Tukfryer, you should heed the warnings. Jesus set up the Catholic church for a reason. If you know that the Catholic church is necessary for salvation and you stay outside it, you are simply stating that you don’t care what the Savior said. You will be held responsibile for that decision.
Peter, renamed the rock by Christ, keeper of the keys, given the authority to bind and loose on earth, learned directly from Christ, and as a rock, he was a stable person. He wrote the following.
Everytime you see Church in the above, replace it with “body of Christ”.
"I, _____, now in the presence of Almighty God, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the blessed Michael and Archangel, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the holy Apostles, St. Peter and St. Paul, and the Saints and the Sacred Hosts of Heaven, and to you my Lord, I do declare from my heart, without mental reservation, that the Pope is Christ's Vicar-General, and is the true and only Head of the Universal Church throughout the earth, and that by virtue of the keys of binding and loosing **given to his Holiness by Jesus Christ, he has power to dispose heretical kings, princes, states, commonwealths and governments, all being illegal without his sacred confirmation, and they may safely be destroyed. **Therefore, to the uttermost of my power, **I will defend the doctrine and his Holiness' rights and customs against all usurpers of the Protestant authority whatsoever,** especially against the now pretended authority and church in England and all adherents, in regard that they be usurpal and heretical opposing the Sacred Mother, the Church of Rome.
**"I do denounce and disown any allegiance as due to any Protestant king, prince, state, or obedience to any of their inferior officers.** I do further declare the doctrine of the church of England, of the Calvinists, Huguenots and other Protestants to be damnable, and those to be damned who will not forsake the same.
"I do further declare that I will help, assist, and advise all or any of his Holiness' agents in any place wherever I shall be, **and do my utmost to extirpate Protestant doctrine, and to destroy all their pretended power, legal or otherwise.** I do further promise and declare that notwithstanding that I may be permitted by dispensation to assume any heretical religion for the propagation of the **Mother Church's interest, to keep secret and private all her agents' councils as they entrust me,** and not to divulge directly or indirectly, by word, writing, or circumstance whatsoever, but to execute all which shall be proposed, given in charge or discovered unto me by you my most Reverend Lord and Bishop.
"All of which I, _____, do swear by the blessed Trinity and sacrament which I am about to receive, to perform on my part, to keep inviolably, and do call on all the Heavenly and Glorious Hosts of Heaven to witness my real intentions to keep this my oath.
"In testimony wherefore I take this most holy and blessed sacrament of the Eucharist, and witness the same further with my consecrated hand, in the presence of my Holy Bishop and all the Priests who assist him in my Ordination to Priesthood."You failed to address my direct question. Why is that?
Please take a break from casting stones a minute and answer the question…
I dont claim association to any one church. I listen to many. my personal observation is
Radio and internet Radio allow someone to listen everyday thats what I do. Have for years.
Yes, ProdicalSon1 2Peter 3:15-16 is what you say above. But in v17 Peter also said,"Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this (above), be on guard so that you may not be carried away by error of lawless men and fall from your secure position. What he did not say, was that he’s going to set up a clerical hierarchy (magestrium) to make sure that they get it right. This would have been a very apropriate time for him to do so. Do we agree? Lk 24:25 Jesus rebuked two ordinary people calling them fools for not knowing Scripture. 2 Tim 3:15 He new the Old T. from chilhood. It was not taught to him by rabbis but by his mother. It’s clear, people in the Old T. didn’t look to hierarchy for an official interpretation, that should also now include us, Agree? If an official interpretation for the OLd T. isn’t necessary, why then do we need one for the New T. Priscilla and Aquila a husband and wife team, tent makers Acts 18:3 a church met in their home.1Cor 16:19. They were also capable of teaching God’s Word to Apollos Act18:26 The Roman Catholic hierarchy didn’t even exist at that time. Paul tells the believers to check him out 1Cor14:37 How could that be possible if they weren’t able to properly interpret Scripture? It was by the same witness of the Holy Spirit within each believer that the first-century church decided which books (letters) were canonical, as it is for us today. John 16:13 The same Holy Spirit that guided them to the truth, does so for the believers of today. ED
We are saved by Grace alone. It is Gods’ free gift of Grace which enables us to have Faith and do His will; without it we could do nothing.
It is not my accusations per say. But rather the word of God as I and others testify it that convicts you. If you are lead by the Spirit He will bring all things to remembrance.
To further clarify I was referring to members mostly, there are false teachers. And for the record I, like Ralph said, have met a lot of Catholics that dont know anything about what is written in the bible, all they can reference is the Catechism. This is the only place I have found bible literate Catholics.
Hi JJ59, This is Ed telling you how to get saved. Hey Forum contributors, allow me to restate how and on what basis that I got saved as follows: It’s so simple to get saved, that’s why it’s so hard for some to understand. I got saved on May 4, 1974, I called out to God to save me as per Rom.10:13 “Anyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved”. also Rev 3:20. By doing so, God came into my life, I was “born again” spiritually, as required per John 3:5. and the angels rejoiced in heaven over my salvation Lk 15:10. Then two things took place, (1) I then read the Bible in order to grow spiritually which the Holy Spirit taught me God’s Biblical ways. (2) For months, God took me as far back into my life as I could remember. Every time I recalled a sin, right there on the spot, I confessed it to God. I was being sanctified. At times, I was required to make an apology or a restitution. Sometime later, I was led by the spirit to go to a Non-denominational prayer meeting where spirit filled people laid hands and prayed for me to receive the infilling of the Holy Spirit as per Acts 8:17. Later, I was water re-baptized per Mat 3:11 as John states,” I baptize you with water for REPENTANCE “. (not for washing any of my sins as I was once taught). Sins can only be atoned for by the shedding of BLOOD Heb.9:22) Jesus did that for me on the cross Rev1:5 “ To Him (Jesus) who loves us and freed us from our sins by His BLOOD. To SUMMARIZE: I got saved on these basis: (A) I believed that God would come into my life when I called on the Lord per Rom.3:20 (B) I believed the gospel per Jesus in Mark 16:15-16 (The gospel is, Jesus died, was buried and was resurrected 1 Cor 15:2-4.) (C) I believed that salvation is by God’s grace and not by any of my works so that I could not boast, it’s a free gift from God Eph.2:8-9. (D) I was baptized to shown my out-ward sign of repentance per Mat,3:11. Also see P. S. below (E) I received the infilling of the Holy Spirit per Acts 8:17. I Now do good works (not for salvation) but to show my repentance as per Mat.3:7-8 And by doing so, it now counts for my rewards in heaven Mat.16:27 (F) I now know that I’m saved because there’s been a great change in my life per 2 Cor 15:17. (G) Most importantly I now know for certain, by following God’s above plan for salvation, that I’m assured of going to heaven per 1 John 5:13. " I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may KNOW that you have eternal life”. We are saved by faith in Jesus alone.------- P. S. It’s the faith in Jesus’ BLOOD that washed my sins away (He was made sin) and by my belief in Him, He imputed His righteousness to me. That’s something water baptism can’t do. I was water baptized to identify with Christ’s dying to my old self, buried, and some day I’ll be resurrected by Him. ED
How is the Church the pillar and foundation of truth if everyone goes off and believes/teaches their own different truth based on their own (supposed Spirit led) private interpretation of the Scriptures.
To start with Jesus is the pillar of truth not an origination with a shingle on the door.
I find it unusual that someone could think that the body of Christ on earth could be under under one roof “church”.You’ve personally met 100s of Catholics who don’t know what is written in the Bible? Wow!
Do you know the whole Bible?