honor of women in islam

[ToddM]

You say:
The Most Blessed Virgin Mary DID NOT give birth to any other children but Jesus. At least I would like to confirm from all the Catholics here that mother Mary did not give birth to any other child except Jesus. Will you please reply and give a reply in consensus on this matter.

Because I have read in the bible some sentence which said, “How come he is so wise, Is he not that Jesus the son of the carpentar whose sisters are in our houses (meaning the sisters are married to the people)”

That info in the bible OT states that the sisters of Jesus were married to people in the area. Can you find that verse and explain please?

If you want the Catholic consensus on many things, as well as threads, look it up in the catechism, straight ‘f/the horse’s mouth.’
so to speak.

 

[ToddM]

Don’t you think that if Muslims had the power to stop it, that they would have?

Do you think that the influx of weapons from “Christian” countries is helping? The exploitation of wartorn countries? There are many Christians in these same African countries where you see this–it has nothing to do with Islam.

‘Nothing’ is a bit of a stretch, but in principle how is this response incorrect? Brother’s keeper? (easy there Agno)

 

[ToddM]

Blame the Christians, or anyone else, for the poor behavior of muslims - it seems you are learning very well.

Slavery in our lands had its help by muslims in fact. The slave traders went to Africa to pick them up and they were rounded up by the muslims there. And when we stopped it - muslims did not.

In the late 1960s, saudi arabia signed an agreement to stop slavery. Well, as with all agreements with infidels - muslims did not stop the slave trade and it is alive and well.

Boys are indeed made into slaves and they are often castrated. some even have their penises cut off if they are going to be in contact with other wives and women slaves. Male, and also female, slaves are usually cast off when they are of no use and usually they gather around the mosques to get handouts because in muslim countries these people cannot get a job.

I have posted this several times, and all one has to do is do a search using ‘slavery in islam’, or look in jihadwatch for some archived stories.

answering-islam.org/Silas/slavery.htm

Also saudis found out that they cannot bring their slaves here to the states or they get put in jail. do a search for yourself on ‘saudi denver slave’. And muslims can do anything they want with their slaves - it is a-ok since they are only infidels.

jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/011826.php

or if you don’t like jihadwatch, here is another website, take note of the saudi’s words on slavery A Muslim finally admitted rape and slavery of women are “basic Muslim behaviors.”:
debbieschlussel.com/archives/2006/09/typical_saudi_m.html

the denial is sort of getting smarmy when the facts are out there and muslims don’t want to admit it because it isn’t happening in their 4 walls of their house - yet.

And the difference between it happening here and it happening in muslim nations - we have laws while muslim laws sanction slavery - as it sanctions doing anything that they want to do to infidels.

mohammed had slaves, he and his band of followers got them after they killed off the men and boys ‘with hair’ and passed them around as booty. this is the guy that they follow.

I would say that history is sorely lacking in muslim minds.

Who killed Christ? Are these the least of these? Why haven’t we stopped abortion?

Where do you draw the line?

 

[ToddM]

Don’t you think that if Muslims had the power to stop it, that they would have? Still trying to figure that out

Do you think that the influx of weapons from “Christian” countries is helping? The exploitation of wartorn countries? There are many Christians in these same African countries where you see this–it has nothing to do with Islam.

Seems to me though, that humanity as a whole has a big share in this.

No, I am not saying that we are all responsible for the action, but how about the response?

'Why does God let (x) bad thing happen"
paraphrase from random 2 year olds

 

[ToddM]

Hi, Booklover! I am glad you are back and apparently in good shape… Welcome back! Sorry I didn’t tell you earlier…
Now, this question is certainly one worth consideration. How do you tell in Islam who is teaching real Islam from one who does not? Can you rely on a sure authority to make sure Muslims who don’t teach authentic Islam are known as un-authentic and the ones who teach authentic Islam be recognized as such? Or is Islam a bit like the United Church ( a place where all opinions are accepted, even those not in accordance with actual Christian teachings ), but about Islam rather than Christianity?
(Sorry, it’s off-topic, but it’s worth being asked, isn’t it?)

…Yeah, that is so off topic. grr. I wish you good luck Lapell. If you look really hard on the left side of your screen you will see my ‘Icon’ smashed into it.

Then again, you may wish to take my word for it.

 

[ToddM]

I long for the days when we were more worried about the Soviet threat than any other. Mutually assured distruction created a form of truce back then.

We traded security under pressure for insanity under pressure.

Guess that is what happens with pressure though.

 

[ToddM]

Differences of opinion do not imply confusion, and misunderstandings. It is to be expected–people have different cultural norms. The differences are part of the mercy of Islam.

