How can I respond to..."They are children of Satan"???!

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“There is the great lesson of Beauty and the Beast; that a thing must be loved before it is lovable” G.K. Chesterton: The Ethics of Elfland, Orthodoxy

I read this today as I waited for my third doctor’s appointment. I hate being sick.

I bring it up here because it jolted me back to the Gospel

To you who hear me, I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you; bless those who curse you and pray for those who maltreat you. Luke 6:27

Our God is Love. Love dominates His message. I will follow that course.:takeoff:
 
answermethis said:
I don’t dare to imagine that I can touch every Muslim by word or deed. I ask and continue to ask how we can cast them aside and label them sons of Satan (God made them) when all on this planet are still able to be covered by the Blood of the Lamb and come into the Light. They are lost and we are sent to find and proclaim are we not???:knight2:
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“The practice of marrying young girls is widespread in Yemen where a quarter of all females marry before the age of 15, according to a 2009 report by the country’s Ministry of Social Affairs. Traditional families prefer young brides because they are seen as more obedient and are expected to have more children.”
The reason why this has been allowed—religious leaders are against ending this practice.

foxnews.com/world/2010/04/10/dead-yemeni-child-bride-tied-raped-says-mom/?test=latestnews

In what other religion is this permissible?
 
aborodki said:
“The practice of marrying young girls is widespread in Yemen where a quarter of all females marry before the age of 15, according to a 2009 report by the country’s Ministry of Social Affairs. Traditional families prefer young brides because they are seen as more obedient and are expected to have more children.”
The reason why this has been allowed—religious leaders are against ending this practice.

foxnews.com/world/2010/04/10/dead-yemeni-child-bride-tied-raped-says-mom/?test=latestnews

In what other religion is this permissible?
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Many of their practices are against the teachings of Christ and the loving will of God…that shows they are lost and need to be found…and need to be witnessed to so they can have a chance to be saved…Unless you can prove to me that our God and His Grace are somehow fininte and His Loving Redemption is not enough to save them, I stand firm in my resolve to try to reach out to them and all who are yet to be saved.:knight2:
 
answermethis said:
:eek: My older brother and young nephew were challenging my Catholic faith and at one point I began to discuss witnessing the faith to others and praying together at functions where Catholics, Non-Catholic Christians, Jews and Muslims gather to work together and support the community. Both of them were horrified that I would pray with Muslims who are “Children of Satan”. I defended all people on earth as children of God and expressed my outrage and shock that they would speak of anyone in such a way AND preach that praying to My God together with them is wrong. I am at a stunned loss. Where does this come from??? What should I tell them esp biblically to sway them back to the truth that Christ’s sacrifice is infinite and that everyone here on earth is to be guided to Christ even if it means going to “where” they are first as a witness of His Love???
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Muslims are Children of Satan? Based on what grounds? That would be like a Muslim saying: All Christians are sickos because look at Jim Jones or David Koresh.

Every religion has its radicals. Who are they to judge others? Ask your brother and nephew where the Christian Bible gives mere mortals the authority to judge others?
 
Nicea325 said:
Muslims are Children of Satan? Based on what grounds? That would be like a Muslim saying: All Christians are sickos because look at Jim Jones or David Koresh.

Every religion has its radicals. Who are they to judge others? Ask your brother and nephew where the Christian Bible gives mere mortals the authority to judge others?
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I have but I was trying to get a fuller take on this attitude from a wider cicle than my mom’s kitchen table. The posts have been heart-breaking and heart-warming.:juggle:
 
answermethis said:
Read it…sooooooooooooooo…are you saying that Satan has his grasp on all 1.6-1.8 billion of these people, that his hold is stronger than our faith, that since the words of this religion have been taught to them they are doomed and we should not witness our faith to them because they are all part of the antiChrist movement on earth…
…really!!!..no really???:takethat:

I, for one, reject the notion that anyone one earth is so far removed from our God that His Grace cannot save them if they will accept it…but how can they accept unless someone is “Christ to them” and explains??? Did this not happen for the eunich?:hmmm: Acts 8: 26-40

If you condemn them all, are you willing to give your defense before our Judge? Will you listen to the gospel message??:knight2:
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Your disbelief amounts only to your own judgement. The truth is shown by itself.

