How could the universe and life come into existence without God? How could life evolve without God?

[Michaelangelo]

Michaelangelo:

the big bang theory does not say anything about anything coming into existence, neither time or space. Individual scientists do speculate about what happened before the rapid expansion, called the big bang, we still experience. But we have no experimental data supporting these speculations.

Realize that modern astronomy is founded upon the concept of the Big Bang, which explains that Time and Matter came into existence together. Phycisist Georges Lemaitres used mathematics and physics to show that the universe not only had a beginning, but that it was also expanding. At the time, instead of being open to the theory, atheists called it foolish and widely speculative; ironically it was an atheist scientist who mockingly coined the phrase “the big bang” to dismiss Lemaitre’s theory. But it wasn’t long after that astronomer Edwin Hubble confirmed Lemaitre’s theory with actual observable evidence that the universe was indeed expanding. Today, Lemaitre’s “Big Bang” Theory is the foundation of modern astronomy, and Edwin Hubble has a telescope in space named after him.

Realize that you are parroting what you have picked up about a topic you haven’t actually studied. LeMaitre calculated, from the field equations in general relativity, that the universe was expanding. Based on this solution he then reversed the expansion and concluded that there must have been a creation like moment at a point in time. But there is nothing, and I repeat nothing, in general relativity or LeMaitres solution that deals with any creation of time and space. Just do the math yourself and you will see.

And why the “At the time, instead of being open to the theory, atheists called it foolish and widely speculative”? Do you think theists in general understood the hypothesis and gave it standing ovations?

 

[Michaelangelo]

Because God is the Eternal Rational Source that makes science possible. After all, the fact that the universe is comprehensible through the logical language of mathematics is proof that the Cause behind the Cosmos is a Rational Source

Let’s just agree to disagree on this one, shall we?

 

[Gab123]

But there is nothing, and I repeat nothing , in general relativity or LeMaitres solution that deals with any creation of time and space.

Once again, most astrophysicists will explain that matter was created at the very first moment of time, thought to be about 13 billion years ago. this event is known as the Big Bang .

Maybe the problem is that you got confused reading the Internet

Do you think theists in general

Atheists always try to convince themselves that science debunks the Bible, but science has only confirmed Genesis. For example, in the 1920s before Lemaitres proposed his theory about the Primordial Atom, The general thought was that the universe was eternal, and it was atheists who used that to claim that Bible was wrong to say that God created the universe.

Let’s just agree to disagree on this one, shall we?

Again, proof permeates nature and the cosmos itself that the Cause of the universe is an Eternal Rational Source. That you disagree with that Is fine, though it’s like disagreeing that 3x3=9. So it’s a matter of psychology not reason.
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[stoplooklisten]

Let’s just agree to disagree on this one, shall we?

Does that mean that you’re not open to new thoughts or ideas? I hope not.

I’ve heard of religious fundamentalists who aren’t particularly open to new ideas. I think that there can also be atheistic and secular fundamentalists.

 

[Freddy]

Science argues that time came into existence with the Big Band, thus the Cause Time is outside of time itself.

That’s not quite correct. The time we experience now probably started at the big bang. That there might be something ‘outside of time’ is an assumption. Can we agree that you need to note that prior to any argument?

 

[Gab123]

“Time” is a measurement of change. You grow old in time. At Creation time as we know it, and matter came into being. God is outside of time, being that God is unchangeable; He is Eternal —meaning there is no past or future in God, just an eternal present.

 

[Freddy]

“Time” is a measurement of change.

That there was nothing on the other side of the big bang and that there was nothing that changed is an assumption. Can we agree that you need to note that prior to any argument?

 

[Gab123]

Obviously the Cause of Time existed outside of Time, being that nothing cannot cause anything. That there was nothing is true, in the sense of a material something, as matter did not exist.

But there was the Cause. Which is not material, meaning not in time; to grasp this the word Spirit must be employed, meaning the realm of immaterial ideas. It is the Eternal Rational Being who exists outside of time and matter.