Your truth? It may not imply confusion, but for it to not imply misunderstanding means someone is lying

 

[ToddM]

“Islamic Law” implies political Islam.

What you are assertin still isnt making sense so far. Can you quote scholars who say that marital injustice is a major sin?

Religion is culture … Islam is …?

 

[ToddM]

In a post directed at ralphinal, I explained the sources of Islamic law.

This is a basic principle in Islamic law, how “major sins” are defined.

Ahhh, there is that wonderful word again. Anyone else hear harps?

 

[ToddM]

I don’t understand the question–what “sets of ideas” are there?

Let me explain the process: if something is explicitly forbidden in the Qur’an–like eating pork, for example–then that is a ruling. If something is made mandatory (like daily prayer)–then that is a ruling. It’s only based on the Qur’an.

But sometimes there are questions not explicitly answered by the Qur’an, like yours. It’s not even explicitly addressed in ahadith. Why? Because it never came up, as far as I’m aware–such disgusting (indeed perverted) discussions aren’t things which typically come up in Islamic law.

But I can tell you already that your example violates other commands in Islam–which is what a woman needs to cover in front of other women, and that a husband cannot be intimate with one wife on the night of the other wife, and that it possibly involves homosexual behavior which is definitely forbidden.

Ask someone else.

There are protections for women in Islamic teachings.

Some things are–either right, or wrong, that is. Some things are gray. Sometimes there is ONE right answer. And sometimes there is a difference of opinion. That is called FLEXIBILITY!

The most common story on this topic is some Companions who Muhammad (s) told to go to a certain tribe (Banu Quraydhah), and he told them not to pray the afternoon (asr) prayer until they arrived. Well, that prayer has to be prayed before sunset. So sunset was approaching, what should they do? Should they (a) not pray until they got there, making the prayer late (past its time)? or (b) pray before they got there so that the prayer was in its time, but violating the other instruction which was to not pray it until the arrived. The Companions split into two groups–some prayed then (on time), and some prayed after arriving (late). The group that waited was taking the statement of Muhammad (s) literally, and the group that prayed before arriving took it metaphorically, meaning to hurry. Which group was correct?

It isn’t for laypeople–common Muslims–to decide what is too difficult. It is NOT too difficult to pray as ordered. If a person cannot stand, he can sit. If he cannot sit, he can lay down. Laypeople who say it is too difficult are what we call too attached to this world.

‘Some things are–either right, or wrong, that is. Some things are gray. Sometimes there is ONE right answer. And sometimes there is a difference of opinion. That is called FLEXIBILITY!’

Does God have opinions? Does God change? Is God moved?
Does God have a preference? Does God ever say “Eh, whatever?”

Does God submit to man? Should He?

We may not know what or who the truth is, we may not know what the perfect though, word, deed, or combination thereof is, but
does this mean…you follow?

If one is to submit to God, and to the will of God, then do we aim for perfect, or perfectly acceptable?

Are we to comform to the changable, to the flexible?

Do you hire a carpenter w/a rubber compass?

 

[R_not]

Who killed Christ? Are these the least of these? Why haven’t we stopped abortion?

Where do you draw the line?

The people who killed Christ are so dead that even their bones are dust.

And we can stop abortion being a political item - but it won’t stop it. It goes underground when it becomes illegal. If you teach your children how to behave - girls AND boys - this won’t be a problem.

As for drawing the line? I am not sure what you are talking about.

I draw the line when muslims want to shove their laws onto us. And that is what they are trying to do now. islam’s laws are not superior, as we have seen in so many countries. Polygamy is being discussed and telling the person that it is a disgusting proposition for any woman to demean herself and reduce herself to a woman without honor, and lowering herself to sloppy seconds - or thirds or fourths - under the guise of it being so grand while she breaks our laws in the name of a ‘religion’ is rather disgusting.

This is what political islam is all about. They know they cannot win militarily so they infiltrate, explode their population with immigration and with the ignorant ones like sister amy who will start being just a uterus for a male, and do what they have done in so many countries - all while they tell us how peaceful, how grand and how lalala everything is. It happens wherever they migrate to because we don’t get a handle on our laws and in the meantime they use our laws against us.

The MSU/MSA is in our higher education institutions and I would bet that is how sister amy got herself entangled with muslims under the guise of islam being peaceful. Their stated goal is to islamicize us - establish sharia law.

This is an older article, but in the scheme of things - not that old considering that this is still true.

frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=A4883334-B150-4E33-8602-942B118C6DD5

frontpagemag.com has a series of articles on the MSA and how it has infiltrated our schools.