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com

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answermethis said:
“There is the great lesson of Beauty and the Beast; that a thing must be loved before it is lovable” G.K. Chesterton: The Ethics of Elfland, Orthodoxy

I read this today as I waited for my third doctor’s appointment. I hate being sick.

I bring it up here because it jolted me back to the Gospel

To you who hear me, I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you; bless those who curse you and pray for those who maltreat you. Luke 6:27

Our God is Love. Love dominates His message. I will follow that course.:takeoff:
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Does God love Satan?

If you can answer this with a yes, I could perhaps try to accomodate your 'understanding.

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com
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answermethis said:
Yes
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Okay, you win. I have decided to accommodate you. Nevermind even if I know that it means that some people are going to say I’m crazy. I’ll accept that not everyone is normal.

To you, God loves Satan.

Perhaps you should now start thinking of how God can send you to preach to the devil and encourage the baptism and redemption of SINS. Finally…because of you Hell can be empty.

You should be rewarded. 🙂

PS. For those of you who has seen answermethis’ reply, please note our mental ‘well’-being and adjust your replies accordingly.

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com
 
distracted said:
no prob w/ that…

but tolerance is worshpped in the US… and uh… i’m not worshipping such a thing when it means the death of Americans…

we have to be realistic about muslims… Most probably are peace loving… Most of the people in Iran dont w ant to have anything to do with jihad and its terirble goals… i feel sorry for them…

but sometimes people worship so called Charity… and think they have to show affection toward someone even if that someone is trying to kill people… uh… Tiller, etc…

people dont need the affection of humans… they need the real love that only God can give… and if one has God… loves God … he will not be into killing… its really as simple as that… Humans are aggravating… but they are created in God’s image…

seems to me some muslims dont get that… but then some Christians dont either… including yours truly in some bad moments… 🤷
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Mosacked said:
Okay, you win. I have decided to accommodate you. Nevermind even if I know that it means that some people are going to say I’m crazy. I’ll accept that not everyone is normal.

To you, God loves Satan.

Perhaps you should now start thinking of how God can send you to preach to the devil and encourage the baptism and redemption of SINS. Finally…because of you Hell can be empty.

You should be rewarded. 🙂

PS. For those of you who has seen answermethis’ reply, please note our mental ‘well’-being and adjust your replies accordingly.

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com
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The only one I want to win is The Almighty God of the Universe Who is Love…
You did not inquire if God loved the actions of His creature…
I am the lowest of servents to my Master and pray that in whatever way I can, I will call out to the lost and bring them home. If I can manage to bring one, that is more than I dare hope for.
You judge what you do not understand.
and yes…If I could somehow rehabilitate Satan I would…

Who are your untouchable, who are your lepers who you would not reach out to, pray for, and beg God to guide you in your work with???
 
The original post raises an interesting question for me as someone new to Catholicism. I hope I’m not hijacking the thread by asking it.

Does the Catholic Church actually consider it “okay” to pray with people of other religions, such as Muslims? I agree that we need to show respect and kindness to people of other religions (and that calling them “children of Satan” doesn’t fall into the kindness category). But as Christians, our responsibility and our goal is to win others to Christ. It seems that praying with them is counterproductive to that goal because it sends the message that all religions are equal, or that all paths lead to God.

No matter how good-hearted and sincere most Muslims may be, the fact remains that they are following a false religion. We ought to try, in love and concern, to lead them out of that religion and to Jesus Christ, who is “the Way, the Truth, and the Life.” Look at the example of St. Paul: He didn’t sit down and pray with the pagans at Aeropagus (or anywhere else); he preached Christ to them. We need to do the same.
 
EnglishTeacher said:
The original post raises an interesting question for me as someone new to Catholicism. I hope I’m not hijacking the thread by asking it.

Does the Catholic Church actually consider it “okay” to pray with people of other religions, such as Muslims? I agree that we need to show respect and kindness to people of other religions (and that calling them “children of Satan” doesn’t fall into the kindness category). But as Christians, our responsibility and our goal is to win others to Christ. It seems that praying with them is counterproductive to that goal because it sends the message that all religions are equal, or that all paths lead to God.