 

[Freddy]

Obviously the Cause of Time existed outside of Time, being that nothing cannot cause anything. That there was nothing is true, in the sense of a material something, as matter did not exist.

But you are talking about the time we experience now. You don’t know what was on the other side of the start of this universe. You don’t know that matter didn’t exist. You are making assumptions.

Can we agree that you need to note that prior to any argument?

And I Think you should Pare down your Excessive us of Capital letters. It Doesn’t do what you Think it does.

 

[Gab123]

But you are talking about the time we experience now . You don’t know what was on the other side of the start of this universe. You don’t know that matter didn’t exist.

The time we experience now, according to scientists, began approximately 13.8 billion years ago when the universe and everything in it began with the Big Bang. Though the mind of Man can grasp certain truths about our existence and realities, obviously our understanding is limited, being that we are finite beings. But, thee are solid intellectual proofs that the cause of our existence by necessity has to be an Eternal Rational Being.

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

But you are talking about the time we experience now . You don’t know what was on the other side of the start of this universe. You don’t know that matter didn’t exist.

The time we experience now, according to scientists, began approximately 13.8 billion years ago when the universe and everything in it began with the Big Bang.

That’s right. So on what basis are you saying that time didn’t exist on the other side of that event? It’s an assumption. I’d appreciate it if you made that point at the start of any argument.

 

[Gab123]

That’s right. So on what basis are you saying that time didn’t exist on the other side of that event? It’s an assumption. I’d appreciate it if you made that point at the start of any argument.

Again, Time is a measurement of change if matter simply does not exist, there is no time, being that there is nothing material to measure. that’s the point of astrophysicist saying that time and matter came into existence with the Big Bang. It’s not that hard to grasp. The comprehensible laws that govern cosmos and the nature of being is plain evidence that the Cause of the universe is an Eternal Rational Being.

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

That’s right. So on what basis are you saying that time didn’t exist on the other side of that event? It’s an assumption. I’d appreciate it if you made that point at the start of any argument.

Again, Time is a measurement of change if matter simply does not exist, there is no time, being that there is nothing material to measure. that’s the point of astrophysicist saying that time and matter came into existence with the Big Bang.

You keep ignoring what I’m saying. I think intentionally. The matter and the time this side of the big bang started with the big bang. Let’s keep this simple…

…do you know what was on the other side of the big bang?

 

[Gab123]

do you know what was on the other side of the big bang?

Yes. The Eternal Rational Being who willed our comps into existence

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

do you know what was on the other side of the big bang?

Yes. The Eternal Rational Being who willed our comps into existence

What if there was matter and time on the other side? Not our matter and time but both existed anyway in another existence. It wouldn’t be eternity. Which is what you are assuming.

 

[Gab123]

Regardless, the material cosmos necessitates an Eternal Rational Being as it’s cause. One has to understand that there is a hierarchy of life and intelligence that goes above and beyond Man. And just as Biology can ascertain certain truths about physical life, Theology With the aid of Divine revealed truths can grasp the higher realities of the nature of being and purpose.

 

[Freddy]

Regardless…

It’s not regardless. You used it as a basis for your argument:

At Creation time as we know it, and matter came into being. God is outside of time, being that God is unchangeable;

And that’s an assumption. You are basing your argument on it.

 

[Gab123]

All the scientific evidence points at time and matter coming into existence with the Big Bang. But logically, the Cosmos necessitates the Eternal Rational Being who is outside of Time.

 

[stoplooklisten]

The matter and the time this side of the big bang started with the big bang. Let’s keep this simple…

…do you know what was on the other side of the big bang?

The big bang is an important theory about the origins of the visible universe.

Do you know what’s on the other side of death? That’s the future destiny for us all. Do you know that Jesus Christ didn’t rise from the dead? Do you know that all humanity won’t be resurrected from the dead and face judgment and exist forever?

 

[Freddy]

All the scientific evidence points at time and matter coming into existence with the Big Bang.

Our time. And this existing matter. You are being purposely obtuse. Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut.