How can I prove that the Virgin Mary has always been a virgin?

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šŸ‘ how true and you can add to this that if He had siblings then He would have caused them to sin by Jewish law not allowing them to take care of their mother as is required. At this point all you have to ask is would Jesus cause anyone to sin? If not then He had no siblings.
tomb,
yes, and another verse reads that when Joseph and Mary went to Nazareth to register for the census. Only Jesus is mentioned. She gave birth to her first born son. Lu.2:1–7
Lu.2::41-52, No other children are mentioned. Then again, in other verses a family of other children are mentioned. so, we must view this as a mystery.
Why do folks worry about this? It doesn’t change the fact that Jesus Christ is our Savior.

God bless,
bluelake
 
All the virtues attributed to the Theotokos are in light of the virtues of Christ!

If you wonder at Mary’s Immaculate Conception…look to Jesus for the reason.

If you wonder about Mary’s Perpetual Virginity…look to Jesus for the reason.

If you wonder about Mary’s Assumption…look to Jesus for the reason.

If you wonder about Mary being the Co-redemptrix, Co-Mediatrix and Advocate…look to Jesus for the reason.

And Joseph!!!

If you wonder about Joseph not taking Mary in an intimate way…look to Jesus for the reason of this also.
Co-Redeemer? I thnk Jesus did it all on Calvary, don’t you?
Mary was chosen by the Lord to give birth to a son, Immanuel, God with us.
God came down from heaven when he chose to robe Himself in flesh.
The Lord sent Gabriel to announce Mary had found favor with God. read all about it in Lu.1:26-38 Mary certainly is blessed, but be careful , don’t put her above the Lord.

bluelake
 
Hi, Bluelake,

I hope Juan does mind if I jump in and try responding to your questionā€¦šŸ™‚
Hello Juan,
The infallible Word of God reads that Mary had other children. Mt.12:46-49,Mt.13:55-57
However, I view this as not being a salvation issue.The RCC teaches that Mary remained a virgin. They also teach she was raised into heaven and did not die a mortal death. The Bible is silent on this issue too. the Bible does not tell us what happened to Mary.
You have to make a decision for yourself as to where the Holy Spirit is guiding you. Pray about this and also ask for guidnance from your pastor…
We walk by faith, not proof. šŸ™‚

God bless,
bluelake
Actually, let me go right to the end and totally agree with you - we do walk by Faith and not by any kind of ā€˜proof’! šŸ‘ Now, let’s jump back to the beginning and get started.

It looks like you were just a bit stingy here… in addition to Matt 12:46-49 and Matt 13:55-57 that you mentioned, there is also:Mark 3:31-34, Mark 6:3, Luke 8:19-20, John 2:12, John 7:3-10, Acts 1:14 and 1Cor 9:5! šŸ™‚ A bunch of them in God’s infallible.Word! But, what we need to do is to understand that the 1st Century Greek language is really different from our 20th Century English language - and this is not a minor issue. While some words convey a real message - they are not totally clear if we try to force their meaning into our current language.

For example, ā€œā€¦the term ā€˜brother’ (adelphos) has a wide meaning in the Bible. It is not restricted to the literal meaning of a full brother or a half brother. The same goes for sister (adelphe) and hte plural form brothers (adelphoi). The OT shows that the word for any male relative from who you are not descended (male relatives from who you are descended are known as ā€˜fathers’) cf. 2Sam 1:26, Amos 1:9.ā€ [The Essential Catholic Survival Guide, p. 119].

This is why the Catholic Church has an item of equal value to Scripture - and that is Apostolic Tradition. Really. The question to consider is what were the Apostles doing from Pentecost Sunday in about the year 33 unti about year 60 when the first NT book was written? The Catholic Church is actually older then the Bible - and Christ promised that Hell would not prevail against Peter, the rock Christ built His Church on - not against the Bible (which did not even exist back then.)

You are quite right that the Bible does not tell us what happened to Mary after Christ gave her to St. John as her son and he to her as his Mother. This, however was really more then a housing arrangement for Mary as an older widow who has just seen her Son die on the Cross to save us all form our sins. The Early Church Fathers (ECF) taught that St. John was taking our place at the Cross and Mary is being given to us as our Mother. These same ECF taught that Mary remained a virgin through out her life. None of the teachings of the CC creates Mary as a ā€˜goddes’, reduces the role of Christ in His Death saving us from Hell, or removes God from the work of Creation. Mary is God’s perfect creation - by His Special Grace, Mary was conceived WITHOUT Original Sin. Mary never committed an Actual Sin. Mary was totally obedient to the Will of God throughout her life. In fact, you could say that Mary was the very first Christian - she believed before there was a physical Christ to see or hear.

