How are "Traditionalists" viewed within the church?

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paramedicgirl said:
I know one person here who makes that claim repeatedly. Does that mean, as rtconstant suggests, that “when you state that you walk away from receiving Our Lord and say that you are “spiritually empty” simply because you didn’t receive Him in the Mass of personal preference. It can start look like pride.”

You see, rt, it works both ways.
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EXACTLY!

Glad to see you understand where the rest of us are coming from now.
 
paramedicgirl said:
Did I say I went up to receive Communion??? That’s very presumptuous of you. It’s all the innovations and distractions that leave me feeling like I’m in danger of losing my faith, just for the record.
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No it isn’t actually presumptous at all. Still if you didn’t you didn’t that is your business so I won’t butt in there. You were at least in His presense which would seem to invoke some awe. Still if that’s how you that’s how you feel, that’s how you feel. 😦
 
I agree that each Mass is celebrated differently and that it should not matter as long as the main purpose and goal of each Mass is to celebrate with Father,Son and Holy Spirit. We are there to honor and Praise Jesus and we need to get back to the understanding of this and quit splitting hairs.👍 👍
 
paramedicgirl said:
It isn’t pride to prefer the TLM over the NO, or vice versa. I find myself spiritually empty after attending the NO Mass, and because I feel that places me in real danger of losing my faith altogether, I make a day trip that takes twelve hours, once a month, to attend the FSSP TLM. I come away from there feeling much different than I do from the NO experience. I don’t think that you or others are suffering from pride when you say you prefer the NO Mass, and I take it as an insult that I get accused of pride for prefering the TLM.
There, was that cranky enough for you?:rolleyes:
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You described my feelings well. I went to my home parish for morning Mass today (first friday) and I felt empty. Try as I might there seems to me that something is missing. The Our Father was rushed and I had to rush to keep up, It saddens me to feel this way. I am going to try to do more in the parish and se if that helps.
 
paramedicgirl said:
The only NO Mass I know is one where people talk incessantly before (sometimes during) and after Mass. People rush around the church socializing so it makes a prayer atmosphere impossible. They clap for the choir. They clap to the music. I’ve even heard them clap for the homily a few times. And speaking of music, some of the songs they play don’t belong in a Church.

Soft, general homilies, that are non-offensive and do nothing to instruct us in deepening our faith or correcting our errors are commonplace. At the sign of peace there is so much movement about the church that it makes me dizzy. People mimic the priest when he prays in the orans position during the Our Father. All of this distracts me to the point where I can’t pray the Mass, and for the spiritual well being of my soul, I have come to prefer the TLM. If you want to accuse me of pride, so be it. It’s my salvation that I’m trying to protect, and attending the NO Mass is endangering my faith.
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This is my experience with the NO also.
 
rtconstant said:
No it isn’t actually presumptous at all. Still if you didn’t you didn’t that is your business so I won’t butt in there. You were at least in His presense which would seem to invoke some awe. Still if that’s how you that’s how you feel, that’s how you feel. 😦
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Yes, it always invokes awe. Awe that should be honoured with reverent silence and prayerful mediation. Awe that is way too short lived because of all the distractions, noise and interruptions that occur. Hence, the feeling of going away empty.

Sorry you don’t understand how this can affect someone’s faith in a negative way, rt. I’m giving up trying to explain it to you.
 
paramedicgirl said:
It isn’t pride to prefer the TLM over the NO, or vice versa. I find myself spiritually empty after attending the NO Mass, and because I feel that places me in real danger of losing my faith altogether, I make a day trip that takes twelve hours, once a month, to attend the FSSP TLM. I come away from there feeling much different than I do from the NO experience. I don’t think that you or others are suffering from pride when you say you prefer the NO Mass, and I take it as an insult that I get accused of pride for preferring the TLM.
There, was that cranky enough for you?:rolleyes:
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By pride I mean in any situation IMHO God has put us there. We need to remember he is in control of things. We put our feelings ahead of his will. I feel that is pride. Human pride. I respect your right to disagree with my meaning. I am sorry the NO leaves you feeling empty. My church doesn’t have a Mass with distractions like you have witnessed. Maybe it is the Holy Spirit telling us all that we are forgetting the reason of why we are there and are focusing to much on the Mass. I hope that makes some sense to somebody. I am not here to Trad bash and assurredly not to insult any person. I am not accusing anybody of anything. If you choose to be insulted I am sorry. As stated above it is only my opinion. Please don’t let it insult you, I didn’t mean it that way and I ask for your forgiveness if I have truely insulted you.
**And yes that was cranky enough!😛 **
 
I’m going to go back to the OP, which asked “How are traditionalists viewed within the church?”

I’m a convert from evangelical Protestantism. During the Catholic apologetics class that I attended, the very wise teacher (female) said something that stuck with me.

“The Catholic Church has a very big umbrella, and it covers all kinds of Catholics.”

I thought that was really cool.

