion, and that’s a fact.

 

[morning_star777]

dear sister amy,you are correct at time women didn’t allowed to enter mosque.but now they can enter.but do you know who allow women to enter mosque?a wahabite group.they are very bigot about islam.and for your kind information in bangladesh recently terrorism raised.and they are a group of wahabi.but wahabi addressed themselves as ahlul hadith here in bangladesh.and their bigotry is horrible.&if you say that they are true muslim then u have lost

 

[Sister_Amy]

This is a nice blog about polygyny.

bigfaith.wordpress.com/

Not everyone hates polygyny like you people think. For some people (myself included) it is an alternative that is favorable to monogamy in many ways. It’s possible to see that if you open your eyes and stop trying to impose your narrow view of the world on everyone else.

 

[Sister_Amy]

dear sister amy,you are correct at time women didn’t allowed to enter mosque.but now they can enter.but do you know who allow women to enter mosque?a wahabite group.they are very bigot about islam.and for your kind information in bangladesh recently terrorism raised.and they are a group of wahabi.but wahabi addressed themselves as ahlul hadith here in bangladesh.and their bigotry is horrible.&if you say that they are true muslim then u have lost

Yeah I know “ahle hadith” (aka salafis, aka wahhabis, whatever) are causing a ruckus, and not just in Bangladesh but in India and Pakistan too. They are bucking the Hanafi madhhab, but in a destructive way.

They are trying to reform Islam, go back to original authentic Islam, and get rid of some cultural baggage, but what they end up doing is just bashing everyone who doesn’t agree with them, and that’s not the best way to promote change and reform, even though they are trying to return to more appropriate traditions from the life of Muhammad.

But being a bigot, or an ignorant fool, doesn’t take a person out of Islam.

What I said a few posts up, I will repeat: if someone says he is a Muslim, then he for all intents and purposes IS a Muslim. Forget this “so and so is not a true muslim” ****, because anyone who says that someone else isn’t, endangers himself before God.

I said that your mullahs and all don’t have a good understanding of Islam, but that doesn’t make them not true muslims. I think the salafis have a better understanding of Islam but sometimes their manners and etiquette is really really bad. But it doesn’t make them not true muslims. K?

 

[Verisimilitude]

It’s possible to see that if you open your eyes and stop trying to impose your narrow view of the world on everyone else.

When will you open your eyes? I have seen you make excuses for authorized beatings of women by men, legitimized segregation between the sexes, rationalized multiple divorce/marriages, and excused Mohammeds unsavory actions to include the abolition of adoption rights, womens intelligence, womens faith, child sex…and the lsit goes on.

Narrow view point my be from which end of the spectrum you are looking from, and only Islam has sacred text that speaks of imposing your will upon others by hook or crook.

 

[morning_star777]

but sister amy my MULLAHS are not all from the ahlul hadith.they are also from hanafi madhhab.and who told you that ahle hadith r ignorant?belive me they show the true hadith like bukhari&muslim.or ryadus salehin.maximum of them are just not only well educated but also knw quran&hadith both.ya they show us all scripture and proved that they are correct.all hanafi scholar lost openly with them while discussing about islam

 

[Sister_Amy]

but sister amy my MULLAHS are not all from the ahlul hadith.they are also from hanafi madhhab.and who told you that ahle hadith r ignorant?belive me they show the true hadith like bukhari&muslim.or ryadus salehin.maximum of them are just not only well educated but also knw quran&hadith both.ya they show us all scripture and proved that they are correct.all hanafi scholar lost openly with them while discussing about islam

I’m sorry. I know your english isn’t very good so you’re having a hard time understanding me. I’ll slow it down.

I KNOW the mullahs aren’t from ahle hadith–probably mostly from hanafi. But they are ignorant to many teachings of Islam. Instead, they teach culture. That is one problem, the first one I mentioned.

Ahle lhadith–they are ignorant, too, but in a different way. I have no doubt they can quote Qur’an and Hadith easily, and I trust their intentions. But many times they have bad manners. So they are ignorant of the proper etiquette of scholarship.

I’m more of a Salafi type myself–Ahle lHadith or whatever you want to call it.

But I’ve heard that these people, especially in the subcontinent, have very bad manners and no respect for the Hanafi scholars in the area. It’s not everyone, but enough to be a problem in some places.

here’s what I said before:

I said that your mullahs and all don’t have a good understanding of Islam, but that doesn’t make them not true muslims.

That is referring to hanafi mullahs.

