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Sure, but Thomas’ argument doesn’t need miracles since “Almighty God would in no wise permit evil to exist in His works, unless He were so almighty and so good as to produce good even from evil”. No miracles are needed to make that argument work.St Thomas certainly believed in miracles. God is not “forced” to perform them because He knows whether they are for our ultimate benefit.
“Almighty God would in no wise permit evil to exist in His works”. That’s never, ever. Whereas you say God “permits unfortunate coincidences”. That’s not never, so you’re then forced to argue that God sometimes (you say “He also prevents many”) undoes the evil by “intervention, i.e. by working miracles”.
I’m not making any argument, I’m simply quoting Thomas, and Thomas doesn’t imply that God never overrides laws of nature, it’s simply Thomas doesn’t need that for his argument to work.It is your argument that leads to deism because you imply that God never overrides natural laws.
Removing the subjective language, I think what you mean is that sometimes nature produces effects that cause harm.Unfortunate coincidences are inevitable sooner or later because natural laws cannot possibly cater for every contingency. Sooner or later some one is bound to be in the wrong place at the wrong time - unless you go to the other extreme and believe God determines precisely where everyone is located at every moment. Which is it to be? Always or never?
Thomas says God permits these events in His providence since otherwise “much good would be absent from the universe”. He gives examples: “A lion would cease to live, if there were no slaying of animals; and there would be no patience of martyrs if there were no tyrannical persecution”. So, according to Thomas, harm occurs since the alternative would be that less good exists.
Whereas you say that it would be extreme to believe that “God determines precisely where everyone is located at every moment”. Implying that Jesus is extreme to claim that not one sparrow “will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care” (Matt 10).
Which is it to be? Jesus and Thomas, or Tony? You don’t have to keep defending the exact wording of your “Positive Negative” formula, you could always revise it to avoid all these problems
