How can you be Democratic and also be Catholic?

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StudentMI said:
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LeafByNiggle:
I’m not in favor of telling them they are evil monsters. I am in favor of making childbirth a more attractive alternative.
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Attractive, yes. There is something that bothers me about making it monetarily attractive to have babies.
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Well, maybe you just have to get over it, just like Democrats are told they have to “get over it” when they object to having to sacrifice their values on other issues in order to vote for a pro-life candidate.

Actually I’m not even proposing that childbirth be made a money-making venture. I just don’t want it to be a money-losing venture. Just make them come out even.
 
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LeafByNiggle said:
Well, maybe you just have to get over it, just like Democrats are told they have to “get over it” when they object to having to sacrifice their values on other issues in order to vote for a pro-life candidate.
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Or maybe I’m on to something. I read an essay earlier today about the market and Pope Francis. The author said you have to sometimes stimulate selfish interests in people to have a socially desirable outcome. That seemed wrong to me.
 
StudentMI said:
I can agree on making it not a money losing venture. Still, there’s just something that irks me.
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There used to be a tax benefit to having children. My father had 5 children and the exemptions were enough to reduce his income taxes to zero. But even then, the dependency exemption was not nearly enough to offset the cost of raising children. I think the tax code ought to be more family friendly.
 
Each state should enact its own abortion legslation and its own limits and restrictions.

I don’t have it at hand now but I once saw poll asking specifically which abortions ought to be allowed, considering the reasons for the abortion. Turned out that most respondents would allow abortion for some reasons, but not others, and they mostly rejected the reasons that most women commonly give.
 
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, though I am standing by my statement that neither poverty or wealth are reasons for abortion.
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If you mean “moral reasons”, you are right. There are no factors that morally excuse abortion. But there are factors that do affect the abortion rate as a matter of objective face. One of those factors is poverty. This is not to excuse those who make that decision, but not remove the temptation by eliminating the impact of poverty on the abortion rate?
 
LeafByNiggle said:
But there are factors that do affect the abortion rate as a matter of objective face. One of those factors is poverty
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Yes as we have said there are times when poverty or money can be the deciding issue in a woman having abortion but as we have also said and an earlier article posted stated there are usually more issues at play. Still poverty is not a reason for abortion. That’s it.

Also it is frequently believed by western culture that abortion IS the answer to poverty.


Still wrong.
 
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MagdalenaRita said:
Yes as we have said there are times when poverty or money can be the deciding issue in a woman having abortion but as we have also said and an earlier article posted stated there are usually more issues at play.
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I agree that financial concerns are not the only reason, and alleviating them will not end all abortions. But every abortion prevented is a win.
 
Wouldn’t it be nice if there were billboards that said “Road to the middle class: finish school, get a job, get married, then have children”. Then put them up where required.
 
Yes, I have seen that before. Finish high school. Get a job. Don’t have children until you are married. Do these simple things and it is nearly a guarantee against poverty.

But having children outside of marriage is an entryway to poverty.
 
27lw said:
Wouldn’t it be nice if there were billboards that said “Road to the middle class: finish school, get a job, get married, then have children”. Then put them up where required.
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Yes, and to underscore that message we could ensure everyone had a first-rate school to go to, and good high-paying jobs available.
 
You know what I always wonder? If school districts know how to create great magnet schools, why not duplicate them? Why have only a few magnet schools in an otherwise failing system?
 
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27lw said:
You know what I always wonder? If school districts know how to create great magnet schools, why not duplicate them? Why have only a few magnet schools in an otherwise failing system?
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I don’t know. Maybe because it costs a lot of money?
 
LeafByNiggle said:
I don’t know. Maybe because it costs a lot of money?
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I have heard it said that the answer to any question that starts “Why don’t they…” is always “Money”. ETA: This most often applies to governments as the “they” involved.
 
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CDC numbers-- Abortion Surveillance — United States, 2016 | MMWR and others

number of abortions per 1,000 women between ages 15-44:

1971–11
1972–13 (and yes, before abortion was legalized, obviously a lot of abortions weren’t reported)

1974–17 when abortion was legal
1975–18 when abortion was legal

1980–25 (the high, and it declines from then on)

2015–11.8
2016–11.6

Note that without federal changes in the law, the rate has returned to the pre-Roe v Wade level.

I’m sure there are a lot of socio-economic factors at work, and I’m sure they’ve been studied. Wouldn’t it be worth the time and effort of those who are pro-life to research those factors and encourage them?
 
Erikaspirit16 said:
pro-life to research those factors and encourage them?
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From what I understand it is greater access to birth control that has had a great influence in that, and then promotion of safe sex after the AIDS epidemic in the 80s and women focusing more on career than relationships.

As Catholics we can’t encourage all of this.
 
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