How can Catholics vote for Joe Biden

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NOT a plan for a SCOTUS ruling against ACA. Executive orders are not laws. They cannot replace laws. Please demonstrate how people with pre-existing convictions are protected post-SCOTUS strike-down of ACA.
 
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Pre-existing conditions are certainly a difficult issue to work out solutions that do not unfairly burden someone.
As you probably know, the pre=existing issue is not much of an issue with a person whose employer provides health insurance, since ERISA requires coverage of pre-existing. Medicaid covers pre-existing. So the only people with pre-existing who get benefit from Obamacare are those few who are not disabled, have too many assets for Medicaid, and are not provided health insurance with employment.

And for that, the whole system was turned on its head. Supplementing state programs would have been so much easier and likely cheaper.
 
I am a real estate investor, and President Trump wrongfully allowed CDC to prevent me from currently evicting deadbeat tenants who won’t pay.
No one has really responded to this little item. So I will:

How very pro life of you.

How very Catholic of you.
 
What is proportionately evil on the Republican platform that is equivalent to the thousands upon thousands of Children that murdered that the Democrats want to expand? In theory you could be right but what in this election is proportionate?
 
It’s been real. But I need to exit this thread.

I have a ballot to return to the town clerk today.
 
The connection between border enforcement and murder is speculation at best. One could also argue that many would-be immigrants died in Mexico because they could not enter the US. That, too, is just speculation, but I put it out there just for balance.
So, we are suppose to have open borders?
If you did live in 1860 you would have heard that Lincoln was campaigning on a platform of non-interference in the slave states. He only opposed the expansion of slavery into the non-slave states. So, perhaps you should pick another analogy.
First off, one is correcting me but I did not originally say this and I quoted someone. Please do not order me around.

Lincoln saw slavery as immoral; and that’s why the South was very riled up with him even getting into office. I think your statement may not be correct in total.

 
But that is too, your opinion. You never have anything that backs up your views. It seems to just speak negatively of Trump.
Everything I have said is easily dismissed as fake news, or an issue with his personality, and most commonly, “but abortion!” I have mentioned a few things I have liked about President Trump over the last four years, by the way.
 
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OK, now we see what’s really going on. Trump says he will protect preexisting conditions, but when push comes to shove, preexisting conditions is a “difficult issue to work out”. …
Essentially what this comes down to is an admission that “we can’t provide health insurance for everyone with pre-existing conditions”. Yet most other developed nations managed to do just that. Yes, they have higher taxes, or they have an individual mandate, and that’s how they do it. And I know that higher taxes is a deal-breaker for conservatives. So let’s drop the pretense that Trump is somehow going to protect people with preexisting conditions and allow them to get health care regardless of anything. Trump has no intention of doing it, and you have just helped confirm that.
Yeah, no. This is you jumping to unfair conclusions.

Perhaps I can give an example that might show what I meant by “unfairly burdening” someone.

Children who were born with severe mental and physical handicaps in the 1950s and earlier were seen to be “unfair burdens” to families, which is why the state in various jurisdictions opened hospice types of institutions to assist those families.

A more “enlightened” subsequent generation saw those institutions as inhumane and actively sought to close them. What happened? Individuals with severe handicaps were repatriated into society, for a time - back into schools and into families until it became clear that such individuals were indeed a burden to families. So respite services began to appear to provide relief.

Today, however, the medical profession routinely advocates the abortion - the getting rid of the burden entirely.

Now what you see as the “caring” gesturing of Democrats in terms of “pre-existing conditions” I see as a ploy to pander to a minority with legitimate concerns.

However, over the long term, focusing more and more power and resources in the hands of the state will NOT go well for those with pre-existing conditions. State-run health care will reach a point where such conditions will be deemed “too expensive” to continue supporting and paying for from an increasingly limited budget and coverage will be dropped.

That is why countries like the Netherlands, Belgium, the UK and Canada are pushing euthanasia to deal with individuals with conditions that the state considers “too burdensome.”

I would be very careful into which basket you place all of your eggs, especially when the group that holds that basket are not completely up front with how it will deal with the exponential costs of sustaining their unicorn promises.

A one size fits all solution might become very constraining in short order.

And a group that so easily endorses the killing of human beings to solve a dilemna will not stop that “easy solution” when other voiceless individuals become deemed “unduly burdensome.”
 
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You would think “America” Magazine could come up with some arguments of its own instead of just parroting DNC talking points. I understand why the DNC talking points are protestant views, but they dont reflect the teachings of the Catholic Church.
 
Socialized medicine isn’t necessarily “fair” either, since the Dem proposals are not means tested.
 
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Dracarys:
I am a real estate investor, and President Trump wrongfully allowed CDC to prevent me from currently evicting deadbeat tenants who won’t pay.
No one has really responded to this little item. So I will:

How very pro life of you.

How very Catholic of you.
Why is it necessarily Catholic to maintain individuals who abuse the good will of others?

And why are you judging the actions Re: eviction without knowing the particulars?

Should individuals never be evicted no matter what?

Didn’t St Paul say “If they don’t work, they shouldn’t eat?”
“The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.” (2 Thess 3:10)
And Pope Francis apparently agrees…

 
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HarryStotle:
Check my list of things he has already done upthread. Especially #5 and #6.

Clearly he hasn’t done what you want him to do,
or even what he said he would do, which was to protect people with preexisting conditions.
I believe the solutions are multi-faceted and not the simple one the Democrats are promoting.

I also believe, and with good reason, that unsustainable solutions will end up being worse than the problem they are supposedly addressing.

Keep the euthanasia “solution” in mind. Economic policies that are not long-term viable will come back to haunt their promoters.
 
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Don’t waste your time with me. Perhaps I am not faithful enough.
Foreign policy: stupid and lacks any cohesion
Trade policies: idiotic
Immigration policies: strongly opposed
Tax cut: completely screwed up an chance at a much needed corporate tax reform
 
Don’t waste your time with me. Perhaps I am not faithful enough.
Foreign policy: stupid and lacks any cohesion
Trade policies: idiotic
Immigration policies: strongly opposed
Tax cut: completely screwed up an chance at a much needed corporate tax reform
Yes, how we miss seeing ISIS commit atrocities on tv, the Caliphate beaten back or Kim Jong Un firing off missiles and threatening others.

What a weak foreign policy.

That’s just for starters but I won’t waste my time mentioning more as well.

We could do more but at its most basic we and many others helped stop genocide against Christians and that means a lot to me.
 
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ISIS was well on its way to being defeated prior to 2017, theeffective military operations started in early 2014 (way too late).

Trump accomplished nothing with his diplomacy of North Korea.

He has alienated one ally after another, instituting stupid tariffs against the likes of Canada and the EU and Mexico.

He has stood up to China, but with a really dumb strategy. If you want to win a trade war with China, you first sign a trade deal with all the other asian countries and leave China out.

He has had limited success regarding the middle east
 
And the whole concept that one man can raise our taxes simply by defining any situation as a matter of national security is completely un american. Remember that slogan of the American Revolution about taxes?
 
I repeat, we stopped genocide against Christians and others with our partners. Genocide against Catholics actually, Chaldeans and Assyrians. Means a lot to me.
 
Keep the euthanasia “solution” in mind. Economic policies that are not long-term viable will come back to haunt their promoters.
Sweden, Finland, Italy, Spain, all do not have euthanasia. Yet they all provide health care to all their citizens. So the idea that universal health care can only come at the price of allowing euthanasia is just another attempt to excuse why we cannot do what so many other nations have managed to do.
 
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