How can people say homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone

[KendraDZ1902]

I know what monogamy means.:yawn: I was suggesting that very few gays are monogamous “married” or not.

Would you like to answer the question in the OP?

Lots of straight people aren’t monogamous, either. Again, I don’t agree with your argument…I think I’ve said that.

 

[SMGS127]

I know what monogamy means.:yawn: I was suggesting that very few gays are monogamous “married” or not.

That’s blatantly false. Most gays are monogamous.

Also, you should be extremely careful with your proportionalist attitude. A gay male couple who are both virgins upon entering into a civil marriage would also be completely disease-free. And lesbians virtually never transmit or obtain STDs. This does not mean that these sexual arrangements would still be moral. Whether or not something has the potentiality to cause disease or not does not influence the morality of an action.

Also, a married heterosexual couple can still spread STDs to each other (e.g. if one had a blood transfusion gone wrong). This does not mean that marital sex is immoral.

 

[Catholic13]

Lots of straight people aren’t monogamous, either. Again, I don’t agree with your argument…I think I’ve said that.

I never said they weren’t.

You don’t agree with my argument that homosexual activity spreads disease? You already said you did agree that homosexual activity does spread disease and cause harm.

I’m confused why you keep responding but don’t answer the question I posed in the OP.

 

[BrassAnkles]

Homosexuality hurts many people, especially spiritually and emotionally.

 

[Catholic13]

Homosexuality hurts many people, especially spiritually and emotionally.

Agreed. Physically too.

 

[Catholic13]

That’s blatantly false. Most gays are monogamous.

Also, you should be extremely careful with your proportionalist attitude. A gay male couple who are both virgins upon entering into a civil marriage would also be completely disease-free. And lesbians virtually never transmit or obtain STDs. This does not mean that these sexual arrangements would still be moral. Whether or not something has the potentiality to cause disease or not does not influence the morality of an action.

Also, a married heterosexual couple can still spread STDs to each other (e.g. if one had a blood transfusion gone wrong). This does not mean that marital sex is immoral.

Sure they are.

I never said there were no disease free gays.

Aren’t you the one that said homosexual activity in another thread was a minor sin? I’m sure it was you.

 

[KendraDZ1902]

I never said they weren’t.

You don’t agree with my argument that homosexual activity spreads disease? You already said you did agree that homosexual activity does spread disease and cause harm.

I’m confused why you keep responding but don’t answer the question I posed in the OP.

I don’t agree with the argument because heterosexual relationship can spread disease and both homo and hetero relationships can be harmful. Heck, friendships can be harmful. Having relationships with family members can be harmful.

The whole “it can be harmful” let’s not do it, isn’t a good argument. Having surgery could be harmful if something goes wrong, people still have risky surgeries. Tons of things can be harmful. Heck, a nurse giving someone a shot could be harmful to herself or the patient. Walking down the stairs can be harmful. Heck, I’ve hurt myself waking up the stairs.

Any more confusion?

 

[SMGS127]

Sure they are.

They are. You can believe whatever negative things you wish against others, but that does not make it true.

Aren’t you the one that said homosexual activity in another thread was a minor sin? I’m sure it was you.

No, I said homosexual sins were minor relative to the sins of Sodom. It is calumny to suggest that I said homosexual sexual acts were minor sins in an absolute sense. I would never suggest something like that.

 

[Thorolfr]

How can people say homosexuality doesn’t hurt anyone, when it does damage to society by spreading disease? In fact any type of sexual activity outside of committed marriages causes harm by spreading disease. Does anyone have any insight?

Your question doesn’t make sense. We could also say, “How can people say heterosexuality doesn’t hurt anyone, when it does damage to society by spreading disease?” To which someone might respond, “You’re right, heterosexuality can hurt people and do damage to society by spreading disease. Therefore heterosexuality is a bad thing”.

But of course no one would find that response convincing and believe that heterosexuality is bad even though it can hurt people and damage society by spreading disease, especially if heterosexual sex is practiced promiscuously or safe sex practices are not used. But it’s not the heterosexuality that is bad but the promiscuity or failing to practice safe sex that is bad.

 

[Catholic13]

I don’t agree with the argument because heterosexual relationship can spread disease and both homo and hetero relationships can be harmful. Heck, friendships can be harmful. Having relationships with family members can be harmful.

The whole “it can be harmful” let’s not do it, isn’t a good argument. Having surgery could be harmful if something goes wrong, people still have risky surgeries. Tons of things can be harmful. Heck, a nurse giving someone a shot could be harmful to herself or the patient. Walking down the stairs can be harmful. Heck, I’ve hurt myself waking up the stairs.

Any more confusion?

