How come some priests don't want to celebrate EF?

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JKirkLVNV said:
I’ve frankly no idea whether those in the Neo Catechumate are or are not heretics, I’ve not studied them that closely. But I would say that the source of our problem is a lot of things, but mostly sin.
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Have it your --way. But the continuing and future effect of this movement will still be a plague to the Church. Eventually–it will be so prominent—that only those who will continue to live with their heads in a hole —will deny that it is.
 
Walking_Home said:
Have it your --way. But the continuing and future effect of this movement will still be a plague to the Church. Eventually–it will be so prominent—that only those who will continue to live with their heads in a hole —will deny that it is.
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Gosh, I should think that Opus Dei is far more influential than the Neos.
 
wifenmommy said:
The only thing that worries me is that I do not speak latin and would have absolutly NO clue what is going on in the Mass. I am a cradle Catholic, but I have never been taught latin…What would I do in that situation???
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I’m with you. And I can’t imagine trying to get my kids to participate in a Latin mass, either.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
Well, if it is as you say, we’ll pray that they come to their senses.
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It that you and I agree—but while that happens—we need to do all that we can–to protect the people and our Mass from their influence. You see JKirk — it tears into my soul to know and see what they are doing to the Church.
 
mommyof4 said:
I’m with you. And I can’t imagine trying to get my kids to participate in a Latin mass, either.
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What, no goats?

But as to your comment/question, it will depend, for the children old enough to read, if they will use a missal.

The vast majority of people just prior to Vatican 2 could not speak Latin (and by this, I don’t mean pronounce Latin; I mean speak it as a language); and at least on the West Coast, while Latin was taught in the Catholic schools, it wasn’t taught until high school, and often for no more than 2 years; it was something that was not used on a regular basis. There was a reason that people would buy a missal with Latin on one side and English on the other; they did not read Latin well enough to be able to follow the Mass.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
So we don’t go off-track, here’s a link to a Neo Chatecumenate thread and a quote from the latest poster:

“Here’s a classic example: They say that the Mass is not a sacrifice. WHAAAATTT???”

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=2735111#post2735111

If that is true, then they are certainly heretical.
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The Neocatechumenal influence is far reaching. Generally when regular people are exposed to it–they don’t know where it is coming from–but as I said before —it is surfacing.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=184306

The song sung at the end of Mass today was “Soon and Very Soon.” One of the members of the choir started to clap, the girl in the pew behind me starting clapping and laughing as she moved side to side, another woman was clapping with hand movements remeniscent of the 50s.

Add that to the priest, rector of the cathedral parish, standing in front of the altar and not at the ambo for his homily and I was quite disappointed.

I wrote an email to the music director and cc’d the rector about the music choice. I indicated a preference for the organ and more sacred music. The music director said that “… there is a diversity of people who form our assembly each Sunday, our music should in turn reflect that diversity,” and the rector responded, “Mass is about celebrating God’s love for us and there is nothing wrong with enjoying Mass, in fact, praising him.”
Am I that wrong? I always thought that the Mass was meant to be a time of reverent worship with sacred music. When did it turn into a celebration that includes music worthy of a revival meeting?
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Re: Is the Mass a celebration?

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Mass is about celebrating God’s love for us and there is nothing wrong with enjoying Mass, in fact, praising him.

The Mass is, first and foremost, the sacramental re-presentation of Christ’s sacrifice on Calvary. While it is true that this sacramental re-presentation includes joyous moments, since it includes re-presentation of the Resurrection, it is a solemn occasion.

Unfortunately, in our culture, joy has been reduced to mere “enjoyment” and solemnity has been stigmatized as “grim,” “alien,” and “forbidding.” As a society, we seem incapable of finding joy in solemnity. Until we recapture a proper attitude toward joy and solemnity, it will be difficult to get others to understand why Mass does not have to be entertaining in order to be awe-inspiring.
 
joelacour said:
JKirk—

I wonder if Gresham’s Law applies to the two Forms? What I THINK will happen is that in about 5-10 years we’ll have the Mass of Benedict XVI, which will have the best of both Forms combined into one Form that everyone agrees has the right amount solemnity, bibical reference, rubrics, etc.
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I shall pray to the Lord that this HAPPENS!!! I think it should be a Solemn Mass with copious amount of Gregorian Chant and Latin(and reverent vernacular—Elizabethan-style English for us English Speakers), incense and is mandated Ad orientem
And is done in very reverant manner manner with ample time to both reverently pray, reflect and immerse in silence all in glory, worship and prayer to our Blessed Lord.
 
ravenonthecross said:
I shall pray to the Lord that it has a Solemn and copious amount of Gregorian Chant and Latin(and reverent vernacular—Elizabethan-style English for us English Speakers), incense and is mandated Ad orientem
And is done in very reverant manner manner with ample time to both reverently pray, reflect and immerse in silence all in glory, worship and prayer to our Blessed Lord.
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I agree with all of the above.
 
mommyof4 said:
I’m with you. And I can’t imagine trying to get my kids to participate in a Latin mass, either.
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I’ve got 5 myself, the oldest of whom is 9.

