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Grace, peace, and mercy to you (Great name. Cecilianus? Lots of African saints by that name in the early African Church (before it was nearly destroyed by the Donatists, and arians and such). Ya can’t get the Eucharist in a Protestant church.
Here’s the solution. We blacks had to fight long and hard for a culturally relevant liturgy. So for those that remain uncomfortable. DON’T COME. Italians should go to Italian heritage churches, Irish, to Irish heritage churches, and so on. I travel more than 50 miles just to go to a Church that speaks to my heritage (and before I found it some 30years ago, I was about to jump totally Orthodox (Ethiopian Tewedo(sp?). The one Holy Catholic (universal) and apostolic Church is the CHURCH OF MANY TRIBES. Yeshua set it up that way (I am the vine, you are the BRANCHES).
Too many of us in the US (and Caribbean, mind you) marched and picketed just to get a culturally relevant liturgy. Oh by the way to Bro TrueLight. Don’t know if I made it clear, but it is NOT BLACK AMERICAN rite/liturgy. In the National Black Catholic Congresses, we have representatives from Africa, the Caribbean, South America, and Canada, as well as the United States. So our liturgies would b e Canadian American, Caribbean American etc. Better, Black Catholic (which encompasses the whole world of the African Diaspora (those ancestors kidnapped). Here’s some more representative links, if not previously posted: youtube.com/watch?v=Siz1eJMg9PY&feature=related
and part of easter mass from Malawi :youtube.com/watch?v=bUeZJQq47pM&feature=related
and Zambia worship: youtube.com/watch?v=v8uDn4xQ9ec&feature=related
And oh, our new Archbishop Gomez visited the Church and participated in our liturgy, “nary a discouraging word” was said, during or afterward (except that he too, was a Knight of St. Peter Claver (established when Blacks couldn’t get into the Knights of Columbus).
Pax Christi
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re: CELL PHONES,
One of our priests said inone such situation of cell interruption, “THAT BETTER BE JESUS CALLING!” There’s an announcement in our Church near the beginning of mass to turn off all cell phones and pagers. PAX CHRISTI
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TrueLight
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So those links are to masses on the African continent. I’d love to see a Black Catholic mass in the US involving African Americans.
And I’m a sis, by the way.
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BlackCatholics
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*Wait a minute, True Light You’re sister??? then we shouldn’t be having…wel…come visit us here for further elucidation and understandingSo those links are to masses on the African continent. I’d love to see a Black Catholic mass in the US involving African Americans.
And I’m a sis, by the way.
www.nbccongress.org
or mine
www. BLACK CATHOLICS AFRICAN GENESIS
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twitter.com/#!/blackcatholics
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BLACK CATHOLIC BLACK COPTICS
facebook.com/pages/Black-Saints-Black-Coptic-and-Orthodox-Catholics/174547052583220
The Entire African Diaspora Church is once again growing back together.
(don’t know if you know it, but at one time the Ancient African church had nearly more bishops than all Europe combined. when the barbarians got into the European church, they attempted to send delegates from rome to African councils. The African church politely but firmly told the Romans to sit down and shut up, they had apostolic succession as well. At the time, it was understood (by the africans) that Cephas’ first among equals dealt with administrative matters. Sadly the Arians, Donatists, and others all but destroyed the early African Church in around the 400s A.D., which is slowly rising again.
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Grace peace and mercy to you. Same difference: But looking for those links (I might have to upload a couple of St. brigid masses, though). By the way at our church are Garifuna Black Catholics (Caribbean), Ghana Black Catholics, Nigerian Black Catholics (by way of reference, not limitation).
Our Co–pastor is a Nigerian Priest, as one of our brothers and deacons before both went off to Baltimore to be ordained, or finish schooling as the case may be. (This is now typical in SVD (Society of the Divine Word) and Josephite Churches (Society of St. Joseph), which orders minister to Black Catholics.
I strive to break folks outta thinking this is a *Black American * Catholics situation–it is a Pan African situation where we in the Black Catholic church seek to go back to our roots, (Reference the dance in Malawi and Zambia, ethnographically congruent with that which is ongoing in the US and Caribbean)-- the Church of St. Augustine (who danced in the church), of St. Cyprian of Carthage, of St. Clement of Alexandria (and remember, there was no North Africa ON ANCIENT ROMAN GREEK, OR EVEN OTTOMAN TURK MAPS, A RACIST CONCEPT).
I THINK ONE POSTED A LITURGICAL DANCE FROM ST. SABINA (of whom our former co-pastor, Fr. Fernando used to be a priest there).
Here’s one from St. brigid youtube.com/watch?v=8m11x3OKcSc
St. Brigid Liturgical Easter Dance
Note, many of the parishioners besides the Africans aforementioned are from Louisiana, hence some of their outfits and costumes reflect that. but notice the Afrocentric statue decorations. As is our Nigerian crucifix (when not covered for Easter celebrations)http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nBmqEkbGRLk/ThXffa-FlVI/AAAAAAAAB4g/YsqwSQ4waaw/s320/Nigerian+Crucifix.jpg
and again, with due repsct, those who are not comfortable with such a liturgy should go to their own churches, as many at St. Brigid and in Washington, and Theresa of Avila, travel miles just to be fed spiritually and culturally relevant. (I sometimes have to do the daily 20 minute ,30 minute mass during the week, and can’t wait till Sunday comes along when I can get back to my own church).
