How can people say homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone

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oldcatholicguy said:
And there is a strong trend by some posters on this thread who hold that merely having SSA is sinful and unnatural (as in it’s not biologically caused). It’s a rejection of Church teaching that SSA isn’t sinful, but the acting upon it is; and the rejection of Church teaching concerning the dignity that we owe are fellow brothers and sisters.
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2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm
 
cena said:
It does not matter if animals do it or not. Human beings that do it still get STd’s, still have high rates of depression suicide, low life expectancy, and the list goes on. And before anyone says “well they are depressed because of homophobia” or something, please explain why places like Sweden and San Francisco have the high rates of suicides for these people
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I know all this. I started the thread.
 
cena said:
This was addressed to those who are trying to justify. Not aimed directly at you sorry
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No problem. Just to be clear I’m against homosexual behavior because of all the pain and destruction it causes to society.
 
Catholic13 said:
What are my true feelings? So you can’t provide any homosexual behavior in animals?
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Your true feelings? Well based on your various responses on this thread-
-you believe that having SSA is sinful which isn’t actually what the Church teaches- based on your “duck hunting” response earlier in this thread
-you believe that it’s perfectly ok to denigrate homosexuals because they are homosexual- based on your free usage of negative homosexual stereotypes
-and that you believe the morality of something should be based on the consequences of that item, aka consequentialism- based on your OP and most of your posts in this thread

Given all that, I don’t actually desire to continue to communicate with you.
 
cena said:
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm
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Disordered does not equate to sinful. Being a homosexual isn’t a sin. Engaging in homosexual behavior is.
 
oldcatholicguy said:
Your true feelings? Well based on your various responses on this thread-
-you believe that having SSA is sinful which isn’t actually what the Church teaches- based on your “duck hunting” response earlier in this thread
-you believe that it’s perfectly ok to denigrate homosexuals because they are homosexual- based on your free usage of negative homosexual stereotypes
-and that you believe the morality of something should be based on the consequences of that item, aka consequentialism- based on your OP and most of your posts in this thread

Given all that, I don’t actually desire to continue to communicate with you.
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Thanks for letting me know what my true feelings are. [that was sarcasm by the way]

You have no desire to continue communicating with me because you haven’t been able to refute anything I’ve said.
 
cena said:
And before anyone says “well they are depressed because of homophobia” or something, please explain why places like Sweden and San Francisco have the high rates of suicides for these people
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What makes you think that gay people in places like San Francisco do not experience homophobia? I lived in San Francisco for many years, and gay kids there also get bullied at school, there are also parts of San Francisco that are not gay friendly and there are people living in San Francisco who are hostile to gay people. Harvey Milk, the first openly gay man to get elected to public office in California was assassinated by Dan White, a San Francisco supervisor who was a staunch Catholic. The people who elected him were conservative. I know gay people who were assaulted in San Francisco. Also, many gay people living in places like San Francisco might still have been rejected by their families and could suffer from depression from that.
 
cena said:
Yes but you claimed it was natural. It is not.
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Are we using the same definition of the term “natural?” I’m solely using the scientific definition of it, as in- it occurs in nature, it biologically happens without artificial prompting.

If you are using the Church’s definition, as in “natural law” then no it’s not natural.
 
Thorolfr said:
What makes you think that gay people in places like San Francisco do not experience homophobia? I lived in San Francisco for many years, and gay kids there also get bullied at school, there are also parts of San Francisco that are not gay friendly and there are people living in San Francisco who are hostile to gay people. Harvey Milk, the first openly gay man to get elected to public office in California was assassinated by Dan White, a San Francisco supervisor who was a staunch Catholic. The people who elected him were conservative. I know gay people who were assaulted in San Francisco. Also, many gay people living in places like San Francisco might still have been rejected by their families and could suffer from depression from that.
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I am not suggesting that we completely reject people that suffer from it. I do not agree with the Catholic that murdered him. But I do know that sexually promiscuous people (no matter what "orientation”) have high rates of depression. Since the homosexual lifestyle has high rates of this, perhaps some of that depression comes from living it out, not just society’s view of it. “Straight” people get bullied and assaulted too. People get kicked out for getting pregnant out of wedlock.
 