It shows us how impressionable our young are if they fall for their hogwash. Of course they would fall for it - the true history is not being told - the violence the atrocities that muslims do because we are afraid of offending them. Heck we are not allowed to put their slaughter of the Armenians in the history books. Or how about the slaughters that go on this very day?! Africa, Southeast Asia, and even Eastern Europe, Lebanon, and the Israelis get daily bombs lobbed into their lands by hate filled muslims - just because a ‘religion’ tells them to hate.

 

[R_not]

No it doesn’t. Islamic Law (aka SHARI’AH) means just that–Islamic Law. It is comprehensive, including marriage law, acts of worship, transactions, family law, dealing with other people, inheritance… everything.

Here is the original quote that was responded to by sister amy:
Originally Posted by AgnosTheist
“Islamic Law” implies political Islam.

This is why it is rather futile to be discussing some of this with her. She doesn’t even have a clue that muslim dominated countries establish sharia law to run their governments. Even Iraq and Afghanistan did that - put sharia law into their constitutions. Basically, the governments are very concerned how muslims have sex, go to the bathroom, and all the other things that are mentioned in those laws.

She is in denial about how women are treated in these countries and I think she actually believes that all the facts are made up. All the ex-muslims have stated the problems and here she is telling us that it isn’t so.

 

[ToddM]

The people who killed Christ are so dead that even their bones are dust. On the one hand, didn’t he give his life, because and for sinners?

And we can stop abortion being a political item - but it won’t stop it. It goes underground when it becomes illegal. ***Are you saying it should be legal? ***If you teach your children how to behave - girls AND boys - this won’t be a problem.

As for drawing the line? I am not sure what you are talking about.

When does a beard start growing?

I draw the line when muslims want to shove their laws onto us. And that is what they are trying to do now. At the very least, a significant, and likely much greater portion, sureislam’s laws are not superior, ***If Islam is the prime authority, trying to ‘distance’ the extentions seems ‘silly’ ***as we have seen in so many countries. Polygamy is being discussed and telling the person that it is a disgusting proposition for any woman to demean herself and reduce herself to a woman without honor, and lowering herself to sloppy seconds - or thirds or fourths - under the guise of it being so grand while she breaks our laws in the name of a ‘religion’ is rather disgusting.

This is what political islam still don’t see the diferenceis all about. They know they cannot win militarilyyet, this is classic insurgent warfare, simple formula, complex execution so they infiltrate, explode their population with immigration Build up phase, combines with eroding language, borders, and culture, or at minimum taking advantage of sameand with the ignorant ones like sister amy who will start being just a uterus for a male, and do what they have done in so many countries - all while they tell us how peaceful, how grand and how lalala everything is. It happens wherever they migrate to because we don’t get a handle on our laws and in the meantime they use our laws against us.

The MSU/MSA is in our higher education institutions and I would bet that is how sister amy got herself entangled with muslims under the guise of islam being peaceful. Their stated goal is to islamicize us - establish sharia law. ***But is this every single person claiming Islam as their faith? We don’t want to be them, right? Then we must be very careful because we could be. Clear sight picture, calm down, get *reasonable ****ID. We could lose what little there is left of America by our moral choices. It is hellishly frustrating, and this is one area where I may know a bit more than most, or at least be a bit more up to date.

This is an older article, but in the scheme of things - not that old considering that this is still true.

frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=A4883334-B150-4E33-8602-942B118C6DD5

frontpagemag.com has a series of articles on the MSA and how it has infiltrated our schools.

It shows us how impressionable our young are if they fall for their hogwash. Of course they would fall for it - the true history is not being told - the violence the atrocities that muslims do because we are afraid of offending them. Heck we are not allowed to put their slaughter of the Armenians in the history books. Or how about the slaughters that go on this very day?! Africa, Southeast Asia, and even Eastern Europe, Lebanon, and the Israelis get daily bombs lobbed into their lands by hate filled muslims - just because a ‘religion’ tells them to hate.

If what you say is true, and the lions share seems to be, then what do we do with the alleged ignorant, future uteri? (is that a word? )

Line 'em up and shoot 'em? This is someone’s daughter.

We have no ‘national will’ or clarity. We have not clearly Identified the enemy, physically or otherwise, or worse, and I believe this last, we have identified the enemy, and are too scared of what this means.

I’m not that wise. I have no answer for that. I’d rather not kill people anymore, personally. I will, but I don’t have to like it.

I don’t want to shoot the Amy’s of the world, unless they are lying, and it is not reasonable to believe that everyone is a Muslim pod person.

If faith, prayer, faith, hope, Love, The Church, i.e. God doesn’t help us, we’re…done.