I think this is where that Faith you spoke about comes in. No doubt about it - God acted in a most special way concerning Mary. The CC looks upon these Graces that Mary received in awe and reverance. She is your spiritual Mother, too. šŸ‘

God bless
 
by His Special Grace, Mary was conceived WITHOUT Original Sin
Then why did My Father send Yeshua (pbwh)?

To make sense I would interoperate by His special grace Mary (bbhn) who was conceived by natural parents was made pure.
 
tomb,
When did Joseph, the husband of Mary, die?

bluelake
and if he had not died why was he not at the cross with Mary as his stepson hung on the cross?? Was he not a man of God and knew who Jesus was?
 
tomb,
yes, and another verse reads that when Joseph and Mary went to Nazareth to register for the census. Only Jesus is mentioned. She gave birth to her first born son. Lu.2:1–7
Lu.2::41-52, No other children are mentioned. Then again, in other verses a family of other children are mentioned. so, we must view this as a mystery.
Why do folks worry about this? It doesn’t change the fact that Jesus Christ is our Savior.

God bless,
bluelake
As stated before you must know how Jews in those days viewed family and relatives and both were considered family and even cousins were called brothers and sisters in their language since it was the same word. Again the first born phase you must again know Jewish customs and the first born being given to God.
Actually you are right it doesn’t change anything about Jesus being our savior so I do not know why Protestants make such a big deal about it. Catholic feel the need to defend Mary’s honor when attack. For some reason they think it takes away from Jesus but Mary only wants to lead people to Jesus her loving Son. Mary leads me closer to Jesus than my earthly mother ever could do.
 
Co-Redeemer? I thnk Jesus did it all on Calvary, don’t you?
Mary was chosen by the Lord to give birth to a son, Immanuel, God with us.
God came down from heaven when he chose to robe Himself in flesh.
The Lord sent Gabriel to announce Mary had found favor with God. read all about it in Lu.1:26-38 Mary certainly is blessed, but be careful , don’t put her above the Lord.

bluelake
It is not placing Mary above Jesus. Mary was chosen to give birth to Jesus for a reason and this reason makes her an important part of Jesus redeeming us but it in no way makes her above her son. The CC never has taught that but it does teach we are to honor her as her Son did and this we try to do. Many religions today even have a hard time calling her blessed.
 
Hello Juan,
The infallible Word of God reads that Mary had other children. Mt.12:46-49,Mt.13:55-57
God bless,
bluelake
A quick study of the Syro-Chaldean language (Aramaic), as well as the culture of that time quickly shoots this theory down. The bible is heavily contextual in nature, and removing it from the context of language and culture can and does lead one astray. Especially in post-reformation times, when many doctrines have appeared solely to oppose Catholic teaching. If it is not seen as a salvation issue, then its purpose is simply to oppose the Church.

Consider: God could raise up sons of Abraham from stones. He created the universe from nothing. He did not need a woman to give flesh to His Son, but He conceived of a Woman, from all eternity, for exactly that purpose. What could an unknown teenager, about whom nothing is written before the Angel Gabriel appeared to her, have accomplished in her short life to be called ā€œblessedā€, ā€œfull of graceā€ or ā€œhav(ing) found favor with Godā€? What other woman is called ā€œblessedā€ by all generations? To use man’s thinking to reduce her to just a normal woman with just a normal married life is to insult God’s plan.
 
Hi, Steven John

Our Father sent His Son, Jesus, to open the Gates of Heaven by His atonement for Sin by His death on the Cross. Jesus was fully Man and fully God. God the Father is the Father of Jesus and Mary is the Mother of Jesus, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity. God chose Mary from all women from all time. It is from the anticipted merits of Christ’s suffering, death and resurrection that Mary was conceived without sin - and not from any merit she had apart from God. Mary was conceived in the natural manner through the union of her parents. It is throght the Power of God that a special intervetion took place so that Mary was conceived without sin.
Then why did My Father send Yeshua (pbwh)?

To make sense I would interoperate by His special grace Mary (bbhn) who was conceived by natural parents was made pure.
I am not familiar with ā€œpbwhā€ or ā€œbbhnā€ so I can not comment on them. I would re=phrase your last sentence to read, ā€œā€¦by his special grace Mary, who was conceived by natural parents, was kept free of sin. And by that special Grace of God, throughout Mary’s life, she never committed an Actual Sin.ā€

God bless
 
Thanks, Vico

Where did this come from?

Tom
Peace and blessings Tom,
i offered it in my post to you.

I say peace be with Yeshua because he had right relationship with Our Father, this brings peace to be one with Our Father.

I dont really have this peace on my merits to come before our Father as Our Brother (pbwh) did because i am a sinner.

Our Brother (pbwh) has given us this peace so we can come before Our Father even thought we are sinners.

Blessed be the name of Mary the Mother of Yeshua (pbwh) for she is a great submitter to the will of Our Father.

In days of old names really had meaning rather than the society i live in see names more as labels or branding.

