I Timothy 3:15 but if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how men ought to behave themselves in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
Good now you know the tradition based off the teachings of Christ. Now where did it say that Mary was sinless, where did it say she was the mother of God. Where did it say to pray to those that have died.
And consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, as our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, also wrote to you, speaking of these things as he does in all his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures. - 2 Peter 3:15-16
Why do you keep quoting this as if it supports you doctrine? Your own doctrine teaches what we call ‘Sola Scriptura’ (Bible alone)…that means you lean on your own understanding of the Bible.
Who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me? (Lk 1:43)
Why do you think the Romans formed the Catholic faith? Because of the Roman Catholc Church? Sorry to tell you, the Catholic Church is a lot more than just Roman.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church
1Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the command of God our Savior and of Christ Jesus our hope,
Here is the begining of Ch. 3 of Proverbs, the first 5 verses:
You are hopeless. The Bible which you seem to believe just fell out of the sky after Christ ascended into heave was actually written by the very same people who faithfully passed the Tradition of the Church and of Christ down through the generations—the very same Tradition which you are debasing and attempting to rebel against. I have already shown for you how the Bible itself says that many things happened which are not recorded in the Scriptures (John 21:25) and that St. Paul tells us to hold fast to the holy traditions which we have received either by word or by epistle in II Thessalonians 2:15. I have told you that many things which were not recorded in the Scriptures are passed down through the oral Tradition, which the very Bible tells us we have an obligation to uphold. That Mary lived a life without sin is one of those traditions.
No, you are the one who takes Scripture out of context. The Bible very clearly, right there in verse 15 says that the Church (which is the body of Christ) is the pillar and foundation of the truth. It wouldn’t have mattered if he were talking about how one ought to paint pink unicorns on the altar; the Scripture clearly states that the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. Do you deny the Scripture?
If you don’t understand the Bible, then, that is when you trust in the Lord.
Ok then, if we are not to rely on man, why are you telling us how we should interpret Scripture since you do not possess the authority to do so? Unless, of course, you believe yourself to be God.
The Catholic religion is not apart of the Body of Christ. The Head of the Body of Christ is Jesus Christ. Catholics believe that the Pope is the head of the church but the Bible never mentions the word Pope or Cahtholic(universal). That is because the False doctrine is the Catholic religion not the Church(the Body of Christ). I could point out a lot of things that proves that this a false doctrine but my point is not to do that but simply to say that
And where does it say specifically that Mary sinned? And where does it say specifically not to pray to saints? Where does it say “Mary is NOT the Mother of God?” …or do you not believe Jesus was God? If Jesus had an earthly mother, and He was God, then it is fitting to say “Mary is the mother of God.”…where is it forbidden in the Bible to draw that logical conclusion? Or are we throw all logic and reasoning aside as you have and just believe what we are told my someone else without ever giving it a second thought?
Where does it say the Romans started the Catholic faith? What historical references prove this? The early church was full of Jews, Greeks, Romans, and various cultures. The Romans did not start their own Church, and there is no historical evidence to suggest they did. This is blatant falsification of proven historical fact, and by making this statement, you have just ruined any credibility you may have had on this forum.
Now what you call traditions of men, are Traditions of God that were established by Jesus Christ. One such tradition Jesus gave us is the sacrament of communion (also called the Eucharist) and commanded us: “do this in memory of me”. 1 Corinthians 11:24, Luke 22:19. In Corinthians 11 they were scolded by Paul because when they came together they didn’t eat the Lord’s supper.
This is what we refer to as a Straw Man argument. No where was it ever stated or implied in Nevermore22’s comment that Mary created a diety.
The Bible never mentions relying on Scripture alone or relying on one’s own understanding/interpretation either. But here you are doing it.
In case you haven’t noticed, I’m not Catholic. You’re dealing with an Orthodox Christian here, so I find it laughable that in trying to prove your Scripture Alone standpoint that you must resort to attacking Rome. Now tell me, how is my Church, which in all humility claims to be the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, in error? Oh, and how about you get the meaning of Catholic correct? The original meaning of “Catholic” was “completeness” not “universal”. Our Church, the Orthodox Church is Catholic in that Holy Orthodoxy preserves the fullness of faith which Christ gave to the Apostles and the Apostles to their successors and so on forth. Once you’re done telling me how my Church is in error, I would then like for you to show me one verse, just one verse is all I ask of you, which says that only the Bible contains all of the truth needed for salvation and that all other sources outside of the Bible are to be disregarded.
See you don’t understand because you manipulate words. You add words, you take away words.
You are now telling us what we believe?