How can the Vatican say that Muslims worship the same God as we do?

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I worship Jesus Christ. He is my Lord and My God. He is the third part of the Trinity which is a Holy Mystery. I worsip all three Parts of the Trinity equaly. Muslims do not believe in the Trinity. They regard my God as a prophet and not even the greatest prophet. Much like the pharasees of Christs time. Could it be said that they worship a third of my God? lets devide God up so we don’t offend anyone.
 
Potato1 said:
I worship Jesus Christ. He is my Lord and My God. He is the third part of the Trinity which is a Holy Mystery. I worsip all three Parts of the Trinity equaly. Muslims do not believe in the Trinity. They regard my God as a prophet and not even the greatest prophet. Much like the pharasees of Christs time. Could it be said that they worship a third of my God? lets devide God up so we don’t offend anyone.
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“Allah” also declared that he would not accept any other religion except islam! :rolleyes:
 
Booklover said:
“Allah” also declared that he would not accept any other religion except islam! :rolleyes:
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Yahweh also said the Jews were his chosen people, and then Jesus said ‘the only way to the Father is through me’. The Catechism states that salvation is only possible through the Catholic Church, though it allows for people who are Catholic-in-spirit; many other Christian denominations condemn any non-members to hell. Islam is hardly the only exclusive religion of the Abrahamic group. Woops.

Potato1: Jews don’t worship a triune deity either, and there’s an entire branch of Christianity that denies the Trinity, the Unitarians. Jews and Muslims worship the same God you do, but they do not see the division into three divine persons as that’s a uniquely Christian belief.
 
Mirdath said:
Yahweh also said the Jews were his chosen people, and then Jesus said ‘the only way to the Father is through me’. The Catechism states that salvation is only possible through the Catholic Church, though it allows for people who are Catholic-in-spirit;
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Just popping in to say that while we do have the chosen people thing going on, we do not believe that one must be Jewish in order to have a share in the world to come.
 
Mirdath said:
Potato1: Jews don’t worship a triune deity either, and there’s an entire branch of Christianity that denies the Trinity, the Unitarians. Jews and Muslims worship the same God you do, but they do not see the division into three divine persons as that’s a uniquely Christian belief.
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There is no division in the Trinity. They are three in one and the reason that that doent make sense is becaus there is NOTHING LIKE IT IN THE WORLD. No, they do not worship my God Jesus Christ. You are corect with your points on the Jews and some “Christian” sects. I worship a triune diety as you put it, that is my God. They do not as you also stated thier God can be traced back historically to what is actually my God but that doesnt make it the same.
 
Valke2 said:
Just popping in to say that while we do have the chosen people thing going on, we do not believe that one must be Jewish in order to have a share in the world to come.
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Sorry, I should have made that clearer :o
 
pnewton said:
This is reminiscent of Jack Chick. Any backup to this allegation?
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A temple of the Moon-god has been excavated in Ur by Sir Leonard Woolley. He dug up many examples of moon worship in Ur and these are displayed in the British Museum to this day. Harran was likewise noted for its devotion to the Moon-god. In the 1950’s a major temple to the Moon-god was excavated at Hazer in Palestine. Two idols of the moon god were found. Each was a stature of a man sitting upon a throne with a crescent moon carved on his chest . The accompanying inscriptions make it clear that these were idols of the Moon-god. Several smaller statues were also found which were identified by their inscriptions as the “daughters” of the Moon-god. What about Arabia? As pointed out by Prof. Coon, “Muslims are notoriously loath to preserve traditions of earlier paganism and like to garble what pre-Islamic history they permit to survive in anachronistic terms.”
biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm
 
Potato1 said:
There is no division in the Trinity. They are three in one and the reason that that doent make sense is becaus there is NOTHING LIKE IT IN THE WORLD. No, they do not worship my God Jesus Christ. You are corect with your points on the Jews and some “Christian” sects. I worship a triune diety as you put it, that is my God. They do not as you also stated thier God can be traced back historically to what is actually my God but that doesnt make it the same.
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Were the Trinity completely undivided, it would be a Unity. One God, three Persons – this is in the Baltimore Catechism. Other religions believe in one God with one Person. But it’s still one deity no matter how you slice it, just seen differently.

There’s a man who works at a K-mart near where I live. The first few times I saw him I didn’t notice anything odd; then, later, I saw that he had a hook for a hand. Does that make him a different being? No, he’s still the K-mart greeter.
 
Valke2 said:
A temple of the Moon-god has been excavated in Ur by Sir Leonard Woolley…biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm
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I read the article and I was generous when I compared this to Jack Chick. This professor is either a deceiver, fraud or idiot. Linguist lineage does not equate to worship. Otherwise we would all be woships of paginism for our naming of the months and days of the week. Hebrew, Greek all took the name of term for God from the same term of the pagan gods. Even in English only the difference of a capital exists between God and god. That argument is without substance.

