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beenwashed
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So, do you mean to say that as Roman Catholics we are supposed to compare ourselves (modesty in dressing for example) with other religions to make sure we’re doing things correctly or good enough?
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beenwashed
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I went to your website. At the very end of that first page she lists 4 rules for her girls. I’ll give you that two piece bathing suits aren’t necessary for anyone really. And i’ll give you that low cut shirts one too, along with the midriff shirts. But sleeveless shirts? Really? I grew up in the south, we wore sleeveless shirts. Nothing showed but our arms. Big whoop. And i’m not goign to have someone compare me to people in Ethiopia that live in a much hotter climate.
Yes I agree in the complete oversexualization of our children and adults for that matter. However, remember that that website is a blog, i.e. someones opinion.
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eichenb2
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I do not recall calling YOU a liberal roman Catholic. If it came across that way, I apologize. However, I would call wearing a bikini in public Moral Laxity (woman or man). I base this on my reading of the Bible and Catechism, which you are taking out of context.
Islam and Muslims has nothing to do with it. As it is, laxity of practice is to be determined by the Bible and Magisterium. Would you feel comfortable standing in front of the Lord in a bikini? How about the Blessed Mother? Why do you think that Religious wear Habits? Is it just arrogance on their parts or are there legitimate concerns about licentiousness, as regards dress?
Do not let the popular media lie to you! Morality is NOT relativistic! If you say it is, then why get so concerned that Islamic Law institutionalizes rape and polygamy?
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eichenb2
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Again, you simply dismiss the “opinion”, because it displeases you. Looks like a buffet to me.
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eichenb2
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I will let God speak…
1 Timothy 2:9 . . . “[W]omen should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly attire but by good deeds as befits women who profess religion.”
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bobzills
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People are free to dress immodestly and falsely claim it is modest dress. But in the end, they are only kidding themselves. And this is seen clearly by opening one’s eyes to how women in many other cultures and religions dress modestly and decently.
metacafe.com/watch/1036919/swimsuit_for_muslim_women/
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beenwashed
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True, people can dress immodestly, whatever that standard may be, claim it to be modest, and someone will disagree. I hardly think that it is prudent to compare our garb to that of other cultures and religions and say that we are wrong (as Catholics). There is a wide spectrum of definitions when it comes to modesty among all people. And as the Chatechism states: 2524 The forms taken by modesty vary from one culture to another.
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beenwashed
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I never said that morality is relativistic. What i’m saying is that modesty can be considered relative, especially when we are talking across different cultures and religions. If the Church wanted to come out with a dress code for women and men, they would. For example, do you feel that a skirt on a woman that comes to her knee is ok for her to wear to church? I think it’s just fine. Woudl i sit in front of Jesus wearing a skirt that came to my knee? Yes I would. Becasue quite frankly, i dont’ think he cares that my calves are showing, i think he cares more about what’s in my heart. If I’m suppsed to compare myself to a muslim woman, then I really should be wearing something over my head right now to cover my hair. So where’s the line? And since i’m not a nun, i’m probably not goign to start wearing a habit anytime soon.
Now, yes, U.S, along wtih many european countries, have basically thrown out a lot of modesty and embraced dressing like a hooker. Does that mean it’s right? No. Do i think that we need to turn it around a start embracing modesty? Yes. How much modesty? Dont’ know. Depends. Is wearing a one piece bathing suit modest enough? Depends
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Litcrit
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Where does it describe what parts of a person’s skin can be expoesed? Why a one-piece is fine but a two-piece isn’t?
Here ‘modesty’ has the same meaning the word has in my language: not exposing one’s riches, talents, beauty, etc., out of pride. The same as ‘humility’. My language has no word for the US meaning of ‘modesty’ = not exposing …umm?.. skin (?) on one’s abdomen (?), because that inevitably leads to sexual temptation (?).
That’s why I insist modesty is cultural. My culture has no concept of modesty quite like what you mean by it. A tourist brochure about an Arab country that I read warned women to “dress modestly” (in my language). I wondered why women were not to wear expensive dresses and jewelry there until I realized it was translated from English and meant “cover up”.
Yes. Naked too. They see me naked every day.
Re: Adam and Eve in Eden covering up: In every representation, they only cover their sexual organs.I take that to be the absolute minimum, whereas cultures add more. A two-piece swimsuit covers more than a fig leaf.
Re: Unattractive people: if ‘modesty’ means dressing in such a way as not to excite anyone, then obese/unattractive/old people should be allowed, much MORE than young, attractive ones, to go about very scantily dressed. I certainly feel more comfortable in a two-piece on a beach with a postpartum figure, a husband, and a kid. It is VERY OBVIOUS to ANYONE that I’m not trying to excite lust.
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Mattapoisett64
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That would be the religion that aproves of 10-year old brides, and practices female genital mutilation? They’re your model?
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eichenb2
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Fairness requires a reply. What is a 10-year bride? Also, female genital mutilation is not “Islamic”. It is from the particular cultural millieau wherein Islam flourished. It was and is practiced in Ethiopia, which is an overwhelmingly Christian country. The majority of Sunni Muslim scholars view female circumsion as. at most, optional and at worst prohibited. Why is it necessary to ignorantly bash another religion?
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eichenb2
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Also, I doubt American society has much room to talk. Our motto seems to be, Save the Trees and Kill the Babies.
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jean8
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Muslims have made woman their slaves. It begins when they are born. If I lived there I would start walking until I was out of the country. If I died on the way who would care. No one
Women in Muslim countrys are dead while they live.
God hav e mercy,
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eichenb2
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Wow! I thought Protestants displayed their ignorance when bashing Catholics. You, my friend, should read a book (or two). Why not start with the Catechism of the Catholic Church (Article 841).
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StevenMTL
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Jesus did tell women to dress modestly. Now which is more modest, a bikini, or a one-piece? There’s your answer and remember, seek to please the Lord to your fullest, not to push the envelope.
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Litcrit
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My grandmother, born in 1910, wore a two-piece. My grandfather, born in 1906, wore a speedo. My husband and I dress much like them.Borrow your grandparents beach wear.
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In a culture, I presume, different from yours.
Actually, Jesus never did, in so many words. St. Paul talks about modesty, but in terms of not adorning oneself with riches.
You seem to be impying that a one-piece is more modest than a two-piece, aren’t you? Why? What’s the difference apart from exposing skin on one’s abdomen and back? How does that mark the border between modesty and immodesty? Are you suggesting that a man who is sex-obsessed and unable to control his thoughts and impulses will observe a woman in a one-piece with brotherly love, but will fall into sin when spotting a bikini-clad woman? Why? Because of her abdominal and dorsal skin?
I honestly just can’t get it, the logic of it. I’ll stop trying and just chalk it up to American culture. It seems like there’s just the prevalent idea that ‘a bikini is immodest’ and thus ‘a bikini invariably excites to lust’ and then it’s naturally a self-fulfulling prophecy. If a man expects to be excited by a bikini, he will be. He will think that the woman is wearing it for his benefit. If a woman is raised with the idea that ‘a bikini invariably excites to lust’, even she will possibly start behaving differently in one.
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yellowbicycle
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On 30 Rock the other night, Tina Fey had a ‘tankort’ which was basically a dress. Ha!
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