The best the military can do is buy time, it doesn’t, can’t, and shouldn’t be expected to really fix anything. If you do expect that then you are in for a world of hurt.

 

[ToddM]

Here is the original quote that was responded to by sister amy:
Originally Posted by AgnosTheist
“Islamic Law” implies political Islam.

This is why it is rather futile to be discussing some of this with her. She doesn’t even have a clue that muslim dominated countries establish sharia law to run their governments. Even Iraq and Afghanistan did that - put sharia law into their constitutions. Basically, the governments are very concerned how muslims have sex, go to the bathroom, and all the other things that are mentioned in those laws.

She is in denial about how women are treated in these countries and I think she actually believes that all the facts are made up. All the ex-muslims have stated the problems and here she is telling us that it isn’t so.

My parents were the dumbest people in the world. Luckily they got smarter when I got older.

This is all just future reference, so that one day someone remembers.

If we try to force and coerce her or anyone else to think a certain way, then the difference is only one of degree.

If we tell the truth disrespectfully, and someone else lies with honor, who is this allegedly young, impressionable person going to turn to?

Why would anyone listen to Charles Manson? This may not be fair
to the also alleged (true?) Islam, but it bears a remarkable resemblance to some of its likewise alleged followers.

“Charlie is love” “Charlie is peace” “Charlie is JC” “Die piggy”

This new influx and popularity of the ‘new, strange and exotic’
makes me think I’m in the sixties and seventies again.

I never listened, really listened, to anyone either. Like every other young person (who knows, maybe Amy just comes off that way) chime in any time SA., I had it all figured out. Now I’m better, older, this time I’m right, no really.

 

[R_not]

If what you say is true, and the lions share seems to be, then what do we do with the alleged ignorant, future uteri? (is that a word? )

Line 'em up and shoot 'em? This is someone’s daughter.

We have no ‘national will’ or clarity. We have not clearly Identified the enemy, physically or otherwise, or worse, and I believe this last, we have identified the enemy, and are too scared of what this means.

I’m not that wise. I have no answer for that. I’d rather not kill people anymore, personally. I will, but I don’t have to like it.

I don’t want to shoot the Amy’s of the world, unless they are lying, and it is not reasonable to believe that everyone is a Muslim pod person.

If faith, prayer, faith, hope, Love, The Church, i.e. God doesn’t help us, we’re…done.

The best the military can do is buy time, it doesn’t, can’t, and shouldn’t be expected to really fix anything. If you do expect that then you are in for a world of hurt.

You certainly said a mouthful!! I have posted that on other blogs that our country, or any country, have not defined the enemy. this is why the media, and the idiots, in our society define it for us - and usually they just point to those they don’t like while letting the muslims claim they are the victims.

Our lefties are enraged over gitmo so we let some go and well over 50 of them have been found back on the battle field. Our lefties are enraged over phone tapping - even when it is clearly not phone tapping our phones. Our lefties are enraged over us doing something about illegal aliens when the 3rd highest group slithering in are muslims (the 2nd highest are Chinese and the top group are the Mexicans). They want us to give people who have declared war/jihad against us a civil trial! I mean the list goes on with these jerks.

No one has to shoot anyone. Fight them with our laws. They use our laws against us - we can start using our laws to fight them. Just as they think the internet is a jihadist tool - we can do the same with the internet.

If you find your local school is ‘praying like a muslim’, or trying to segregate because muslims want separation (get all the ‘ammo’ of their koran to show them that they think we are dirty and that is totally against the law to segregate) then do something about that - get them out of our schools. If they want to pray to their moon god then let them keep that junk at home or in their mosques and get the teacher and principle fired.

We are trying to dig into this MSA right now - but the only thing I can say there is to make sure our children know about islam and how it comes across as peaceful, and will do anything to convert them, or at least make appeasers out of them while their goal is the same as the violent jihadists - to make sharia law the law of the land and that means that us infidels would have to either be subjugated or convert.

I don’t know all the answers. We let the left control our schools and our history has been sorely abused. We don’t learn our own history let alone the atrocities that muslims do worldwide, or else we wouldn’t read what we do from someone like sister amy denying all those atrocities.

 

[Booklover]

If what you say is true, and the lions share seems to be, then what do we do with the alleged ignorant, future uteri? (is that a word? )

Line 'em up and shoot 'em? This is someone’s daughter.

We have no ‘national will’ or clarity. We have not clearly Identified the enemy, physically or otherwise, or worse, and I believe this last, we have identified the enemy, and are too scared of what this means.