No matter how good-hearted and sincere most Muslims may be, the fact remains that they are following a false religion. We ought to try, in love and concern, to lead them out of that religion and to Jesus Christ, who is “the Way, the Truth, and the Life.” Look at the example of St. Paul: He didn’t sit down and pray with the pagans at Aeropagus (or anywhere else); he preached Christ to them. We need to do the same.
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Considering the fact that the Popes have set this precedent, I would think the answer is yes.
Where is your God not present on earth?
Where has He forbidden you?
Where can you not pray???
I was asked if I would pray in a mosque or at a wiccan ceremony.
I will pray for the conversion of souls anywhere my God sends me.
I was told I would be stoned…so be it.
Where do you stand? Are we not to be poured out as Christ was…? Did He not send us as He was sent…? Did He not pour Himself out and reach out to the untouchables.
…Just asking…
 
answermethis said:
Considering the fact that the Popes have set this precedent, I would think the answer is yes.
Where is your God not present on earth?
Where has He forbidden you?
Where can you not pray???
I was asked if I would pray in a mosque or at a wiccan ceremony.
I will pray for the conversion of souls anywhere my God sends me.
I was told I would be stoned…so be it.
Where do you stand? Are we not to be poured out as Christ was…? Did He not send us as He was sent…? Did He not pour Himself out and reach out to the untouchables.
…Just asking…
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Popes are not infallible in their personal lives, only when they speak ex cathedra (if my understanding is correct).

Praying FOR the conversion of souls is a completely different thing than praying WITH people of other faiths or participating in their ceremonies. For the reasons that I’ve already stated above, I believe the latter is wrong.

As to where such a thing is forbidden . . . . there are numerous examples in Scripture that forbid participation in false worship. One that comes to mind, just off the top of my head, is that God didn’t look too favorably (to put it mildly) on the Israelites who participated in the worship of their heathen neighbors.

Again, as I have stated already, of course we should pray FOR others, regardless of their religion; and of course we should treat them with love and respect. But praying with them sends a mixed, confusing message to them and to the world, that does no one any good.
 
I did not indicate that I would be participating in ceremonies of other faiths or practices. However, "ecumenical’ gatherings help break down the walls and start the process of dialogue.

Popes speak ex cathedra to clarify points of doctrine that are Divinely revealed. “Ecumenical” gathering are not points of doctrine.

Not all activities have been addressed by an ex cathedra statement.

I know of no where in the catechism where such visits are forbidden.
 
answermethis said:
I did not indicate that I would be participating in ceremonies of other faiths or practices. However, "ecumenical’ gatherings help break down the walls and start the process of dialogue.

Popes speak ex cathedra to clarify points of doctrine that are Divinely revealed. “Ecumenical” gathering are not points of doctrine.

Not all activities have been addressed by an ex cathedra statement.

I know of no where in the catechism where such visits are forbidden.
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And I’m not even going to fault you for saying such gibberish…because to me you’re Satan’s savior (see your previous posts). And I have agreed against my better judgement to accept that.

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com

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(Mick, your post #57 is superb! Ditto, PeaceSer. #58. English Teacher, you “stole my fire”👍, but I’ll say the same thing with a twist, OK?:))
answermethis said:
praying together at functions where Catholics, Non-Catholic Christians, Jews and Muslims gather to work together and support the community. Both of them were horrified that I would pray with Muslims who are “Children of Satan”.
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Perhaps your brother and nephew were a bit Lutheresque in their choice of terms (L. being a hothead & a master of hyperbole :okpeople: :slapfight:), but could they possibly be coming from the following viewpoint? It seems to me that it’s one thing to join, say, an anti-abortion march that includes Muslims, Mormons, JW’s, Catholics and Protestants, bec. that doesn’t involve worshipping God; it’s simply a secular political action (notwithstanding whatever prayers might be privately uttered in the process by individual participants). But when you’re involved in a prayer group with people who don’t acknowledge Christ as God and Savior, aren’t you then engaging in something that at least borders on false worship, bec. Jesus says, “No one comes to the Father except by Me,” and He also says “He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.” (This is different from, say, a Muslim coming to a Catholic friend’s wedding [dunno if M’s would even do that, just using this as a theoretical situation] and participating in the service.) Also, don’t forget things like the French Muslim riots: Islam is not passive, anymore than the Crusaders were. That kind of “interfaith” group can be used by them as a tool for their cause.