The other “evidence” is even more ridiculous. Because artifacts from 1000 years before Mohammed were found of moon worshipers?

If we are to defend our faith, we must not fall into the trap of using silly logic and thin connections to demonize those with whom we need to persuade. Instead we must focus on legitimate differences in the nature of God and how he is to be worshipped.
 
pnewton said:
I read the article and I was generous when I compared this to Jack Chick. This professor is either a deceiver, fraud or idiot. Linguist lineage does not equate to worship. Otherwise we would all be woships of paginism for our naming of the months and days of the week. Hebrew, Greek all took the name of term for God from the same term of the pagan gods. Even in English only the difference of a capital exists between God and god. That argument is without substance.

The other “evidence” is even more ridiculous. Because artifacts from 1000 years before Mohammed were found of moon worshipers?

If we are to defend our faith, we must not fall into the trap of using silly logic and thin connections to demonize those with whom we need to persuade. Instead we must focus on legitimate differences in the nature of God and how he is to be worshipped.
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Hey, I’m just the messenger. (pun intended).
I don’t think it is demonizing to point origins of religion. I think every major religion has a bit of pagan in its closet.
 
The ancient-Semitic Sumerian’s moon god Nanna (known as Sin in Babylonia, since their Sumerian-derived language was much influenced by the Akkadians, and by other names to other groups in the area) is well known. The Sinai Peninsula, among other place-names, probably derives from this, not unlike other names, words and place-names deriving from ancient civilizations all over the world (ie, Athens).

I can’t see how it matters whether or not the Arabic name for God has anything to do with a derivation from the name of an aspect of Nanna-Sin or not. It may be related, it may not be. When Catholics worship in Latin, are they giving praise to Jupiter or Zeus by saying ‘Deus’ or ‘Deo’? I didn’t think so.
 
jack_hawkins said:
Allah was/is the Babylonian Moon God. In the original Koran, he was not the one and only God anyway, he had companions hence the combination in the flags of many Muslim countries of the Moon and Star! Inside the black stone that Muslims walk round (like the pagans that preceded them) is carved the old pagan moon god symbols. Shaving the head and growing the beard is a pagan custom. The list goes on…
Most importantly, Allah is “the chief of deceivers”. In other words, the Father of Lies or Satan himself.
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Allah “was/is the Babylonian Moon God” in the same way that “Elohim” was/is a Caananite god named “El”…they have their root words in the Semetic languages…but the Name has evolved over time into it’s current useage…at one time in long history past, “Allah” may have been one of the names of some tribal diety, but so was the Jewish “God”…and by default the Christian “God.”…That Christian Arabs use “Allah” in reference to God shoud dispell the idea that “Allah was/is a Babylonian moon god.”…but prejudices and mis-information die hard and run deep. Jack Chick makes the same claim concerning “Allah”…not a real good reference to facts.
 
pnewton said:
As well as Pentacostals
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If I understand your comment correctly, you are saying Pentecostals do not believe in the Trinity? If that is in fact what you are saying, it is not correct. There is a branch of Pentecostalism called Unity or “Oneness” Pentecostals who do not believe in the Trinity; however, they are a small group, even within the specific groupings of “Pentecostal” Christianity. The vast majority (I’d guess 90% or more) of Pentecostals have an orthodox doctrine of God as the Trinity.

If I misunderstood your posting, feel free to ignore this one.
 
In fact, I usually explain to people this way: Most Pentecostal denominations are basically Baptist denominations except that they believe in speaking in tongues and divine healing. Even this belief doesn’t necessarily translate into practice; according to a recent poll, about half of the people who attend Pentecostal denominations do not practice speaking in tongues.

Neither, I would guess, do Moslems. (My lame effort to re-direct back to the original discussion.)
 
Speaking in tongues is considered rather unorthodox by most Muslims, yes. However, the Sufis do experience glossolalia, as part of their mystical practice, which often includes (wonderful!) music, chanting, and of course the whirling, spinning dance.

For those who are frightened of/hateful towards Muslims, I often suggest they look into the Sufi tradition - their poetry, learning, devotion and openmindedness are very inspiring.
 
kangnamdragon said:
Didn’t King David, the ancestor of our Lord, have a man killed because he slept with the man’s wife?
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Yes, and he repented of his sin. Did Muhammed? It seems to me Islam still justifies his assasinations. No prophet from God engages unrepentantly in assinating 120-yr old men merely because of his unkind words. :cool:
 
itsjustdave1988 said:
Yes, and he repented of his sin. Did Muhammed? It seems to me Islam still justifies his assasinations. No prophet from God engages unrepentantly in assinating 120-yr old men merely because of his unkind words. :cool:
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Ever hear of Jonah? He was responsible for converting a very large city. But he sat on a hillside, angry at God for not destroying the city. We don’t read whether he repented of these murderous thoughts.
 
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