How can you be Democratic and also be Catholic?

[Dovekin]

the principle of subsidiarity must be respected: a community of a higher order should not interfere in the internal life of a community of a lower order, depriving the latter of its functions,
St John Paul II. Centesimus Annus.

What is a community of the lowest order? The individual? A pregnant woman?

What is anachronistic about my other post?

 

[whatistrue]

All I can do is shake my head and moan.

How about reading the USCCB position instead? And stop implying that people who disagree with you politically are not “real” Catholics, or are sinful for doing so. Me, I will go with the Bishops over a random Internet pontificator.

 

[StudentMI]

What is a community of the lowest order? The individual? A pregnant woman?

What is anachronistic about my other post?

I said anarchistic.

A society of a higher order has the right to step in when the lower order can’t take care of itself, and for the common good. That’s where we get justification for things like helping the destitute. If you don’t acknowledge that factor it’s a short step toward justifying Murray Rothbard’s odious position that a mother can legitimately starve a baby to death.

 

[Dovekin]

Oops.

Anarchy is always the problem with every limitation of rights. “We need the government to step in because his right will lead to anarchy.” becomes “We need gun control to prevent schools being shot up.” “We need strong police forces to prevent the riots that come from freedom of assembly.” Etc. It is kind of a kneejerk reaction.

I was explaining why a Catholic might vote Democratic. The ProLife position is not a simple stand alone position, but comes alloyed with governmental philosophies on which Catholics differ.

Should Catholics differ on those things? I do not know, nor do I care to examine those issues. I am just explaining what is complex about the subject that leads different people to different conclusions.

 

[nicholasG]

Unfortunately, this election is not Democrat vs Republican.

It’s about Democrat vs Trump.

 

[Dovekin]

I accept the principle, but your application of it is flawed. What is the connection between your question and voting Democratic?

 

[nicholasG]

NONSENSE. Many Democrats are opposed to abortion.

 

[Shakuhachi]

Let’s face it. Neither major part is consistent enough with Catholic Social teaching to justify support. And I do not think there is even a minor party. It comes down to a hopeless write in vote to truly vote my conscience.

 

[fide]

I would respect you if you would choose to not vote at all, given your beliefs. A vote for only more abortion calls for grieving and agony - not respect (nothing personal intended) but apologies to the murdered babies, and their mothers who one day will realize the horror of their horrible “choice.”
Not to mention the other policies of insanity that the dems support.

 

[fide]

The ProLife position includes a number of principles beyond opposition to abortion:

1. a government may dictate what choices may be made by a pregnant woman.
2. a government can make medical decisions, paving the way for universal health care.
3. Irresponsibility, where the State can demand action without responsibility for the consequences.

Do you oppose the government mandate against murder? Why? That’s a choice of the murderer, is it not? Should he be free to kill if he is being imposed on by another person?
Do you oppose the legal intrusion into medical decisions to prescribe or not, opioids for recreational use? Poisons for suicide? Why?

 

[Atrocitous]

It seems like there would be Democratic Catholics out there. But these Democratic Catholics would be promoting ProChoice, whether they know it or not. It’s a huge Democratic policy right now. And ProChoice is the opposite of what Catholic doctrine teaches, which is ProLife. So how could any person claim they are Catholic Democrat and not be lying to themselves, because any person who supports ProChoice really isn’t Catholic because they don’t believe in what Catholicism teaches?

Good question

maybe you should find that Catholic Nun who lead the prayer over the DNC, and then when questioned about her stance on Abortion she decided to throw a lateral pass and I am paraphrasing, but she basically said she would need to consider the topic before she could really answer that question.

. . . .

 

[MagdalenaRita]

What is the connection between your question and voting Democratic?

I am sure you know, as well as most people do, that the Democratic party not only supports what they call a woman’s right to have an abortion but pushes and encourages it under the false name of “women’s healthcare”. They do absolutely nothing to stop abortions, save a baby’s life and prevent later grief to the mother.

NONSENSE. Many Democrats are opposed to abortion.

That is very rare and if they do then they need to be speaking out and working to get the democratic platform changed. . . .

 

[Annie]

a government may dictate what choices may be made by a pregnant woman.

What is it about pregnancy that would protect someone from needing to adhere to prohibitions by the government?

The point of government is to “dictate” certain actions by people such as not killing other people, not raping other people, not stealing from other people, and so on.

a government can make medical decisions, paving the way for universal health care.

To murder someone is not a medical decision.

Government limits medical decisions all the time.

Irresponsibility, where the State can demand action without responsibility for the consequences.

I had to look at that one twice. Talk about irony!

So, people should be able to have sex irresponsibly and not take responsibility for the results, but if the government prohibits their killing the unborn, the government is being irresponsible–despite the array of government aid programs to help the poor.

 

[Tenzin]

Don’t americans have multiple parties? I’d choose the one closest to catholic teaching. Anyway, the first American President said

Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.

Another quote,

It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection.

Maybe foreshadowing. If I could vote, I would vote for the individual not the party. In the long term, I wouldn’t bother with temporal politics. I will die and my goal is heaven not here.

 

[nicholasG]

That is very rare and if they do then they need to be speaking out and working to get the democratic platform changed. Hmm. where are their voices? Can’t hear them.

The Democratic platform is for ALL Americans.

Three-quarters of Americans say they want to keep in place the landmark Supreme Court ruling, Roe v. Wade, that made abortion legal in the United States

 

[Erikaspirit16]

Here again the principle of subsidiarity must be respected: a community of a higher order should not interfere in the internal life of a community of a lower order, depriving the latter of its functions, but rather should support it in case of need and help to coordinate its activity with the activities of the rest of society, always with a view to the common good.

Sounds good. But in practice, where are almost all cases of embezzlement and corruption? At the local level. Why? Because there are fewer watchdogs. It’s almost impossible to open a paper without seeing that the local church business administrator stole $100,000 or the mayor took a kickback from a developer. On the federal level, their are a lot more people watching, and their are a lot more controls. Corruption happens, but more rarely. When is the last time you heard about a corruption scandal at AID? Or FEMA? Or the Post Office? (Leaving aside of course Trump’s appointees who feel the urge to re-decorate their offices for hundreds of thousands of dollars or fly on personal business and charge it to the taxpayers, or help their cronies they had been lobbyists for for decades when they become cabinet secretaries–all this is outside the usual norms, and will end Jan. 20.)

 

[Shakuhachi]

https://www.democratsforlife.org/

 

[Inquisitor85]

At least they have one beyond “whatever DJT wants”. You may be cool with that, but to me it looks like a Cult of Personality is forming around him, that’s always dangerous, regardless of your position on the compass.

 

[Erikaspirit16]

We disagree. Don’t forget that “us” and “we” are the press.

 

[Inquisitor85]

I’m fine if that’s your opinion, I’m an ocean away from the worst of it, although US foreign policy affects the entire world and the US has really dropped the ball there.