I’m not that wise. I have no answer for that. I’d rather not kill people anymore, personally. I will, but I don’t have to like it.

I don’t want to shoot the Amy’s of the world, unless they are lying, and it is not reasonable to believe that everyone is a Muslim pod person.

If faith, prayer, faith, hope, Love, The Church, i.e. God doesn’t help us, we’re…done.

The best the military can do is buy time, it doesn’t, can’t, and shouldn’t be expected to really fix anything. If you do expect that then you are in for a world of hurt.

Who said anything about shooting anyone? We are not barbarians. We would be no better than those whose beliefs state that killing infidels is okay.

What we need to do is to stop giving in to the incessant demands made by Muslims for accommodation of their religion, while its practices interfere with the rights and freedoms of others!

Vickie

 

[Booklover]

You certainly said a mouthful!! I have posted that on other blogs that our country, or any country, have not defined the enemy. this is why the media, and the idiots, in our society define it for us - and usually they just point to those they don’t like while letting the muslims claim they are the victims.

Our lefties are enraged over gitmo so we let some go and well over 50 of them have been found back on the battle field. Our lefties are enraged over phone tapping - even when it is clearly not phone tapping our phones. Our lefties are enraged over us doing something about illegal aliens when the 3rd highest group slithering in are muslims (the 2nd highest are Chinese and the top group are the Mexicans). They want us to give people who have declared war/jihad against us a civil trial! I mean the list goes on with these jerks.

No one has to shoot anyone. Fight them with our laws. They use our laws against us - we can start using our laws to fight them. Just as they think the internet is a jihadist tool - we can do the same with the internet.

If you find your local school is ‘praying like a muslim’, or trying to segregate because muslims want separation (get all the ‘ammo’ of their koran to show them that they think we are dirty and that is totally against the law to segregate) then do something about that - get them out of our schools. If they want to pray to their moon god then let them keep that junk at home or in their mosques and get the teacher and principle fired.

We are trying to dig into this MSA right now - but the only thing I can say there is to make sure our children know about islam and how it comes across as peaceful, and will do anything to convert them, or at least make appeasers out of them while their goal is the same as the violent jihadists - to make sharia law the law of the land and that means that us infidels would have to either be subjugated or convert.

I don’t know all the answers. We let the left control our schools and our history has been sorely abused. We don’t learn our own history let alone the atrocities that muslims do worldwide, or else we wouldn’t read what we do from someone like sister amy denying all those atrocities.

Since you mentioned Gitmo, here’s the latest from the mastermind of the 9/11 massacre Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. He wants the death penalty and stated:

“Yes, this is what I wish, to be a martyr for a long time,” Mohammed declared. “I will, God willing, have this, by you.”

Here’s the

I bet he can’t wait to get those 72 virgins! He planned the death of all those people and thinks he’s going to be rewarded for it. People like him make me want to puke.

Vickie

 

[planten]

Who said anything about shooting anyone? We are not barbarians. We would be no better than those whose beliefs state that killing infidels is okay.

What we need to do is to stop giving in to the incessant demands made by Muslims for accommodation of their religion, while its practices interfere with the rights and freedoms of others!

Vickie

**The Quran has given good rights to the Muslim women. It has given the right to property and inheritance. I wish there was anything about the honor of women in the bible. There will not be found anything on that subject. But there may only just be one sentence only, no more.

There is no comparison about the honor of women in Islam and honor of women in the bible. The bible accuses the women (all women of the world) for misleading Adam. The Quran does not do so. Is that not a great achievement for the ladies by the Quran. It absolves them of that bad stigma which the bible has attached tot he women and it is being carried till today as the original sin.

There is no such thing in Quran. **

 

[Lapell]

Here is the original quote that was responded to by sister amy:
Originally Posted by AgnosTheist
“Islamic Law” implies political Islam.

This is why it is rather futile to be discussing some of this with her. She doesn’t even have a clue that muslim dominated countries establish sharia law to run their governments. Even Iraq and Afghanistan did that - put sharia law into their constitutions. Basically, the governments are very concerned how muslims have sex, go to the bathroom, and all the other things that are mentioned in those laws.

She is in denial about how women are treated in these countries and I think she actually believes that all the facts are made up. All the ex-muslims have stated the problems and here she is telling us that it isn’t so.

Well, many consider the Torah to be Moses’ Law. Was it supposed to be a set of religious laws or of political laws or both?
At any rate, they were certainly given in order to have some incidence in the people’s lives, were they not?

 

[Lapell]

If we tell the truth disrespectfully, and someone else lies with honor, who is this allegedly young, impressionable person going to turn to?

Many sects have achieved some success for some time this way indeed!