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Eric_Hyom
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Do we have the ability to test anything empirically pre Big Bang?
How could the universe and life come into existence without God? How could life evolve without God?
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o_mlly
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Uhhh, yeah. That’s the whole point. ??
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Eric_Hyom
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Mmmm hypothetical evidence, powerful stuff.
We are supposed to take notice of hypothetical causes because…
So far, there is no scientific evidence to show that the BB happened by natural causes.
Your answer falls in the category of “we don’t know”.
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rossum
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Yes. One of the strengths of science is that it is prepared to accept “we don’t know” as an answer pro tem.
Are you prepared to accept a non-intelligent cause of the Big Bang pro tem? After all it could be that God created branes and colliding branes then triggered the Big Bang. Something like: “Let the branes bring forth…” perhaps. God can create indirectly as well as directly.
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QContinuum
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No sir, not in sense that people believe prayer will heal them. I expect that the drug will likely resolve the infection based upon scientific data. However, I also know that if its resistant bacteria or is gram negative or positive and the infection is the other, the drug may be ineffective. For reasons demonstrable by scientific testing.
If a person prays for healing they are not just placing confidence in a model that’s reliably indicated to succeed. The very act of having faith is part of the process. It’s a main ingredient. And if they don’t have success, there’s no way to test the reasons why it failed. Because faith is not measurable.
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Noose001
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And that’s faith. Faith comes with hope. It is the same thing when you hope to get well after taking a drug. Even the doc that administers the drug has a lot of faith on the tested drug.
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lelinator
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Sorry, but if you think that putting your faith in God, and putting your faith in medicine is anything close to the same thing, then this couple, and may others like them have left a lot of dead children as testament to the fact that you’re wrong.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...he-child-died-and-now-theyre-going-to-prison/
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Noose001
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Of course God and medicine are not the same thing but faith is.
Complete trust or confidence on something or someone.
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lelinator
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Tell that to those dead children…faith in God or faith in medicine…what’s the difference?
The difference is that one has actual evidence to underpin that faith, while the other has nothing but fanciful claims and unwarranted hope.
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Noose001
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Faith in God is also about the ‘hereafter’ or life after death, so i don’t know what you are talking about.
Giving birth in hospital is not a guarantee that the child will live and giving birth at home is not a guarantee that the child will die.In each case, you hope.
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lelinator
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Sure, but try prayer in lieu of insulin for a child with type 1 diabetes and see what that gets you.
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Noose001
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I think there’s some confusion. If i put my trust in God, i do so hoping that the condition is entirely reversed knowing that whatever the outcome is, it will be the will of God and even in the afterlife.
If i put my trust in the doctors and insulin, i’m certain that the condition will be managed but not reversed but i can still hope to get well(having the condition reversed). The hope in both cases is the same. IOW, i’m hoping not to die from this condition.
I can put my trust in God that my child isn’t born with this condition but i can not put trust in insulin that my child isn’t born with this condition.
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Eric_Hyom
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Up until today, science has no convincing evidence to show that the universe happened by natural causes.
Adding pro tem on the end of your answer has no real meaning. If you are hoping that science will prove you right eventually, then you are entering into the realms of faith.
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rossum
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Up until today, theology has no convincing evidence to show that the universe happened by supernatural causes.
It was a warning against trying for a God-of-the-gaps strategy. That is a good way to make God smaller as the gap shrinks.
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englands123
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Most folk who doubt God , tend to also believe there is life on other planets or within the universe.
People who follow God know there is NO life on any other planet. Only the spiritual world.
For a extremely intelligent person, they will find that FACT impossible to understand.
So they , can keep looking as long as these intelligent people want. But it’s a waste of time ( no offence meant ).
People who follow God know there is NO life on any other planet. Only the spiritual world.
For a extremely intelligent person, they will find that FACT impossible to understand.
So they , can keep looking as long as these intelligent people want. But it’s a waste of time ( no offence meant ).
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englands123
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Eric_Hyom:
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Noose001
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Uhh but that’s the most natural position in the absence of empirical evidence and this applies to so many other realities; for example, up until today, we (you and me) just understand that darkness is real without any form of empirical evidence.
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o_mlly
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Philosophy put science, originally named the philosophy of nature, into its special little sandbox with the instructions, “Only appeal to natural causes for your observed effects. Thou shalt not appeal to the supernatural. We have others who do that special work.” The reason: we cannot depend on miracles in mastering nature to our benefit.
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rossum
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People who follow the Buddha know there IS life on other planets – scripture says so. Are you prepared to convert if scientists find life elsewhere in the universe?
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rossum
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I am Buddhist, not Christian. My understanding is different because my scriptures are different:
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