We take them to a Latin N.O. Mass, heck the 9 year old is an altarboy at it.

Say the Latin prayers with them, Ave Maria, Pater Noster etc…

they will pick it up easier than you will and you’ll give them a great gift as well.
 
ravenonthecross said:
I shall pray to the Lord that this HAPPENS!!! I think it should be a Solemn Mass with copious amount of Gregorian Chant and Latin(and reverent vernacular—Elizabethan-style English for us English Speakers), incense and is mandated Ad orientem
And is done in very reverant manner manner with ample time to both reverently pray, reflect and immerse in silence all in glory, worship and prayer to our Blessed Lord.
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Please, cut the incense for me and the kids. It literally makes us ill. There will be copius amounts of puke in the pews if there is a lot of incense.
 
Brendan said:
I’ve got 5 myself, the oldest of whom is 9.

We take them to a Latin N.O. Mass, heck the 9 year old is an altarboy at it.

Say the Latin prayers with them, Ave Maria, Pater Noster etc…

they will pick it up easier than you will and you’ll give them a great gift as well.
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That is true–kids are very good at learning a second language.
 
Brendan said:
I’ve got 5 myself, the oldest of whom is 9.

We take them to a Latin N.O. Mass, heck the 9 year old is an altarboy at it.

Say the Latin prayers with them, Ave Maria, Pater Noster etc…

they will pick it up easier than you will and you’ll give them a great gift as well.
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Same here. I have 4 (+1 extra teenager living with us). We switched to a Latin Pauline Mass a couple of months ago. My oldest and his friend haven’t tried to learn the Latin, but then they generally weren’t vocal participants in the past. The other three (and my wife and I) are picking up just fine, especially the 7-year-old.
 
Brendan said:
I’ve got 5 myself, the oldest of whom is 9.

We take them to a Latin N.O. Mass, heck the 9 year old is an altarboy at it.

Say the Latin prayers with them, Ave Maria, Pater Noster etc…

they will pick it up easier than you will and you’ll give them a great gift as well.
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yea, but who’s gonna teach ME?🤷
 
Well I’m sure, that there are different grades of incense which are less strong that could be used in preference for those who do not bode well with Strong incense. This is just one small bit that adds to the reverence of the mass, and symbolic of the incense in Heaven in the Apocalypse of Saint John in the Holy New Testament. (Just to not I’ve not in range of Tridentine Mass or Reverent Latin Novus Ordo or even An English Mass done with Gregorian Chant Ad Orientem, I’ve got a regular English Mass with Banal 60s/70s hymns and with the Priest facing the parishioners. It’s free of liturgical abuse, however it feels more ordinary, and does not evoke aspirations of the Heavenly Liturgy. I’m still glad for the Holy Eucharist, and being able to receive Christ in his Body, Blood, soul, and Divinity in the Sacred Host, but still I yearn for the sacred masses I mentioned that I’m not able to attend due to distance/or lack of availability near me.
 
mommyof4 said:
yea, but who’s gonna teach ME?🤷
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It’s not that tough…trust me. You aren’t actually learning the language. You are just learning the particular prayers in Latin. The Credo was the hardest for me to get, but the chanting really helps. Like any prayer, you learn the rythm with the pronunciation of the words.

Start out easy - the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei.

After a while of reading English and Latin next to each other, you will start to recognize the words…some of them are root words you would recognize.

Pax,
Robert
 
Emailed our Pastor recently if he head any plans for EF. His answer was as of this time, no. His reasons:
  1. Out of the 7200+ families the parish serves, he has had requests from 4 individuals including my inquiry.
  2. He is the only one of the 3 priests we have who know latin, which he hasn’t used for many years, so he would definitely need refresher studies, along with training for the other 2 priests. And classes for the Deacons and the many others that assist.
  3. An additional Mass is unfortunately not possible due to time constraints of himself & the 2 associate Priests serving the large parish (we currently have 16 Masses/week), combined with the facility being used for other things like weddings, funerals, etc.
  4. With such a low initial interest, he believes changing one of the current Masses (they’re all packed) to EF would not be in the best interest of the parish
  5. He wants to be very open to the idea, and will in the future most likely do a survey to determine unrequested interest.
 
mommyof4 said:
yea, but who’s gonna teach ME?🤷
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----You.
Hey, I’ve never took a Latin Class, but I’ve read the Rubrics of the Novus Ordo Missae in Latin On the Internet enough to memorize what basic words mean, and how to pronounce them, plus I’ve bought a Gregorian Chant CD which in addition to it’s beauty and Latin, and prayer, is good for meditative prayer and relaxation. Here’s a link to Latin Pronuciation: Click Here Please! => Latin

Oh, and here’s the rubrics for the Latin Novus Ordo Missae (the New Mass for those who do not know) => **Latin Novus Ordo Rubrics **
 
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