Hostility from Jehovah's witnesses

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ishii said:
I think what the JW’s do is worse than hostility: it is their sneakiness in trying to get new converts. They came to my house to “visit” my wife under false pretenses. When they got to our house they started the visit as a normal one - just small talk. Then they shifted gears and according to my wife totally changed their demeanor, it was uncanny and very strange. I would be very careful in inviting them into a house for discussion. They are not after the truth, but for more conversions to their cult.

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Example #1 A former co-worker went to Iraq during Desert Storm '91. He came back to find that they had sucked his lonely and anxious wife into their clutches. She’s still there, unfortunately.

Example #2 A few of us CAF members have an email group in which we discuss apologetics. A new CAF member interacted with one of them and was invited into the group. BAM! Mysterious emails came from this new member, who was using a pseudonym. He asked about scripture reading and offered a “bible study”. I did a little investigation and, yup, a JW had infiltrated. The ban hammer dropped on him.

I left him stumbling to answer about the numerous failed prophecies of BlotchTower.
 
i have had a few neighbors who were JW. the first couple had been Catholics. the wife became a JW first and when her husband got cancer she said they would pray to Jehovah and if he recovered, he would become a JW. he did survive cancer and so he, also, became a JW. they sold their house to another JW couple. they were all very nice people. both couples were African-American and had good family values and were very decent people. they didn’t mix very much with the neighbors though. and they do spend a lot of time studying their Bible. i think JW along with Mormonism are two of the fastest growing religions around the world. i never felt any hostility from either of the JW couples who lived near me though.
 
Georgia said:
I’ve heard that the JW organization declared the 144,000 had been reached, so there are no longer any chances of making it into the heavenly class. If that is true, many of the congregations would have no one taking the elements of the memorial they observe around Easter. That number would shrink every year as the remaining 144,000 die out.

Does anyone know I have heard correctly?
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I don’t think anyone knows because they keep changing their beliefs/rules or whatever they call them. It just boggles the mind.
 
Bezant said:
But I respect that they stick to their principles…
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Not all of them. I know of one JW who when this person thinks the JW community will not notice this person doesn’t observe all JW practices. Said person celebrates birthdays including their own, celebrates Christmas, and consumes alcohol to a state of drunkenness. Same person behaves differently outside their immediate family setting, e.g. the other year when this person nearly died from cancer and required, but refused, a blood transfusion.
 
Matthew_Holford said:
Not all of them. I know of one JW who when this person thinks the JW community will not notice this person doesn’t observe all JW practices. Said person celebrates birthdays including their own, celebrates Christmas, and consumes alcohol to a state of drunkenness. Same person behaves differently outside their immediate family setting, e.g. the other year when this person nearly died from cancer and required, but refused, a blood transfusion.
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I thought blood transfusions were ok now in JWdom?
 
As a former JW, I can attest that this website (see link below) is the single best resource out there to show the JW’s doctrines from the beginning and how it has developed over the years.

jwfacts.com/

As a former JW, since I know how JW’s think, everything boils down to one and only one thing. Who has the authority bestowed upon them by Jesus Christ. This is the question that they cannot/will not answer. Always, and I mean always, when discussing religion with JW’s, make them answer where they receive authority and how do they know they can trace themselves back to the Apostles. Ask them where the “faithful and wise servant” mentioned in Matthew 24:45 was before Charles Taze Russell, the founder of their religion. Since they cannot answer this, well, you know where to go from there. This issue is KEY before any discussion can have any hope of developing. Do not get sidetracked by them redirecting the discussion to the Trinity, the Papacy, Mary, the immortality of the soul, etc, etc. Make them stick to the subject. Their own relgions publications paint them into a corner on this issue:

The Watchtower makes the claim that:

“Beginning with Pentecost, 33 C.E., and continuing through the 19 centuries since then, this slavelike congregation has been feeding its members spiritually.” Watchtower 1981 Mar 1 p.24

They contend that they are this “faithful and discreet slave”. They define their teaching authority, what they call their governing body, as this slave. And they claim it has been feeding other JW’s (or what they would call, “lovers of truth”) for 2000 years. Put the onus on them to prove it to you. Then I would ask them how about the bible and how we got it, tying that in with the question of authority.

Pray for them. They are seriously misguided people that have a genuine love for God.
 
GEddie said:
I thought blood transfusions were ok now in JWdom?
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i thought my JW neighbor mentioned once that she donated ahead of a schedule surgery her own blood that could be used for a transfusion if there needed to be one.
 
GEddie said:
I thought blood transfusions were ok now in JWdom?
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No, they’re still banned. My mother’s gardener and his wife are both JWs. His wife recently had a major gynaecological problem, she nearly died, her haemoglobin dropped to about four (in females it should be about 11+). She was offered but refused a blood transfusion.

In answer to this thread itself: they’re both very nice people. They’re not hostile to my mother in anyway and they know she’s Catholic. They don’t try to proselytize her.
 
There must be tolerance through love in Relgious Freedom.

“Where love exists, it works great things. But when it ceases to act, it ceases to exist.” Saint Gregory the Great
 
T_More said:
Then I would ask them how about the bible and how we got it, tying that in with the question of authority.
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I asked them that very question, specifically about the canon, the last time they dropped by. They told me the Bible was put together by “people just like us.” So I asked them who these people were and when they lived. They were stumped.