I think the salafis have a better understanding of Islam but sometimes their manners and etiquette is really really bad. But it doesn’t make them not true muslims. K?

salafi=ahlul hadith.

Both are true Muslims. But maybe their understanding of Islam isn’t complete.

 

[morning_star777]

sister amy i know my english isn’t good.but i understood wat you wanted to say.but i couldn’t explain myself.actually i wanted to say that they were not violent in the begining.but after 9/11 they become violent cuz they proclaimed that now the jihad started!they asked ppl to join afghan jihad openly.anyway the bd ppl was also the supporter of laden.but when the terrorism raised here by ahle hadith,ppl guess that they r not good.bt ppl stil bigot

 

[morning_star777]

oh 1 thing i forgot to say that islamic bigotry is increasing in muslim ppl day by day.

 

[R_not]

This is a nice blog about polygyny.

bigfaith.wordpress.com/

Not everyone hates polygyny like you people think. For some people (myself included) it is an alternative that is favorable to monogamy in many ways. It’s possible to see that if you open your eyes and stop trying to impose your narrow view of the world on everyone else.

Uh - excuse me - our ‘narrow view’ IS OUR LAW.

What don’t you understand about the law of the land that you decided you wanted to live in!? It just amazes me the utter arrogance of some that think their so called ‘religion’ is supposed to outrank the law of the land when on the other hand they also want the separation of church and state - for others, but not for themselves?!

Read your website? the website of the brainwashed? I suppose it is a good read to look into what brainwashed people like to read to make themselves feel good.

 

[Sister_Amy]

oh 1 thing i forgot to say that islamic bigotry is increasing in muslim ppl day by day.

bigotry is increasing everywhere, i think–and not just from muslims.

 

[Verisimilitude]

absolutly mr.R_not they will kill me.&i guess the situation off sam_777 is more dangerous than me.cuz he is from saudi arabia.so jesus save all of us.save all ppl.AMEN

Both of you specifically will be in my prayers because your dangers are very real.

 

[morning_star777]

i have nothing to say.but i just can tell you in my whole life i didn’t see any muslim who is not bigot.all muslims attack other religion with nasty word but if openly any non muslim tell even a simple word against islam then muslim become violent.as an ex muslim i mixed thousands muslims but just 2 or 3 r different.&we wil learn from reality.so i found that al muslims r violent thats why i leaved islam.&dislike islam cuz i have worst experience

 

[Angelos]

I’m sorry. I know your english isn’t very good so you’re having a hard time understanding me. I’ll slow it down.

How rude and offensive!

LaMar should see this specific post of yours. You are not different from Muslims that declare all non-Muslims that cannot understand Arabic “mere idiots”. It is irrational and unfair of you to claim that this Arabic guy cannot understand your remarks because of his limited English while you pretend to understand the Koran better than ex-Muslims whose mother tongue is Arabic.

Could Mohammad read and write even his native language? NO!

I do not hate hypocrites though, but only hypocricy

 

[Angelos]

bigotry is increasing everywhere, i think–and not just from muslims.

… but the consequences of increasing bigotry in Muslim countries pose a more serious threat to our world.

 

[R_not]

bigotry is increasing everywhere, i think–and not just from muslims.

Yes, muslims might call us getting to know islam, its koran and hadiths, it ‘prophet’ and its long history of violence both past and present as bigotry. One thing that we call all depend on is their definitions will be distorted, just as they distort the meaning of peace, peace treaties, victims, aggressors, etc.

Muslims don’t like it when we are educated on it all. It is why infidels are usually killed for doing this in lands under sharia law. Or even in our own lands as Theo Van Gogh was killed, and Aayan Hirsi Ali now has to have 24 hour guards. As Geert Wilders has had a fatwa issued against him. As the cartoonists are also threatened and some who were involved with them have been killed.

Yep, bigotry takes on a whole new dimension in islam.

They are allowed freedoms here unlike any muslim country and they whine and call us names, such as islamophobes and bigots, but if we were in their country - we would be called dhimmi (subjugated) and take our lives in our hands with a day to day existence with no rights at all.

 

[morning_star777]

yes mr.angelos you are correct.bigotry is increasing horribly in every muslim country.my country bangladesh was moderate muslim country just 7 years before but since 2001 the islamic bigotry is increasing and now its very unfair there.after election of 2001 the fanatic group beat hindu ppl and raped hindu girls.bt govt was silent.1 journalist mr.shahriar kabir made the video tape of those occurrence&tried to show amnesty but police arrest him!!!