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By the way, without editing, just uploaded part of the Father’s Day tribute at St. Brigid, Los Angeles, by the St. Brigid Drum Ministry. Nigerian priest Fr. Kenneth Keke SSJ, celebrant.
youtube.com/watch?v=o17NLS4dqVc
Still searching for the ***Speaking Drums ***entrance antiphon,processional, and may have to upload that. Unedited, though. Reference these with the Malawi and Zambia and other African practices to see the similarity.
Pax Christi
youtube.com/watch?v=o17NLS4dqVc
Still searching for the ***Speaking Drums ***entrance antiphon,processional, and may have to upload that. Unedited, though. Reference these with the Malawi and Zambia and other African practices to see the similarity.
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Wait a minute, True Light You’re sister??? then we shouldn’t be having…wel…come visit us here for further elucidation and understanding
www.nbccongress.org
or mine
Yes.
So when I first started becoming interested in Catholicism (hard to believe it has only been 4 months), I read about the Tridentine Latin Mass. Within two weeks, I attended my first.
The TLM spoke to my soul. It was so different from anything I had known. I was blown away by the reverence.
Of course I have been at Protestant services that had litugical dance, gospel choirs etc In fact, just last year I recently participated in a Gospel choir competition, which you are probably aware of, and our choir won the regionals. I also sing in a more classical choir, and am also used to more quiet, what might be termed, European styles of worship.
So I do appreciate the style you posted for some people.
But as for me, I will take the EF anytime.
Thanks for the links. I’ll check them out.
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The Orthodox have had a lot of success in cleaning up crime-ridden inner city areas by converting people to Christianity under the umbrella of the Coptic heritage. I once walked into a Coptic Orthodox parish, St. Mary of Egypt in Kansas City (in communion with Constantinople - though the African-American majority in the parish identified themselves as Copts, I think they are in the Serbian Orthodox jurisdiction) to buy a new chotki. I have never seen a community in which the sense of holiness was so overwhelming when you walk into the church.
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Yes.
So when I first started becoming interested in Catholicism … Within two weeks, I attended my first.
The TLM spoke to my soul.
GRACE,PEACE, AND MERCY TO YOU TRUELIGHT.
two more links (from St. Brigid)
ST BRIGID FATHER DAY CELEBRATION.AVI
youtube.com/watch?v=o17NLS4dqVc&feature=related
St. Brigid trinity homily
youtube.com/watch?v=H2tgBPSrqYI
If you prefer the more quiet liturgy(way of worship), older Churches (if in the Black Catholic rite/tradition) that are more quiet ( with the older folks in attendance).
If ever in Los Angeles, do atten the Cathedral of Our Lady. there noon masses usually features classical music from the Catholic tradition, with even organ accompaniment.
Also please google: Holy Angels Church in Chicago…webmaster there put together an extensive history of Blacks in the Church from the African Diaspora. holyangels.com/
And Pssssstttt. Christianity came out of Africa, not to it.
Our Lord grew up there until six or seven years of age until “Herod was no more”. (See Hosea 11 :1, Matt: 2-13-15).
Also if you wish later to know about the struggle we had to get our own liturgy (albeit the Tridentine mass is beautiful, especially the HIGH MASS–former altar boy here, some 55 years back)…you can get a copy of Fr. Cyprian Davis’ book, it is on Amazon. Also the Black Bishops’ letter, pastoral What We Have Seen And Heard, which you might find free (try going through the nbccongress.org/ site) Here’s some background that is slowly being addressed: usccb.org/scdc/10-049-English_electronic.pdf. http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1039293683525&id=d1a25ffd0c9fd753cfae7104e879ddd9&url=http%3A%2F%2Fi1.trekearth.com%2Fphotos%2F40067%2Fb_dscf6992.jpg
If you can, see if you can make the National Black Catholic Congress XI in Indianapolis, July 19-22, 2012 (started in the 1800s, every four or five years or so. Black Catholics from Africa, the Caribbean, Europe, and the Americas including Canada. It is glorious.(And they set a contemplativeprayer/meditation chapel to Our Lady, Mama Maryam which is extremely quiet, reflective, medittive (But then you can do the same thing with visits to the Blessed Sacrament since few people now go–BUT WE SHOULD).You would be surprised at the graces attained, and how Our Lord Yeshua will speak to your soul.
