How can people say homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

Homosexuality is also defined as having an attraction towards people of the same gender. This is not the same as having sex.

Homosexuality cannot have two definitions. It is same-gender sexual conduct.

A homosexual is a person who defines himself or herself by the participation in or desire to participate in such conduct.

As to your remark about lesbians, what do you want me to say? A lesbian is attracted to other females AKA the same gender, making them homosexual.

Lou

Again, thank you. I understand that by definition, lesbians are homosexual. But I get the impression that some lesbians do not like to be included with males. Should I refer to them as “lady homosexuals”? Just trying to not offend anyone.

 

[Catholic13]

See post 304. I’m using the same simplistic logic you used in the OP.

Instead of this silly back and forth I’ll wait for you to prove your claim to be true.

Or prove my statement false.

This still applies “It’s not the Catholic behavior that causes the harm…it’s the homosexual behavior. It has nothing to do with them being Catholic. It has to do with them being homosexual and acting on it. Your argument has failed repeatedly and you’re just repeating your failed logic”

If you fail to do either of these things you won’t get another response from me on this specific topic. [the topic: being Catholic causes harm]

 

[Lou2U]

I have a clear argument. I have said it repeatedly. Homosexual behavior spreads disease and causes harm. You can’t prove it wrong. Nobody can prove it wrong because the facts about homosexual behavior back my argument. **Now if you repeat “heterosexual behavior also causes disease” I’m going to be convinced you’re a troll and put you on ignore. Because it has nothing to do with this discussion. If you’d like to make a thread on that topic I’d be happy to join your thread. **But if you repeat yourself here after saying it some 10-12 times in this thread already. I’ll have no choice but to put you on ignore.

I’m not insulting anyone. I said you are acting like a troll at this point because you keep repeating yourself. You are acting like a troll…that’s the truth. It’s not an insult. I think you wish I was insulting someone so you could report me.

I’m sorry that you think I’m acting like a troll. I can assure you that wasn’t my intent.

All sexual acts can spread diseases, no matter the gender. If that’s enough to put me on your ignore list than so be it.

Lou

 

[oldcatholicguy]

Instead of this silly back and forth I’ll wait for you to prove your claim to be true.

Or prove my statement false.

This still applies “It’s not the Catholic behavior that causes the harm…it’s the homosexual behavior. It has nothing to do with them being Catholic. It has to do with them being homosexual and acting on it. Your argument has failed repeatedly and you’re just repeating your failed logic”

If you fail to do either of these things you won’t get another response from me on this specific topic. [the topic: being Catholic causes harm]

I understand that you might feel embarrassed by being unable to refute my claim so I’ll take your future silence on the subject as your acknowledgement that I’m right.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

All sexual acts can spread diseases,

Lou

But homosexual acts spread MORE disease.

 

[Lou2U]

Again, thank you. I understand that by definition, lesbians are homosexual. But I get the impression that some lesbians do not like to be included with males. Should I refer to them as “lady homosexuals”? Just trying to not offend anyone.

I think they get offended because homosexuality seems to have more male connotations than female but I don’t know.
I would just refer to them as lesbians.

Lou

 

[oldcatholicguy]

But homosexual acts spread MORE disease.

Homosexual acts, or sexual acts that are more common among male homosexuals?

 

[kenmiller]

Yes homosexuality can spread disease but so can straight sex. A better argument maybe loss of morality , depression that come with homosexuality

 

[Rau]

So why don’t gays do that?

Or us Catholics?

 

[SMGS127]

Yes homosexuality can spread disease but so can straight sex. A better argument maybe loss of morality , depression that come with homosexuality

Another example of an argument with no evidential basis.

Why can’t we just use the Church’s defense of Her teaching again? Is that not sufficient? Why do people feel the need to go above and beyond Her teaching into pseudoscience and ridiculous threads like this?

Personally, I will stick to the Church’s teaching on the subject.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

of course not Zoltan. I am a practicing Catholic.

I am merely showing that one cannot attach a moral basis to an action based on its consequences. This philosophy constitutes consequentialism and proportionalism, and both are antithetical to Catholic teachings.

Gee I didn’t bring morals into the discussion. I’m just showing that homosexuality is harmful.

Social isolation, assault, living in an intolerant society, and the negative effects of coping mechanisms associated with dealing with such (e.g. smoking) will do that to a group of people. I’m sure African-Americans in the 1950s and Irish-Americans in the 1800s suffered similar statistics.

African Americans and the Irish had no choice of their heritage.

Today we are all aware of the problems facing same sex relationships. Lesbians should take that into consideration.

Because homosexuality isn’t exclusive to men . Women can be attracted exclusively to members of the same sex too; it’s known as lesbianism or homosexuality.

I know that…

I was faced by an irate lesbian who did not want to be called a homosexual. Lou has indicated that apparently she would not object. Now you say that “it’s known as lesbianism OR homosexuality”

Are you trying to get me in trouble???

 

[oldcatholicguy]

Another example of an argument with no evidential basis.

Why can’t we just use the Church’s defense of Her teaching again? Is that not sufficient? Why do people feel the need to go above and beyond Her teaching into pseudoscience and ridiculous threads like this?

Personally, I will stick to the Church’s teaching on the subject.

Probably because some people think they know better than the Church.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

Homosexual acts, or sexual acts that are more common among male homosexuals?

One who engages in sexual acts with the same sex is a homosexual. Therefore sexual acts among male (or female) homosexuals are homosexual acts.

 

[oldcatholicguy]

Today we are all aware of the problems facing same sex relationships. Lesbians should take that into consideration.

You do realize what you’re actually saying is that any immoral and/or uncharitable acts a lesbian suffers through because she is a lesbian is her fault and not actually the fault of the person taking unjust actions against her right? “Well if she wasn’t a lesbian she wouldn’t have gotten beaten up/mocked/unjustly isolated from society/etc.”

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

Yes homosexuality can spread disease but so can straight sex. A better argument maybe loss of morality , depression that come with homosexuality

But homosexual acts spread MORE disease.

 

[oldcatholicguy]

One who engages in sexual acts with the same sex is a homosexual. Therefore sexual acts among male (or female) homosexuals are homosexual acts.

Yes, thank you. Now perhaps you’ll answer my question? Or did you realize that actually answering my question correctly (which would be that it’s the sexual act itself, such as anal sex, and not the gender of the actors that is the factor in the likelihood of STD transfer) you’d have to invalidate part of your argument?

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

You do realize what you’re actually saying is that any immoral and/or uncharitable acts a lesbian suffers through because she is a lesbian is her fault and not actually the fault of the person taking unjust actions against her right? “Well if she wasn’t a lesbian she wouldn’t have gotten beaten up/mocked/unjustly isolated from society/etc.”

Yep!

Its not right but that’s the way it is?

 

[Thorolfr]

Probably because some people think they know better than the Church.

The final report from the Synod on the Family said that "men and women of homosexual tendencies must be welcomed with respect and sensitivity.” But I think that Pope Francis is going to have an uphill battle with some Catholics who will never agree to make people with SSA feel welcome. They will try to denigrate them at every turn.

 

[oldcatholicguy]

Yep!

Its not right but that’s the way it is?

So your thoughts on this aren’t actually based in Church teachings (the actor of an immoral act is responsible for the act, not the victim of it). Good to know.

 

[Catholic13]

The final report from the Synod on the Family said that "men and women of homosexual tendencies must be welcomed with respect and sensitivity.” But I think that Pope Francis is going to have an uphill battle with some Catholics who will never agree to make people with SSA feel welcome. They will try to denigrate them at every turn.

Where did the Pope say we must welcome their sin with respect and sensitivity?