Mary (bbhn) is not like all the other Marys her name, her way is blessed.

well it is so im my heart and thats where it came from.

I liked your previous post, you explained better for me than the post i quoted from.

My question was because in the books i cant find what you and the other poster offered and if she was not born naturally Mary (bbhn) would have been sufficient as the full sin offering.
As you point out Mary (bbhn) was conceived of two humans.

But by her submittal and My Fathers love and command Mary is blessed.
 
tomb,
yes, and another verse reads that when Joseph and Mary went to Nazareth to register for the census. Only Jesus is mentioned. She gave birth to her first born son. Lu.2:1–7
Lu.2::41-52, No other children are mentioned. Then again, in other verses a family of other children are mentioned. so, we must view this as a mystery.
Why do folks worry about this? It doesn’t change the fact that Jesus Christ is our Savior.

God bless,
bluelake
Nothing changes the fact that Jesus Christ is our Lord, but God revealed much more than just the bare facts. He established a Church to contain, maintain and explain all truth for as long as this earth endures. Catholic docrine is God’s revealed truth to the world through the Church that Christ founded on Peter. Remember, there were four Mary’s mentioned in NT scripture. The Blessed Mary, her sister, also named Mary, Mary the mother of James and Joses, and Mary of Magdala.

It is most definitely NOT a mystery, as Mary was ā€œpurpose conceivedā€ specifically to give flesh to Jesus. It is only when you wrestle the bible away from the Church and try to interpret it for your own satisfaction that you become confused. The Church contains, maintains and explains God’s truth. The Church is the pillar and foundation of the truth.

Why did Jesus, as His last physical act on earth, give Mary to John and John to Mary? Why did Jesus not once call her ā€œmotherā€, but ā€œwomanā€? If you treat the bible like Cliff’s Notes, and disregard the Apostle’s Sacred Tradition, and the Church’s teaching authority, you can become confused.
 
Hello everyone,
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Hey friends my name is Jose and I would like to know how to prove to my friends that the Virgin Mary has always been a virgin.  God Bless You All  :)
The allegation cannot be proven.
 
Hi, Steven John,

Oh, where to begin…? šŸ™‚

I think the root of the problem is the belief that everything is in the Bible…and, if it isn’t in the Bible, it is not worthy of beleif? Admittedly, this may not be exactly what you said, but I think it expresses the concept when you ask, ā€œā€¦where in the booksā€¦ā€ (and, by that I understood you to mean, the Books of the Bible).

Maybe a Bible reference would be a good place to start: John 21:25** ā€œThere are also many other things that Jesus did, but if these were to be described individually, I do not think the whole world would contain the books that would be written.ā€ ** That tells me that there must be another source to get the other information … and by golly - there is! šŸ™‚ And, that is the Catholic Church! You see the CC is about 400 years older then the Canon of the Bible - and it is the CC - under the guidance and inspiration of the Holy Spirit - that set up that Canon.

In addition, we have seen all kinds of problems with trying to interpret 1st Century Greek that was an interpretation of earlier Hebrew and Aramaic… into 21st Century English. While there are many things that work nicely - expecting it all to fit perfectly is just not realistic. We are a diffierent culture and society, our ways of thinking are really quite different - and this is all reflected in the language we use. If someone puts the ā€˜meaning’ into English - the criticism is that the Greek says something quite different. If someone just translates the Greek - the criticism is that the ā€˜meaning’ is lost. This matter is totally without resolution - given the nature of the two positions. Maybe this is similar on two people agreeing that a certain area needs to be enclosed with a fence, but one claims it calls for a circle and the other claims it should be a square.

Most of what we know about Mary comes from the infallible teaching authority of the Catholic Church. Yes, there are wonderful Scriptural references - like when Elizabeth - under the direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit - called Mary the Mother of God. How do we know this - well, check out Luke 1:41-45
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"When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the infant leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth, filled with the holy Spirit,
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cried out in a loud voice and said, "Most blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb.
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And how does this happen to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
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For at the moment the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the infant in my womb leaped for joy.
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Blessed are you who believed that what was spoken to you by the Lord would be fulfilled."


Elizabeth tells us the answer! Now, honestly, with such a direct reference to the Holy Spirit teaching others about Mary and her role in Salvation - do you think this same Holy Spirit would all error to be taught about Mary? If you believe the Holy Spirit was acting through Elizabeth - then the burden is on you to provide references as to the Holy Spirit having suddenly stopped working.

I will do my best to give you the strarightest answer I can … and, I expect the same from youā€¦šŸ˜ƒ

So, here are two questions:

(1) Exactly what or which religion are you claiming membership? I have never heard of the group that you have listed.

