How can Catholics vote for Joe Biden

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Yes we did. It was one of Obama’s noteworthy accomplishments. Trump should be given credit for finishing a job that was well underway.
 
Billy76 said:
If he nominated a real judge like Amy Coney Barrett then I bet they would have.
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Their whole point was to block Obama. Nothing else. I’m not sure why you don’t believe them, but that’s not my problem.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Socialized medicine isn’t necessarily “fair” either, since the Dem proposals are not means tested.
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There are a lot of government perks that are not means-tested. Why draw the line at health care? For example, public parks - free to all, even the super rich. Police protection - free to all, even the super rich. Public schools - free to all, even the super-rich. Why not add health care - free to all, even the super rich?
 
Trump should be given great credit on his appointment of judges. Any one of the other 16 republicans who ran against him in 2016 would have done the same.

Biden, of course, will not.

Certainly an understandable reason to vote for Trump.
 
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Just voted for Biden/Harris and felt good about it.

I thought about the Central Park Five, the children in cages, and the 545 kids taken from their parents. I know I made the right decision.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Why not? Why should I, if I were a rich person, take the hard-won earnings of a poor person to pay for my health care? Kind of un-biblical, wouldn’t you say?
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You have not addressed the fact that public parks, national parks, public schools, police protection, also take the hard-won earnings of a poor person to pay for them. Is that un-biblical too?
 
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HarryStotle:
Keep the euthanasia “solution” in mind. Economic policies that are not long-term viable will come back to haunt their promoters.
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Sweden, Finland, Italy, Spain, all do not have euthanasia. Yet they all provide health care to all their citizens. So the idea that universal health care can only come at the price of allowing euthanasia is just another attempt to excuse why we cannot do what so many other nations have managed to do.
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Not quite what you claim
Switzerland, Germany, Finland, and Austria allow physician-assisted death under specific scenarios.
Countries such as Spain, Sweden, England, Italy, Hungary, and Norway allow passive euthanasia under strict circumstances.
Source: Dutch girl, 17, legally ends her own life at euthanasia clinic | Daily Mail Online
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There are a number of states in the US that are pushing euthanasia. Merely because some countries have not yet implemented it fully does not mean they won’t in the near future. Once state sanctioned termination of lives is permitted, the door has been opened.

Spain…


Italy…


Finland…


Sweden…

 
HarryStotle said:
Merely because some countries have not yet implemented it fully does not mean they won’t in the near future.
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This still does not prove that we can’t have universal health care without accepting euthanasia, which of course is nonsense. There is no reason why we can’t, even if other nations have gone down that route.
 
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I don’t recall any complaints in the bible about police, parks or schools.
Dobby said:
I thought about the Central Park Five, the children in cages, and the 545 kids taken from their parents. I know I made the right decision.
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Let’s see. I believe all lived, didn’t they? None of the victims of abortion did. And you “made the right decision” supporting abortion? One would have thought otherwise.
 
How could a Catholic vote for Biden? Because at some point over the last several years of Trump’s presidency (and before it as well) he has said multiple things that insult something a vote might hold dearly. Here are some of my personal examples:
  • My grandma immigrated from a “sh**hole country” that our whole family still loves dearly
  • My wife was physically groped by somebody in a position of power over her, so hearing Trump say “grab her by the pu**y. When you’re a star you can do anything” is pretty disqualifying in both of our books.
  • My grandfather served in the military when our country called upon him. He didn’t skate out of the obligation.
  • Pick any number of my friends who are from Mexico, the land of rapists, murderers, and drug dealers.
I have more examples, but those came to mind first. I’m not going to vote for someone that routinely rips into people just because he doesn’t like them. He is a walking embodiment of the sin “greed”. His comments about women and their bodies is disturbing. He openly supported torture, commenting that the methods should be even more extreme. Something he says is true just because he says it, but now the GOP line up to defend him when a few short years ago he was painted as an unstable nut by anyone of relevance in the party. I could list of a bunch of other reasons, but I’m sure someone will read this and say “I don’t agree with that, so this post must be some left wing nut”. I’d vote for Biden because Trump is, in my eyes, a disgusting person and a bully who hides behind thinly veiled racism, threats of lawsuits, and his ego. Biden is also very bad, but I’m not going to come home after voting and tell my loved ones that I voted for the guy that routinely rips into them for the reasons I listed above and will never apologize for anything he has done. Abortion is a true tragedy, but those other reasons are also very real for a lot of people. He has a long history of awful things, but anything that says something negative about him is “fake news” now. He’s a salesman and he is the product. I just don’t buy that he believes any of what he says. I hate both the options, but I am alright with the choice I made and will continue advancing with pro-life causes, but after carefully examining my own conscious I made my choice, which is ultimately what the Church asks of us.

Edit- a final thought: The president may respect unborn life, but no amount of convincing will ever make me believe that he respects all life, especially if you are a person who disagrees with him.
 
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So you think those things are worse than infanticide?

By the way, Up to half of some minority unborn are aborted, 12% of the pooulation, African Americans are 33% of all abortions. Democrats support those laws.

I think all of this is much worse.

Serve Planned Parenhood? More Planned Parenthood clinics in minority areas?

Imfanticide? Allowing born babies to die?

Oh yes, those other things are so very bad.
 
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Do you think that if Trump is reelected the rate of abortion will decrease? Stay the same?
 
Ridgerunner said:
I don’t recall any complaints in the bible about police, parks or schools.
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Just as there are no complaints in the bible about providing health care for all, yet that is what you chose to call un-biblical.

Frankly, I think those that want to argue against universal health care would have a lot easier time attacking it on practical grounds rather than ideological grounds. I know I would have a lot harder time defending it. Just sayin…
 
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Abortion has been decreasing, hard to tell exact causes. States do a lot.

What we do know is Democrats will revoke the Mexico City policy, freeing funding up for overseas abortions via Planned Parenthood International and thus, opening up performing abortions in Third World nations such as in Africa or Latin America. Another bad thing. Not what my vote is for.
 
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By the way, S-hole country is unproven as to use. I respect people having private conversations and so care little about some obscure audio tape per the other allegation.

Back to infanticide, I believe we ought to let a live child live. They aren’t in the womb anymore, they may have survived abortion. Let the kid live!
 
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