How can Catholics vote for Joe Biden

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HarryStotle said:
No it comes from the acknowledgement that certain wavelengths of light are reflected from the painting.
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I admire the approach of rigid math, but it simply dismisses & fails to acknowledge that condition, experience & a relative view also make up that equation
HarryStotle said:
Not subjective at all
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Certainly is true of those that do not consider peripheral conditions
 
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EssentialBeing said:
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HarryStotle:
No it comes from the acknowledgement that certain wavelengths of light are reflected from the painting.
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Again with the rigid math, so you can not acknowledge that condition, experience & a relative view also make up that equation? Just a question not a criticism
HarryStotle said:
Not subjective at all
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Certainly is true of those that do not consider peripheral conditions
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The difference between subjective and objective is in the source of justification.

Objective facts are grounded in objective reality. Subjective facts are grounded in subjective experience alone.

Hence, I see blue is a subjective determination but The painting is blue is objective.

Certainly, the colour blue is about perceptual qualia but there is no way of knowing what the actual experience of blue is for each person, just for what we see ourselves. Objectively, though, blue - when anyone speaks of it accurately with a properly functioning perceptual apparatus - correlates to specific wavelengths of light regardless of what anyone subjectively experiences.
 
HarryStotle said:
Certainly, the colour blue is about perceptual qualia but there is no way of knowing what the actual experience of blue is for each person, just for what we see ourselves
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Exactly right, in a sense objective & subjective truth is only a matter of perspective. That is not to say that life can be as clear cut as one shared universal truth.

I can surmise that we are talking about 2 totally different things 😃 but it is good to see that both subjective & objective can come together to elevate the overall knowledge of the human condition.
 
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EssentialBeing said:
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HarryStotle:
Certainly, the colour blue is about perceptual qualia but there is no way of knowing what the actual experience of blue is for each person, just for what we see ourselves
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Exactly right, in a sense objective & subjective truth is only a matter of perspective.
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Not what I said.
 
I did by pressing the button next to his name, and voila! That’s how I did it.
 
The Biden voters can attempt to legitimize and fool themselves with all kinds of clever talk and arguments. However nothing will change the fact that it looks like the majority of voters have elected an administration that will rabidly support and otherwise promote the murder of thousands of babies. They have blood on their hands.
 
No offense, but this simply isn’t something a poll like this can answer, even an impartial poll. This piece of loaded junk is totally worthless. Just look at how that question is asked? “…directly linking Joe Biden to a corrupt financial arrangement between a Chinese company with connections to the Chinese communist party.”

Nothing is “apparent” except the alternative to media on the right are not reliable. The people that held this poll said, “It is an indisputable fact that the media stole the election. If they do not know what the words “indisputable” or “fact” means, why would any one trust them. With all the talk of “fake news” how can anything get more fake than this type of website?
 
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HarryStotle said:
Apparently 4.6% of the total of Joe Biden’s voters would not have voted for him had they known of Hunter Biden’s laptop and corruption allegations.

FACT: Big Media and Big Tech Stole the 2020 Election | Newsbusters

So the media did a laudable job keeping relevant information from the voting public? Election interference?
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Tucker Carlson was going to report on them. He asked an unamed source to send some damning evidence about the Bidens through to him. They were the only copies and gee, wouldn’t you know, they got lost in the post! Fox News's Tucker Carlson mocked for 'lost in mail' Biden documents claim | Fox News | The Guardian

Wanna buy a bridge? I can do you a good deal. Easy repayments.
 
HarryStotle said:
Apparently 4.6% of the total of Joe Biden’s voters would not have voted for him had they known of Hunter Biden’s laptop and corruption allegations.
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Now do what percent of voters would have voted for Hillary if the media hadn’t reported of specious new email investigations right before the election. Clearly the media was in Trump’s pocket the whole time.

Sounds silly huh?

I’d be interested in how the question was asked as well. Because it sounds like they were asked about evidence, not allegations, and whether these multiple misplaced laptops are evidence is what’s under investigation.
 
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HarryStotle:
Apparently 4.6% of the total of Joe Biden’s voters would not have voted for him had they known of Hunter Biden’s laptop and corruption allegations.
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Now do what percent of voters would have voted for Hillary if the media hadn’t reported of specious new email investigations right before the election. Clearly the media was in Trump’s pocket the whole time.

Sounds silly huh?

I’d be interested in how the question was asked as well. Because it sounds like they were asked about evidence, not allegations, and whether these multiple misplaced laptops are evidence is what’s under investigation.
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Except that the last election was known by everyone to belong to Hillary. No one doubted that and the media along with the pollsters had no doubt Hillary would win so there was no wholesale attempt to censor reports and information from any source.

This time around there was a very strong possibility that Trump would win so keeping information from voters was a frequently used strategy.

Everyone and his pet chihuahua knew about Hillary’s emails but were uncertain as to the legal implications. I would doubt the emails had much of an impact since those who voted NOT “with her” voted that way because of her other distasteful attributes.

Other than the monetary “arrangements” with China and Ukraine Biden doesn’t carry the aura of corruption around with him so not being aware about Hunter Biden’s business dealings would have had more of an impact.

On the other hand there are many who do know about the corruption but shrug it off, so apparently selling out the country for personal profit is quite acceptable for a politician these days.
 
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Not true at all. In fact, all these baseless attacks only served strengthen the resolve, determination, and will of those who voted for Biden. Once again, one of the many and fuile attempts to smear Biden. And in this their insidious machinations backfired bigtime and gained Biden more votes which helped to to propel Biden to the Presidency. And Hunter Biden wasn’t running, so their cause further backfired on them.
 
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Rasoleil said:
Not true at all. In fact, all these baseless attacks only served strengthen the resolve, determination, and will of those who voted for Biden. Once again, one of the many and fuile attempts to smear Biden. And in this their insidious machinations backfired bigtime and gained Biden more votes which helped to to propel Biden to the Presidency. And Hunter Biden wasn’t running, so their cause further backfired on them.
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I understand that is the narrative being pushed by the press.

You accept all of that based upon what exactly? Your trust in Joe?

The issue doesn’t hinge on whether Hunter Biden did something corrupt. If you think that, you are not properly informed.

The issue is that Joe gained monetarily from his tenure in office by using Hunter as the conduit of access to American foreign policy. He sold US policy to Ukraine and China through his son.

I suppose the fact that people aren’t interested in determining whether those allegations are true or not is telling, in itself.
 
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I pray for Joe Biden. I voted for him because he is the only choice we had, and our best bet for the United States of America.
 
Good question.

First of all, my point is a general one that Biden supporters are not interested in knowing if it is true or not. And many have just decided it is Russian disinformation without any evidence that it is. Twitter banned all coverage of it as “hacked material,” which is a lie.

Second, the FBI sat on it for over ten months and had it during the impeachment hearing when it was claimed that there was no corruption for the prosecutor Shokin to investigate so Shokin was corrupt in pushing to investigate Burisma and that is why Biden demanded he be fired. The laptop shows Joe was directly implicated and had personal motive to stop the investigation.

So if the FBI hid evidence to protect Biden then what makes us think they will move forward if Biden is president? It will magically be explained away and go hiding in a basement somewhere or be destroyed like the cell phones of Mueller’s team.
 
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