How can homosexuality be immoral or contrary to natural ends if there is a genetic/evolutionary/biological reason for it?

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Thorolfr said:
There are undoubtedly “medical consequences” (such as STDs) from having lots of unprotected sex with multiple partners, but this is true of both straight and gay sex. But gay couples in a monogamous relationship (they do exist) suffer no more “medical consequences” than straight couples in a monogamous relationship.
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Except for the risk of the single layer of epitheleal cells and the resulatant medical costs that we all now pay for.
 
buffalo said:
First off, your claim about 98.7 is not current. It is somewhere between around 80% and 92% depending on the study. In any case close relatives is not a valid argument.
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It’s not “my claim.” As you might notice, I was quoting from an article and have provided a link to the article below. I haven’t done any research on bonobo and human DNA.
 
Thorolfr said:
It’s not “my claim.” As you might notice, I was quoting from an article and have provided a link to the article below. I haven’t done any research on bonobo and human DNA.
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OK, it really does not matter since we are aware of DNA being more of a library with very unique combinatorial instruction sets. Bottom -line, trying to make an argument that we are like animals does not work.
 
buffalo said:
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Thorolfr:
There are undoubtedly “medical consequences” (such as STDs) from having lots of unprotected sex with multiple partners, but this is true of both straight and gay sex. But gay couples in a monogamous relationship (they do exist) suffer no more “medical consequences” than straight couples in a monogamous relationship.
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Except for the risk of the single layer of epitheleal cells and the resulatant medical costs that we all now pay for.
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I’m not sure what you’re talking about. I’ve been in a relationship with my same-sex partner for more than 20 years and there haven’t been any “medical consequences.”

If you’re perhaps alluding to anal sex, less than 40% of gay men do this. But regardless, I don’t think that that is a medical issue even for most gay men who do.
 
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Thorolfr:
It’s not “my claim.” As you might notice, I was quoting from an article and have provided a link to the article below. I haven’t done any research on bonobo and human DNA.
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OK, it really does not matter since we are aware of DNA being more of a library with very unique combinatorial instruction sets. Bottom -line, trying to make an argument that we are like animals does not work.
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DNA certainly demonstrates that we’re related to bonobos and other primates and share a distant common biological ancestor with them.
 
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Thorolfr said:
DNA certainly demonstrates that we’re related to bonobos and other primates and share a distant common biological ancestor with them.
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If you search my posts on evolution you can see the problems with your claim. I will not argue it on this thread.
 
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buffalo:
And now we know the highest is among homosexual teenagers

The stats don't lie: 'Gay' health costs coming your way
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Are you suggesting by posting this article that LGBT people should be denied access to health care?
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So should overweight people and people who develop diabetes or heart disease also be placed in high risk pools because they ate lots of fast food and pizza and made other unhealthy diet choices during their life instead of eating low fat food with lots of fruits and vegetables?
 
Thorolfr said:
So should overweight people and people who develop diabetes or heart disease also be placed in high risk pools because they ate lots of fast food and pizza and made other unhealthy diet choices during their life instead of eating low fat food with lots of fruits and vegetables?
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Yes. In fact life insurance companies already take this into account.
 
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buffalo:
And now we know the highest is among homosexual teenagers

The stats don't lie: 'Gay' health costs coming your way
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Are you suggesting by posting this article that LGBT people should be denied access to health care?
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So should overweight people and people who develop diabetes or heart disease also be placed in high risk pools because they ate lots of fast food and pizza and made other unhealthy diet choices during their life instead of eating low fat food with lots of fruits and vegetables?
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You should speak to an insurance broker/actuary type about this. You might be surprised.
 
As far as I know, under the ACA, people with preexisting conditions can’t be charged more for health insurance.
 
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Thorolfr said:
As far as I know, under the ACA, people with preexisting conditions can’t be charged more for insurance.
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This is a shell game. People with conditions cost the system more. Smokers for instance cost the health care system many times more. Shuffling the costs around and pretending it’s all “free” or independent of human behavior is a deception. If a smoker goes to the hospital three times as often as I do and is not paying his real share of the burden, all the other payors are paying his share.

That’s an unjust system. And a good topic for another thread.
 
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The fact is that most people cost the system more than they should. According to recent statistics, 39.8% of Americans over 20 are obese and another 31.8% are overweight. These people are probably going to have health consequences from being overweight or obese later in life and are going to cost the system a lot. Even the Trump administration has inexplicably rolled back regulations that were intended to make sure that school kids have healthier lunches.
 
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