How come some priests don't want to celebrate EF?

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Brendan said:
So what, St. Peter’s in Rome faces the same direction, and the TLM was said their for centuries.

When architectural issues prevent the CHurch from being built along the correct East\West access, the priest faces ‘liturgical’ East, that is he faces the same direction as the Congregation.
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I did not know this. I was under the impression that churches had to have the altar facing geographical east.
 
scylla said:
There are many priests who do not know Latin and probably are a little intimidated by it.

Of course there are also many priests who enjoy an attitude of allowing things to slide and just get along with everyone. To them it probably seems a little too extreme and rigid.

As someone who grew up with only the NO I know I was very intimidated and somewhat distrustful of those who are attached to tradition.

The line of thinking is this, why are these people so rigid, why don’t they just loosen up and enjoy themselves a little. Many people have a mindset that how you act really doesn’t matter too much and why get so uptight over things that everybody does?
If everyone does it why get all bothered over it?

It all comes from a misunderstanding of points of view.
The people who are distrustful of traditional Catholics usually think of them as uptight, rigid and old fashioned.

The traditionalists usually believe that people who attend the NO and knock the Latin Mass are usually ultra-liberals who do not believe in the real presence, contracept, don’t go to confession and believe it is ok to dissent from Catholic belief.

This is not universal but those who are prejudiced against the other seem to be of these mindsets. What helps is charity and a willingness to talk about what is good about holding to tradition and how we can open up to modernizing our actions in living out Catholicism, without destroying the liturgy or our beliefs.

In Christ
Scylla
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I don’t quite understand this “priests don’t know latin, and are a little intimidated by it” philosophy.

Every professional goes forth from the day they graduated, and over their careers either go back to school or they learn, privately or on the job.

I have an M.B.A., but what is happening in the money markets today is nothing like what was happening back in 1970. I went back to school to get an advanced degree, and I worked and I studied.

What’s wrong with priests doing some studying. If they didn’t take latin - which I totally do not understand - well, let’s get a handle on it.

As far as the Latin Latin rite is concerned, what is so difficult to learn. Missals have rubrics, which priest have studied all their careers, and there are older priests out there who know the old rite. While they are still alive, let them (make them) teach the rest about this Latin Latin rite.

Imagine what happened in England during the reign of Queen Elizabeth I. The Mass, the Liturgy, the old prayer rituals fell into disuse, mainly because they were forbidden. While we still have time, let us re-learn our old rituals and pass them on, as they have been passed on for 2,000 years.

peace
 
lak611 said:
I did not know this. I was under the impression that churches had to have the altar facing geographical east.
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Churches built over the last 200 years and longer face all sorts of directions East, West, North, South. Liturgically “east” has nothing to do with the actual geographic east.
 
Thursday1 said:
And, I have always disliked that video, they are putting benches ot only on the sacred altar, but right on top of the altar relic.
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LOL! You think there is actually a relic in that Novus Ordo table-altar??? :rotfl:
 
Relics used to be mandatory, now they are simply recommended. Traditionally, altars were required to have an altar stone, which housed a relic. This changed, like so much else, with the reforms of the late 1960s. The latest GIRM simply recommends that the tradition of sealing relics in altars is continued, but it is no longer mandated. Predictably, most new altars (the ones that look like the one in the above video) are constructed with no relics. If you assist at Mass at a church that does not have a high altar, next time you are at Mass, ask the priest whose relics are in the altar.

Here is a story that touches on the subject:

boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/01/14/as_churches_close_relics_hidden_in_altars_face_an_uncertain_fate/
 
mgrfin said:
I don’t quite understand this “priests don’t know latin, and are a little intimidated by it” philosophy.

What’s wrong with priests doing some studying. If they didn’t take latin - which I totally do not understand - well, let’s get a handle on it.

As far as the Latin Latin rite is concerned, what is so difficult to learn. Missals have rubrics, which priest have studied all their careers, and there are older priests out there who know the old rite. While they are still alive, let them (make them) teach the rest about this Latin Latin rite.
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Having been in the seminary a while ago, Latin for seminarians was at that time a two year college course; and those who had not had Latin in high school had a much rougher time of it than those who did. The issue is not that they can’t do it; the issue is how do they go about it. And given the shortage of priests, and the increased load each one now carries, it is going to be difficult to get anywhere quickly in the matter.
 
Scotty_PGH said:
Definitely not. Not anymore, at least. They used to.
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WRONG.
Code of Canon Law:
Canon 1237 #2: “The ancient tradition of placing relics of martyrs or other saints under a fixed altar is to be preserved, according to the norms given in liturgical books.”

The old Latin rite still holds out:
After the Confession prayers, the priest goes up to the altar:

“Oramus te, Domine, per merita Santorum tuorum, quorum reliquiae hic sunt (He kisses the altar) et omnium Sanctorum…”

The reverence of kissing the altar is due, in part, to the relics of those saints contained therein.

Peace
 
mgrfin said:
WRONG.
Code of Canon Law:
Canon 1237 #2: “The ancient tradition of placing relics of martyrs or other saints under a fixed altar is to be preserved, according to the norms given in liturgical books.”

The old Latin rite still holds out:
After the Confession prayers, the priest goes up to the altar:

“Oramus te, Domine, per merita Santorum tuorum, quorum reliquiae hic sunt (He kisses the altar) et omnium Sanctorum…”

The reverence of kissing the altar is due, in part, to the relics of those saints contained therein.

Peace
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You don’t read very well. The Canon Law refers to the norms given in the liturgical books. As I mentioned, the liturgical books (GIRM of 2002) no longer require relics, though they are recommended.

When something is recommended, but not required, we’ve seen what the liberal churches do (like the recommendation that Latin be preserved in the Novus Ordo Mass - how’d that work out?).

As I said above: If you assist at Mass at a church that does not have a high altar, next time you are at Mass, ask the priest whose relics are in the altar.
 
Scotty_PGH said:
You don’t read very well. The Canon Law refers to the norms given in the liturgical books. As I mentioned, the liturgical books (GIRM of 2002) no longer require relics, though they are recommended.

When something is recommended, but not required, we’ve seen what the liberal churches do (like the recommendation that Latin be preserved in the Novus Ordo Mass - how’d that work out?).

As I said above: If you assist at Mass at a church that does not have a high altar, next time you are at Mass, ask the priest whose relics are in the altar.
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The priest probably doesn’t know whose relics are in the altar. If it is a portable altar, he may be able to locate them, and read the names imprinted across the relic.

If they are under altar, have the pastor check the parish records to find out.

What’s GIRM of 2002?

peace

P.S. Please stop using abbreviations. Tks.
 
Scotty_PGH said:
You don’t read very well. The Canon Law refers to the norms given in the liturgical books. As I mentioned, the liturgical books (GIRM of 2002) no longer require relics, though they are recommended.

When something is recommended, but not required, we’ve seen what the liberal churches do (like the recommendation that Latin be preserved in the Novus Ordo Mass - how’d that work out?).

As I said above: If you assist at Mass at a church that does not have a high altar, next time you are at Mass, ask the priest whose relics are in the altar.
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You should be more polite. Accusing people of not reading well is not charitable.

You are incorrect. Check the GIRM 2002 again. It states: “302. The practice of placing relics of Saints, even those not Martyrs, under the altar to be dedicated is fittingly retained.” “Retained” does not mean recommended. It means it is still a requirement in force.
 
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