Please don’t bash me. I’ll be honest and say that I received a rather poor impression of traditionalists when I first met them. (We have the TLM in our city on a daily basis.) They seemed very separatist and other-worldly. I got the feeling that they thought they were holier-than-me. No real concrete evidence, just an uncomfortable feeling on my part, probably worthless.

But I have never gotten the impression that the traditionalists are looked down upon or ostracized by other Catholics in our city.

I’ve always gotten the impression that most Catholics are very happy to get along and cooperate with all the other Catholics.

Indeed, in our city, there is a lot of cooperation between the Catholic parishes and several of the large Protestants churches (prayer meetings, charitable efforts, rescue mission donations, and best of all, the Pregnancy Life Care Center, which is staffed by volunteers from both Catholic and Protestant churches).

So in answer to your question, I’d say that most Catholics view traditionalists as fellow Catholics, brothers and sisters in Christ, on their way to heaven!
 
jstreets said:
Sucks for all those doing the bashing… a majority of seminarians, at least in my diocese favor tradition rather than progessive thinking.
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I absolutely agree!!!

Pax

Laudater Jesus Christo

Instaurare omnia in Christo
 
As if you have enough seminarians to make such a comment.
Oh yeah, you don’t WANT seminarians…cramps the whole lay priesthood obsession you have…
 
Where I live it’s an hour and a half drive to the nearest TLM Mass. I would have to pass about ten churches to get there, so I rarely go. I admire those that go week in week out. There are different rites in the church and all deserve respect. As I have said in other posts the New Mass is more open to abuse and to much depends on which priest is celebrating, from our almost Protestant PP to our prayerful curate. What I’m trying to say is that you should go where you feel most comfortable, where you think the liturgy is celebrated in accordance with the Church’s teaching and not the priests own interpretation of it.
 
PaixGioiaAmor said:
Probably the ones in there for the wrong reasons to begin with.
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Just curious. What would the wrong reasons be in your mind? It appears your reply is in response to this quote from earlier in the thread:
a majority of seminarians, at least in my diocese favor tradition rather than progessive thinking.
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Are you saying that seminarians who seek tradition are in it for the wrong reasons?
 
In response to the original Title, I’ve allways felt a special freindship toward all Catholics, even people from eastern, or orthodox Traditions. I’ve allways been more eager to trust, or confide, or whatever. Having said that, I’ve been burnt by this sense of “kinship”. We are all sinners, and we have “wolves in sheeps” clothing next to us, we have people with gready capitalistic reasons to be members of the Church.
I love all expressions being Truely Catholic, providing they are in union with the Magisterium.
 
AlexV said:
As if you have enough seminarians to make such a comment.
Oh yeah, you don’t WANT seminarians…cramps the whole lay priesthood obsession you have…
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Want to back that up? Or will you continue to make wild accusations and stupid statements as though you know me and have any real idea what I’m thinking?
 
paramedicgirl said:
Just curious. What would the wrong reasons be in your mind? It appears your reply is in response to this quote from earlier in the thread:

Are you saying that seminarians who seek tradition are in it for the wrong reasons?
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Many (not all) seminarians who are described as “conservative, traditional” are absolutely IN LOVE with the idea of walking around in a collar, being in authority and looked upon with favor, and are overly impressed with who they think they will be.

These are the types that cling to things like the latin mass because the idea of going back to something like that seems cool to them. They have never even been to a latin mass, but they like the idea - probably because of the way people absolutely fell all over themselves for priests in those days.

It’s not hard really; not everyone who wants to put on a police or fire uniform does so because they really want to serve and protect.
Similarly, not everyone who wants to put on a collar is doing it for the right reasons either.
 
PaixGioiaAmor said:
Many (not all) seminarians who are described as “conservative, traditional” are absolutely IN LOVE with the idea of walking around in a collar, being in authority and looked upon with favor, and are overly impressed with who they think they will be.

These are the types that cling to things like the latin mass because the idea of going back to something like that seems cool to them. They have never even been to a latin mass, but they like the idea - probably because of the way people absolutely fell all over themselves for priests in those days.

It’s not hard really; not everyone who wants to put on a police or fire uniform does so because they really want to serve and protect.
Similarly, not everyone who wants to put on a collar is doing it for the right reasons either.
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That is incredibly uncharitable. What are you basing this on? :mad:
 
These are the types that cling to things like the latin mass because the idea of going back to something like that seems cool to them. They have never even been to a latin mass, but they like the idea - probably because of the way people absolutely fell all over themselves for priests in those days.

Well, I’m good friends with three seminarians. One FSSP, two diocesan, one in Rome, one Josephinum. They, in turn, have many good friends who are seminarians whose attitudes they are privy to. So, that’s a pretty large sample. And, in that group, your analysis does not apply at all. Especially since so many of them attend the TLM often and are involved in learning the rite themselves.

Where’s that ignore button again? It’s proving indispensible…
 
PaixGioiaAmor said:
Ancedotal experience.

As I said, CLEARLY, “not all”. Heck, I didn’t even say “most.”
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No…you said “many.” Since it’s anecdotal, I’m assuming you have met many…how many? And how did you assess their ulterior motives?
 
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