Catholic13 said:
No problem. Just to be clear I’m against homosexual behavior because of all the pain and destruction it causes to society.
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Are you also against heterosexual behavior because of all the pain and destruction it causes to society?
According to recent national research conducted by the U.S. Centers of Disease Control and Prevention, 10.5 percent of all high school-age girls have been sexually assaulted. And in the state of Indiana, those numbers are considerable higher than nearly anywhere else in the country. 17.3 percent of girls in grades nine through 12 in the state have reported experiencing rape or sexual assault.
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Julie Heiman, director of the Kinsey Institute for Research in Sex, Gender and Reproduction, told the Bloomington Herald-Times that she was “shocked” by the numbers.
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huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/09/indiana-sexual-assault-17_n_1412507.html
According to a New York Times article from March a year ago, about one in three women in the armed forces has been sexually assaulted, twice the civilian rate.
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globalresearch.ca/sexual-assault-against-women-in-the-us-armed-forces/5374784

I think that everyone should be against heterosexuality because of all the pain and destruction it causes to society. 😉
 
cena said:
But I do know that sexually promiscuous people (no matter what "orientation”) have high rates of depression. Since the homosexual lifestyle has high rates of this, perhaps some of that depression comes from living it out, not just society’s view of it.
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I think you’re right. So the problem is not homosexuality but being promiscuous. Not all gay people are promiscuous. Many now are in committed and monogamous relationships. Many are getting married now.
 
Thorolfr said:
Are you also against heterosexual behavior because of all the pain and destruction it causes to society?

huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/09/indiana-sexual-assault-17_n_1412507.html

globalresearch.ca/sexual-assault-against-women-in-the-us-armed-forces/5374784

I think that everyone should be against heterosexuality because of all the pain and destruction it causes to society. 😉
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Heterosexual sex in marriage (where it was intended to happen) is good for society. Things like fornication, adultery, etc. are evil
 
Thorolfr said:
I think you’re right. So the problem is not homosexuality but being promiscuous. Not all gay people are promiscuous. Many now are in committed and monogamous relationships. Many are getting married now.
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Teenagers in committed relationships do not get married. Why? Because marriage is an institution for the development and raising of children as well. And children need a mother and father and to purposely force them into something where they do not is wrong and unfair.

I have also seen statistics that same sex ”marriages" usually do not last very long.

thewire.com/national/2012/06/after-gay-marriage-comes-gay-divorce/53829/

Homosexual relationships do not work because sexual relationships are meant to be complementary
 
cena said:
Heterosexual sex in marriage (where it was intended to happen) is good for society. Things like fornication, adultery, etc. are evil
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Yes, and such a distinction doesn’t actually matter in regards to the argument put forth in the OP. The OP’s claim is that homosexuality is harmful with a consequence of sexual activity and it’s impact on society (i.e. worldly concerns) being the proof. By the very poor standards presented in the OP one could also state with equal validity that heterosexuality is harmful or, as I did, being Catholic is harmful. The logic in the OP is this- Some sexual activity is harmful → some homosexuals (or you can substitute this with heterosexuals or Catholics) engage in this harmful sexual activity → therefore homosexuality itself (or heterosexuality itself or just being Catholic) is harmful.
 
oldcatholicguy said:
Yes, and such a distinction doesn’t actually matter in regards to the argument put forth in the OP. The OP’s claim is that homosexuality is harmful with a consequence of sexual activity and it’s impact on society (i.e. worldly concerns) being the proof. By the very poor standards presented in the OP one could also state with equal validity that heterosexuality is harmful or, as I did, being Catholic is harmful. The logic in the OP is this- Some sexual activity is harmful → some homosexuals (or you can substitute this with heterosexuals or Catholics) engage in this harmful sexual activity → therefore homosexuality itself (or heterosexuality itself or just being Catholic) is harmful.
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I was saying these immoral actions can not be justified no matter who does this

The consequences do not make the action more or less serious. But the more serious an action the more serious the consequences can be
 
cena said:
I have also seen statistics that same sex ”marriages" usually do not last very long.

thewire.com/national/2012/06/after-gay-marriage-comes-gay-divorce/53829/

Homosexual relationships do not work because sexual relationships are meant to be complementary
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According to the Washington Post, “the dissolution rate of same-sex marriages seems comparable to…the divorce rate of traditional marriages.”

washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/12/15/same-sex-divorce-rate-not-as-low-as-it-seemed/
 
cena said:
Teenagers in committed relationships do not get married. Why? Because marriage is an institution for the development and raising of children as well. And children need a mother and father and to purposely force them into something where they do not is wrong and unfair.

I have also seen statistics that same sex ”marriages" usually do not last very long.

thewire.com/national/2012/06/after-gay-marriage-comes-gay-divorce/53829/

Homosexual relationships do not work because sexual relationships are meant to be complementary
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Even the article you posted from The Wire, says, “Their research found that on average the annual divorce rate for same-sex couples is similar to, though slightly lower than, the rate for different-sex couples.”
 
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