(2) Why are you calling Jesus Christ ā€œYeshuaā€ ? Yes, Christ and His Parents and Apostles were all Jewish - but, after the resurrection, the Old Covenant was fufilled and replaced with the New Covenant. The Apostles, under the direction of the Holy Spirit and the leadership of Peter, the first Pope, formulated the beginnings of the Catholic Church.
Peace and blessings Tom,
i offered it in my post to you.

I say peace be with Yeshua because he had right relationship with Our Father, this brings peace to be one with Our Father.

I dont really have this peace on my merits to come before our Father as Our Brother (pbwh) did because i am a sinner.

Our Brother (pbwh) has given us this peace so we can come before Our Father even thought we are sinners.

Blessed be the name of Mary the Mother of Yeshua (pbwh) for she is a great submitter to the will of Our Father.

In days of old names really had meaning rather than the society i live in see names more as labels or branding.

Mary (bbhn) is not like all the other Marys her name, her way is blessed.

well it is so im my heart and thats where it came from.

I liked your previous post, you explained better for me than the post i quoted from.

My question was because in the books i cant find what you and the other poster offered and if she was not born naturally Mary (bbhn) would have been sufficient as the full sin offering.
As you point out Mary (bbhn) was conceived of two humans.

But by her submittal and My Fathers love and command Mary is blessed.
Glad you found my post helpful. The real answers are within the CC - just go there and look for yourself.

God bless
 
PROOF THAT MARY WAS ALWAYS A VIRGIN:

In Jesus’ time, children would take care of the parents when they got older. If Jesus had siblings, they would have taken care of Mary.

Here is proof He had no siblings (and that Joseph had died already):

John 19:25-27
Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, "Dear woman, here is your son,"and to the disciple, ā€œHere is your mother.ā€ From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.

Jesus would not have had a disciple of His take care of His Mother unless there were no siblings to do it!!!
I was going to post this very thing if no one here managed to do so in 27 pages of thread but I figured someone did. Yeah this is the final nail in the coffin of the idea that Jesus had any brothers. In fact my Fiance (converting from hard core Evangelical Baptist to Catholic now after being exposed to more of the bible) was absolutly stunned when she first heard this passage read when she decided to join me for what I’m trying to make nightly rosary prayers (it’s closer to a couple/3 times a week right now 😦 ). Apparently in her church they were obsessed with the Gosple of John until you get to the crucifixionand then I guess they read any Gosple but lol. Maybe they just want to pretend that passage isn’t there.

I would also say hand in hand with this, is the fact that apparently (at least according to John Martinoni of www.biblechristiansociety.com) neither ancient Hebrew nor Aramaic have a word for uncle/cousin/aunt/neice/etc… They always use brother or sister, for instance in many translations of the bible, especially ones closer to the vulgate Genesis 14 refers to Lot as being Abrahams ā€œbrotherā€, but we know very well that Lot is his nephew. It looks like in the NAB anyway the translator picked up this information and altered the word accordingly to make it a little ā€œeasierā€ to read for contemporary readers, but regardless there it is.
 
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crazzeto:
she decided to join me for what I’m trying to make nightly rosary prayers (it’s closer to a couple/3 times a week right now 😦 )
No frowny face please! You are already praying the rosary sufficiently to join the Rosary Confraternity. Welcome to the boards and this forum. šŸ˜‰
 
Hi, Crazzeto,

Welcome to CAF! šŸ™‚ I think you will find this list a real source of inspiration and blessings.

You hit upon an interesting point - these ā€˜literalists’ are not really that ā€˜literal’ … in fact, if something that they do not agree with is not outright ingored, it is simply dismissed as a misunderstanding (on our part! :rolleyes:) The Eucharistic Discourse in John 6 is a classic example. What can not be ignored will be danced around!

Thanks for your post.
I was going to post this very thing if no one here managed to do so in 27 pages of thread but I figured someone did. Yeah this is the final nail in the coffin of the idea that Jesus had any brothers. In fact my Fiance (converting from hard core Evangelical Baptist to Catholic now after being exposed to more of the bible) was absolutly stunned when she first heard this passage read when she decided to join me for what I’m trying to make nightly rosary prayers (it’s closer to a couple/3 times a week right now 😦 ). Apparently in her church they were obsessed with the Gosple of John until you get to the crucifixionand then I guess they read any Gosple but lol. Maybe they just want to pretend that passage isn’t there.

I would also say hand in hand with this, is the fact that apparently (at least according to John Martinoni of www.biblechristiansociety.com) neither ancient Hebrew nor Aramaic have a word for uncle/cousin/aunt/neice/etc… They always use brother or sister, for instance in many translations of the bible, especially ones closer to the vulgate Genesis 14 refers to Lot as being Abrahams ā€œbrotherā€, but we know very well that Lot is his nephew. It looks like in the NAB anyway the translator picked up this information and altered the word accordingly to make it a little ā€œeasierā€ to read for contemporary readers, but regardless there it is.
God bless
 
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