And they haven’t been back since.
 
eo_chibears said:
Ok thanks. I actually clarified the point about Hell with the person who told me that. He works in the office next to me. He told me, “There is no way Iam going to Heaven with my current beliefs”
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Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that they can not hope to go to Heaven because they think that only 144,000 will be admitted into Heaven and they have already met that #. This belief is based on a partially literal interpretation of a passage in Revelations; however, if they took that entire passage literally they would have to believe that it is only 144,000 Jewish Men. Other parts of the book of Revelation shows they’re belief in this to be mistaken.

The only hope of Jehovah’s Witnesses is to live on earth for all eternity.

Hell to Jehovah’s Witnesses is very different than the rest of the majority of Christianity. The Jehovah’s Witnesses belief that Hell is a fire which burns to death, ash & dust anyone who goes there. They say that Hell will only last a couple of minutes and then the people there no longer exist.

The reason that many Jehovah’s Witnesses are so anti-Catholic is that in every issue of Watchtower and Awake there is always some attack, large or small, on the Catholic Church or Catholic Dogma or Catholic Doctrine. Jehovah’s Witnesses are required to read those magazines completely and after hearing that over and over again it makes them biased against the Catholic Church.

Some Jehovah’s Witnesses are cranky, unhappy or down right mean because they are so tired all the time. They are required to attend hours and hours of Meetings each week at their Kingdom Hall in addition to like 20 to 40 or more hours a week going door to door. During the door to door, many people yell at them or slam doors in their faces so they tend to get a rough edge about them being repeatedly exposed to that plus their sleep deprivation.

The best thing you can do is show them real kindess and love. Each time you see them, show them by example that Catholics are evil like the Watchtower makes us out to be.
 
eo_chibears said:
I don’t know many Jehovah’s witnesses. I do work with three of them and they seem to have a lot of anger and hostility toward the Catholic Church. One of them asked me, “How can you believe in a religion that was started by a Roman Emperor?” Or that, “You are definitley going to hell.” Obviously I don’t know much about their faith. I also am not here to make fun of them. It’s hard to get a feel for there beliefs from 3 people. Have other people experienced this kind of theatment from them? God Bless
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I would not worry to much about the JW’s. Most JW’s I encounter are clueless about Christian History. I once had a JW couple tell me Constantine started the Catholic Church. So I replied:

Really? I’ll tell you what, bring me next week the historical evidence Constantine founded a Church and the people who wrote about joining his church. If you are correct,I’ll become a JW next week. Deal?

Strangely I never saw them again…ever! :cool:
 
Nicea325 said:
I would not worry to much about the JW’s. Most JW’s I encounter are clueless about Christian History. I once had a JW couple tell me Constantine started the Catholic Church. So I replied:

Really? I’ll tell you what, bring me next week the historical evidence Constantine founded a Church and the people who wrote about joining his church. If you are correct,I’ll become a JW next week. Deal?

Strangely I never saw them again…ever! :cool:
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Yeah we got out the bible and I showed them exactly where it proves that Christ started the Church. They told me my interpretation was skewed and started in again on how the Catholic faith brain washes people.
 
eo_chibears said:
Yeah we got out the bible and I showed them exactly where it proves that Christ started the Church. They told me my interpretation was skewed and started in again on how the Catholic faith brain washes people.
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:ballspin:

I have this stumper which I tried on a few of them. I asked them to prove to me, by citing the chapter and verse, of where Mark claimed authorship of the Gospel of Mark? And after finding this chapter and verse, to tell my why they believe Mark actually authored the Gospel of Mark and why they believe it should be in the Bible and why it should be considered “Scripture” or inspired?

Then, let us see who is also “brain washed”?😃
 
pablope said:
:ballspin:

I have this stumper which I tried on a few of them. I asked them to prove to me, by citing the chapter and verse, of where Mark claimed authorship of the Gospel of Mark? And after finding this chapter and verse, to tell my why they believe Mark actually authored the Gospel of Mark and why they believe it should be in the Bible and why it should be considered “Scripture” or inspired?

Then, let us see who is also “brain washed”?😃
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Great points. They also kept bringing up Jesus as Michael the archangel. All of this has been in an attempt to get me to go to a Bible study with them.
 
Simply put, the JWs place their entire faith upon the personal opinion of one man: their founder, Charles Taze Russell. He claimed to have received no vision and no revelation. He had no authority whatever to interpret scriptural prophecy - which is prophibited by Saint Peter (2 Peter 1:20). Russell was a charismatic man whose style of argument was clearly persuasive. Once he passed, they relied more on persistence than on persuasion.

Ask them if it was by the Holy Spirit that Russell and followers made their false prophecies (insert sound of crickets chirping).

Theirs is a house of cards.
 
eo_chibears said:
Yeah we got out the bible and I showed them exactly where it proves that Christ started the Church. They told me my interpretation was skewed and started in again on how the Catholic faith brain washes people.
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The CC brain washes people? Please! What empirical evidence do they have to support such a charge? Ask them to back up their claims. I can assure you their claims and support will be based on lies,distortions and perversions;thus you will clearly see who has been brain washed…:tiphat:
 
Nicea325 said:
And in everday life it is called nonsense! :whacky:
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But, the spirit that motivates the JWs is alive and well. When the JWs fail, it seeks another path to believers. It is always at work, but has manifested itself in a palpable way amongst Catholics just recently. Time to read Ephesians 6:10-20 once again.
 
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