Lastly, while to me the article is a bit racist (it ws first published around 1913, so you have to read with that mindset and filter, read about the Early African Church, the African Church (ancient) in the Catholic Encyclopedia. http://ts4.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1050782078907&id=1d3121c601ca3925b88939bf7d2d7f5e&url=http%3A%2F%2Fimage22.webshots.com%2F23%2F2%2F76%2F12%2F355327612SsEqSD_ph.jpg
Be surprised that we have been in the Church all the time (even before time if you count the African Essenes and Theraputae movement (And if you want the 700s graduate course, Socratic: where did Moses/Musa/Moshe and Aaron get the rituals for the Worship of Yahweh (since Moses which is Kemetian (Egyptian for the Eurocentric) for “Son of”–After all, Moses did grow up in Pharaoh’s house (and shortly before by a few centuries, and Pharaoh came up with the idea “There is one God”-- Akhenaton.t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTA6JGvYytVnnE9CW6ZoX3QRKaHIsSSmd6OwKanrrT2v0l2YwWx1g
(Oh by the way, if you visit the Jewish encyclopedia under KENITES, you will see it was an african tribe that taught Moses the Name of God (El?"), things that make you go Hmmmmmmmmmm!!!
And four apostles including Cephas (Peter) went to Africa before establishing churches elsewhere(Cephas set a church in Babylon Kemet, a fortress town on the border, before going to Antioch), including Matthias, Matthew (google: apostle to the Ethiopians-for musing insight), Phillip (see acts and his encounter with the Ethiopian finance minister of Queen Candace, and Jude Thaddeus Lebbeus-google: King Abgar the Black tradition (ignore the Yemen stuff, but if you must --Yemen and Africa were once connected land masses).
Just tying this all into GOD KNEW YOU BEFORE THE YOU WERE IN THE WOMB, AND HE CALLED YOU! (As all the APOSTLES WERE S0-CALLED CONVERTS). It is not by accident you came to the Church, as many descendants of the African Diaspora are returning.
Pax Christi (which means Peace of Christ be with you. 2.bp.blogspot.com/-nBmqEkbGRLk/ThXffa-FlVI/AAAAAAAAB4g/YsqwSQ4waaw/s320/Nigerian%2BCrucifix.jpgBy the way, it was an African chief Priest/Patriarch of the West (aka Pope) St. Victor I who decreed that Latin was gonna be the church language in the west. (Note that in our one holy Catholic (means universal) and apostolic church, there were five pillars (some say four) Jerusalem--but the Romans soon kicked everyone out), **Alexandria, Africa (Mark was African, born there), Antioch **(many soon left that city and fled to Damascus), Rome, and finally, Constantinople.Carthage was an important adjunct before Connnie )Constantine the Great) moved to Constantinople. (One of the first modern canons(lists of books) of the bible came out of Carthage, Africa, as well as two Africans set lists which appear to be our bible today, St. Athanasius and St. Augustine. Our Jewish brethren even set their(Old Testament) list while in Africa after they were kicked out, around 130s A.D., or so, plus or minus a few years) (read And remember there is no NORTH AFRICA on any ancient Greek, Roman, nor even Ottoman Turk maps. But don’t tell nobody,t hat’s just between we of the Diaspora.
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I will definitely check out your links. Seems very interesting.
Please don’t be offended, but this seems like a cross between Hebrew Israelites, Kemetic Orthodox Faith and Catholicism.
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Grace, peace, and mercy to you. How can I be offended? Yeshua was Jewish, so there is the Hebrew (more specifically HABIRU (the name of the tribe) link. Moshe was Jewish. and there is a rubric that Christians are reformed Jews–UNTIL WE WERE KICKED OUT OF THE SYNAGOGUE (read the book Acts carefully).
As to Orthodox, we are brethren. Remember St. Paul and St. Peter(Cephas) ministered in Antioch (the root of the Orthodox faith) before they went to Rome. St. Paul was onward to Damascus when Yeshua spoke to him (also one of the roots of Orthodoxy).
It was one Church until on or about 1054 when the East and West EXCOMMUNICATED EACH OTHER. (It was going to happen in the late 400s but was avoided.
So Orthodox and he Latin Rite ARE REALLY SISTER CHURCHES with apostolic succesions. BOTH recite the Creed (Nicene where the word “Catholic” means universal.
There is more to the Way (what ancient Christianity was called) than most folks know, unless they take time to study it. Get to know St. Augustine, St. Athanasius, and St. Cyprian of Carthage, and St. Clement of Alexandria, and the Desert Fathers and Mothers, and the patristic, and see what a marvelous heritage Yeshua’s church–THE CHURCH OF MANY TRIBES–entails.
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The “Kemetic Orthodox” are not a group of the Orthodox Christians in the historical sense of the term; it’s a made-up internet religion that claims to be a revival of ancient Egyptian paganism and is touted as a black heritage religion. It has no connection with Christianity much less Orthodox Christianity, and also little fidelity to actual Egyptian paganism (as I am informed by one of my closest friends, an academic whose field is Egyptian religion and magic).
Some tiny African-American Protestant communities within the Pentecostal sphere have adopted a lot of the ritual practices of the Jews and the Hebrew self-identity, but I don’t know where this comes from and I’ve never seen it within the Catholic Church before or why African-Americans would feel any particular affiliation with the Hebrew language or forms of names.
Some tiny African-American Protestant communities within the Pentecostal sphere have adopted a lot of the ritual practices of the Jews and the Hebrew self-identity, but I don’t know where this comes from and I’ve never seen it within the Catholic Church before or why African-Americans would feel any particular affiliation with the Hebrew language or forms of names.
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