How can Catholics vote for Joe Biden

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That is a matter of Political procedure, which the Democrats also do. I may not like it but I understand it is politics. What I don’t like about the Democrats is that they actually promote evil in this world, namely the murder of children.
 
Merrick Garland is nothing close to ACB. That is an utter joke.
 
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I can’t speak for others, but I’m not hiding my position on abortion… I simply am not a one issue voter… I think we all should consider the Church’s guidance on these 7 Things:
You can check off all seven points for President Trump. Before COVID the economy was growing, unemployment and poverty were both down. Once you get past the irrelevant personal dislikes liberals have for President Trump the facts and numbers support our president.
 
Based on this list,it’s obvious Trump is the most pro life candidate.JB fulfills none of these criteria
I don’t know that it is obvious that Trump is pro-life… For instance, he fails in rejecting abortion in all cases and has been very aggressive on reintroducing the death penalty. Not so good on #2, #3, #4, , #5, #6, #7 according to many
 
To answer your question… I think everyone must examine their consciences fully and determine which candidate is best…across a range of issues.
Your opinion. Not that of the U.S. bishops or any Pope. This is actually a protestant view, not a Catholic view. And why in the world, if you’re Catholic, would you want an abortion supporter like Garland on the Court instead of a prolife woman like Barrett?
Fully agree… that is why Merrick Garland should be on the court. McConnell manipulated the system and abused power
No he didn’t. He had every right to do exactly what he did.
I forgot that economic policy is more important than the lives of millions of children.
Not that the Dem party has any coherent economic policies.
Given the Senate at the time, there is no one who they would have held hearings on. That much was made clear by McConnell at the time.
Correct. Obama would have appointed another abortion supporting justice like the other two he appointed, and there was no way the Repubs would have confirmed them.
there is a growing Democrats for Life organization
Nonsense. The Dems got rid of the last prolife Democrat in congress when they got rid of Lipinski. There is effectively no such thing as a “Democrat for Life”. The party eliminates them.
for example Rerum Novarum, Pacem in Terris
Where in Rerum Novarum does it say it’s okay to kill children? Please quote the passage for us.
The USCCB has plenty of material as well.
Yes. It says abortion is the preeminent issue in this election; i.e., more important than any other issue.
Remember, being pro-life is more than being anti abortion; a lot more.
Not that the Dem party is any of those things. In the early Obama administration, the Dems could have enacted anything they wanted. They had total control. What did they do for the poor? Absolutely nothing. They did enact middle class welfare measures like “Cash for Clunkers” that subsidized people wealthy enough to buy new cars. It destroyed the “clunkers” the poor depend on, of course, and caused used car prices to go up.

Well, then the Dems also want to make it more expensive for the poor to heat their homes or put gas in their cars to get to work, or buy food which takes a great deal of fossil fuel to grow. After all, wages are cheaper in China, especially the slave labor, and illegal immigrants will work for less than minimum wage. But who cares about working people, right? Certainly not the Dem party, which is the party of Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg and other oligarchs of business and entertainment.
 
The burden of proof is on those who claim the positive. You don’t “prove” the unicorns don’t exist. You ask for proof that they do .
You have it backwards. President Trump has clearly stated he will protect pre-existing conditions. How do you want him to “prove” he will do this to your satisfaction? Your the one who says he is lying so it’s incumbent upon you to provide evidence of any such lie.
 
Two changes here, first from Eichmann to “complicit Nazis;” and the shift from how Catholics vote to “rationalization Democrats use.” Maybe someone else can answer this. I have not ever talked to any Democrats on this topic. I think of the issue only from the viewpoint of Catholic moral teaching.
 
Where in Rerum Novarum does it say it’s okay to kill children? Please quote the passage for us.
You are putting words in my mouth… where did I even remotely imply that Rerum Novarum or any other Church document says it’s okay to kill children?

I’m fine having a debate, but can I ask that we have an honest debate?
 
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Perhaps that explains why so many Catholics on CAF come out in defence of the Dems and justify abortion using the muted language of social justice, i.e., “across a range of issues.” They aren’t admitting their real position but hiding behind their party affiliation?
To be clear, no one on this thread has said they are in favor of abortion, they haven’t obfuscated either. They, including me, have clearly stated they are pro life. I am NOT in favor of nor do i support abortion. And I’ve sidewalk counseled in front of Planned Parenthood for years, been on the board of a prominent pro life group, and support my local crisis pregnancy center monetarily. This is not a theoretical exercise for me.

Also, we— at least I-- are not Democrats. I’ve been voting since Reagan. Not as a Democrat.
 
Merrick Garland is nothing close to ACB. That is an utter joke.
How can you really know that if he was never given a fair hearing? And don’t even try to convince me that you actually follow Federal judges independently; no way I am buying that.
 
Not that the Dem party has any coherent economic policies.
I agree but at least there is mostly no intrinsically evil components to their economic policies. That is only reason I said that could be a reason to consider them. Obviously it doesn’t outweigh the evil of the other things they support.
 
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President Trump has clearly stated he will protect pre-existing conditions.
He has also had nearly four years to provide details of his “better. cheaper” health plan and still has not given a single tangible proposal, only promises that it will be , well, better and cheaper. Well past time for him to put up or shut up.
 
If you think I’m supposed to take the opinion of an extreme right-wing source like LifeNews as authoritative, you are mistaken.
There is a direct quote from Biden himself saying “I will codify Roe vs.Wade.” You asked for evidence and I gave it to you. What do you want ;a personal telephone call from Biden?

So you as a Catholic (I assume your Catholic) don’t want to support a publication that is pro life? I remain amazed!
 
Single issue vs range of issues. Genocide of unborn children vs a range of issues. Most pro-life administration vs most pro-death, most anti-Catholic nominees.
 
Two changes here, first from Eichmann to “complicit Nazis;” and the shift from how Catholics vote to “rationalization Democrats use.” Maybe someone else can answer this. I have not ever talked to any Democrats on this topic. I think of the issue only from the viewpoint of Catholic moral teaching.
It is pretty clear that a vote for Joe Biden is a vote for the cabal of Wall Street bankers, technocrat oligarchs, the media and entertainment complex, and large globalist corporations.

You only need to look as far as the collusion of censorship regarding Joe Biden’s corruption. More and more independent journalists are discovering that the wealthy elites will stop at nothing to get Biden elected. Clearly they have a big stake in this election. Hint: it isn’t because they care for the poor and marginalized. It is because they positively want to control US policies to their benefit.

Glenn Greenwald is discovering what measures in censoring the truth these people will undertake.

Long discussion…

Shorter discussion …


Why aren’t people at least wondering if Biden’s corrupt practices in Ukraine and China are true? Why are these being dismissed outright even when they are known to be true.

Truth to power my eye.

 
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