Are you saying that because heterosexual relationships can spread disease that it somehow magically nullifies the disease spread by homosexuality?

Homosexual activity spreads disease, it’s a fact. You can’t deny it unless you want to ignore the facts.

 

[Catholic13]

Your question doesn’t make sense. We could also say, “How can people say heterosexuality doesn’t hurt anyone, when it does damage to society by spreading disease?” To which someone might respond, “You’re right, heterosexuality can hurt people and do damage to society by spreading disease. Therefore heterosexuality is a bad thing”.

But of course no one would find that response convincing and believe that heterosexuality is bad even though it can hurt people and damage society by spreading disease, especially if heterosexual sex is practiced promiscuously or safe sex practices are not used. But it’s not the heterosexuality that is bad but the promiscuity or failing to practice safe sex that is bad.

Don’t you dare enter this thread and try to change the subject. I am very familiar with your tactics. As the creator of this thread I can ask that you stay on topic.

I’m not interested in any irrelevant topics or issues either.

 

[KendraDZ1902]

Are you saying that because heterosexual relationships can spread disease that it somehow magically nullifies the disease spread by homosexuality?

Homosexual activity spreads disease, it’s a fact. You can’t deny it unless you want to ignore the facts.

I think I’ve made myself clear that I understand that both gay and straight sex can spread disease.
I’ve also told you why I don’t agree with your “it is harmful, don’t do it” argument.

 

[Thorolfr]

Don’t you dare enter this thread and try to change the subject. I am very familiar with your tactics. As the creator of this thread I can ask that you stay on topic.

I’m not interested in any irrelevant topics or issues either.

OK. Your statement was, “How can people say homosexuality doesn’t hurt anyone, when it does damage to society by spreading disease? In fact any type of sexual activity outside of committed marriages causes harm by spreading disease. Does anyone have any insight?”

My answer is that homosexuality doesn’t hurt anyone or damage society by spreading disease. It is promiscuity and the lack of safe-sex practices which damage society by spreading disease. One safe-sex practice would be a committed relationship inside of a marriage. Gay couples can also have committed relationships inside of a marriage which would help prevent the spread of disease.

 

[frobert]

Homosexual activity is the biggest contributor to some diseases. AIDS for example.

Yes you are correct for HIV infections for gay men.

You pointed out a high risk group and I am advocating preventing HIV through risk reduction based on the CDC guidelines. Why bring it up if you can not offer and won’t listen to proven prevention techniques that reduce the incidence of infections? You are accomplishing nothing more than making a point of a high risk group? Why not also point out that lesbians have the lowest incidence of HIV infections?

Can you tell me why gay supporters say homosexuality doesn’t hurt anyone? I’m genuinely baffled by this.

I don’t know what a gay supporter is but I do know all irresponsible sexual activity is harmful.

 

[frobert]

Homosexual activity is the biggest contributor to some diseases. AIDS for example.

Yes you are correct for HIV infections for gay men.

You pointed out a high risk group and I am advocating preventing HIV through risk reduction based on the CDC guidelines. Why bring it up if you can not offer and won’t listen to proven prevention techniques that reduce the incidence of infections? Are you trying to accomplish anything more than making a point of a high risk group? Why not point out that lesbians have the lowest incidence of HIV infections?

 

[Thorolfr]

Why not also point out that lesbians have the lowest incidence of HIV infections?

I guess lesbian sex must be better than gay sex among men or heterosexual sex since lesbians are at a lower risk of HIV infection.

 

[Lou2U]

How can people say homosexuality doesn’t hurt anyone, when it does damage to society by spreading disease? In fact any type of sexual activity outside of committed marriages causes harm by spreading disease. Does anyone have any insight?

Both homosexual and heterosexual acts can spread disease. Therefore, you cannot use the argument “homosexuality is harmful as it spreads diseases” because so can heterosexual acts. Additionally to this, homosexuality does not cause disease, *homosexual acts *can.

Lou

 

[Catholic13]

My answer is that homosexuality doesn’t hurt anyone or damage society by spreading disease. It is promiscuity and the lack of safe-sex practices which damage society by spreading disease. One safe-sex practice would be a committed relationship inside of a marriage. Gay couples can also have committed relationships inside of a marriage which would help prevent the spread of disease.

Wrong, homosexual activity spreads disease.

 

[Thorolfr]

Wrong, homosexual activity spreads disease.

And so does a lot of heterosexual activity

 

[SMGS127]

Wrong, homosexual activity spreads disease.

Okay, I’ll bite.

How does homosexual activity between two gay male virgins spread disease?

How does homosexual activity by a woman spread disease?

Please back up your answer with citations by the CDC or similar organization as to how these are dangerous, disease-spreading situations