Also, altho it’s true that a Christian should try to treat all people with courtesy and civility, it is not true that we are “all God’s children.” We’re all Adam’s children, created in God’s image—thus God’s creatures, yes, but God’s children only thru faith in Christ. Recall the strong language Paul himself uses: *And you he made alive, when you were dead through the trespasses and sins, in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air [euphemism for Satan], the spirit that is now at work in the **sons of disobedience *[anybody who is not in Christ]. Among these we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, following the desires of body and mind, and so we were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. (Eph. 2:1ff—emphases mine) Nota bene: by nature, we are all children of wrath.
answermethis said:
The more they see the Light, the more they will follow.
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Really? How about the Pharisees who had The Light Incarnate walking and teaching in their midst for 3 solid years: did they “follow”? On the contrary: they crucified.
 
Mosacked said:
And I’m not even going to fault you for saying such gibberish…because to me you’re Satan’s savior (see your previous posts). And I have agreed against my better judgement to accept that.

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com

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I have seen your link and find it a pointless read.
My reply was in response to a post with a reference back to the Catholic Faith.
I did not intend to confuse you. You honor me with your confidence in my theoretical evangelical abilities. I accept only that I am a mere servant of the Lord. I trust that He will guide me and I strive only to reach out in love and respect to all. You may well may have a different call. I am at peace in the knowledge that I strive to love. I remain open to the Will of the Father. I try to pray for the most downtrodden, least loveable. They are the ones most in need. Holy people such as you are already standing in the light and are surrounded by a community that lifts up your prayer needs. It is not this way for the ones I most often pray for…I guess I must be praying for the lost causes but this is the Call I have. It must be comical for you and others of your mindset. I apologize if how I pray or for whom I pray is inconvenient.:knight1:
 
Berean2 said:
(Mick, your post #57 is superb! Ditto, PeaceSer. #58. English Teacher, you “stole my fire”👍, but I’ll say the same thing with a twist, OK?:))

Perhaps your brother and nephew were a bit Lutheresque in their choice of terms (L. being a hothead & a master of hyperbole :okpeople: :slapfight:), but could they possibly be coming from the following viewpoint? It seems to me that it’s one thing to join, say, an anti-abortion march that includes Muslims, Mormons, JW’s, Catholics and Protestants, bec. that doesn’t involve worshipping God; it’s simply a secular political action (notwithstanding whatever prayers might be privately uttered in the process by individual participants). But when you’re involved in a prayer group with people who don’t acknowledge Christ as God and Savior, aren’t you then engaging in something that at least borders on false worship, bec. Jesus says, “No one comes to the Father except by Me,” and He also says “He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.” (This is different from, say, a Muslim coming to a Catholic friend’s wedding [dunno if M’s would even do that, just using this as a theoretical situation] and participating in the service.) Also, don’t forget things like the French Muslim riots: Islam is not passive, anymore than the Crusaders were. That kind of “interfaith” group can be used by them as a tool for their cause.

Also, altho it’s true that a Christian should try to treat all people with courtesy and civility, it is not true that we are “all God’s children.” We’re all Adam’s children, created in God’s image—thus God’s creatures, yes, but God’s children only thru faith in Christ. Recall the strong language Paul himself uses: And you he made alive, when you were dead through the trespasses and sins, in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air [euphemism for Satan], the spirit that is now at work in the **sons of disobedience **[anybody who is not in Christ]. Among these we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, following the desires of body and mind, and so we were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. (Eph. 2:1ff—emphases mine) Nota bene: by nature, we are all children of wrath.

Really? How about the Pharisees who had The Light Incarnate walking and teaching in their midst for 3 solid years: did they “follow”? On the contrary: they crucified.
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My original comment to my family members referenced a Habitat for Humanity build where Catholic, non-Catholic Christian, Jewish and Muslim faith communities come together to work and pray at times. I have never indicated that I am participating in a religious service, My family members informed my that all Muslims are “sons of Satan”, hence the thread.

I suppose that following your line of logic each faith group could “use” or be “used”

God, not Satan, is the Creator. We are His because He made us and everyone else everywhere. In God’s economy, He is Father, we are children…yes even if you are old like me or even if you haven’t figure it out yet. I am confused by the wrath and mocking attitude that some have displayed but then we are not at the same place in our faith journey. My Master calls me to love. I love them all. I do not segment off my enemies or segment off those who differ from my faith. My Master did not direct me to love only those who follow Him and despise my enemies. His words were clear…love. I know His Voice. I know Him and He knows me.

I have an entirely new group of needy ones to pray for…:knight1:
 
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