How did Islam get so popular?

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I understand Sinead O’Connor is angry and I understand why, but I can never understand her reactions to anything. People were abused in Ireland by clergy. Ireland was a mess 40 years ago and before. I get that. I hope that is not the reason she converted to Islam though. I’ll pray for her.
 
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The extremists are Islam though. In a sense, they’re “good Muslims.” I pray that the “bad Muslims” convert to the Church for the sake of their souls. But I’m not going to sugarcoat it, Islam is a violent religion which was spread through fear and domination, not preaching.
 
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The extremists are Islam though. In a sense, they’re “good Muslims.” I pray that the “bad Muslims” convert to the Church for the sake of their souls. But I’m not going to sugarcoat it, Islam is a violent religion which was spread through fear and domination, not preaching.
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How precisely are extremists “good Muslims”?
 
Because they are following their tradition to the letter. I’m not saying they are morally good, but in the context of Islamic teaching they are “good” Muslims. Much like a devout Catholic who follows the teachings of Catholicism is a “good” Catholic.
 
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Because they are following their tradition to the letter. I’m not saying they are morally good, but in the context of Islamic teaching they are “good” Muslims. Much like a devout Catholic who follows the teachings of Catholicism is a “good” Catholic.
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Have you read any of this thread? Historically, the Muslims treated many Christian communities better than the previous Christian rulers. Goodness gracious, just a review of the Byzantine persecution of the Miaphysites, followed afterwards by the general tolerance of groups like the Copts after the Muslims invaded ought to tell you that no, modern Islamist extremists are not “good Muslims”.
 
A bit like the crusades and the inquisition then? And the reformation.
 
Weren’t the crusades in response to the threat of Muslim invasion of Christian settlements in the Holy Land? Sounds like it falls under just war doctrine.

And as for the Inquisition, yes, people were put to death by the secular governments of the area. All the Inquisition did is determine whether someone had committed heresy and then left it up to the local government to dole out punishment. And even then, it is against Catholic teaching to kill unjustly, which would make violent persecutions of religious minorities the work of “bad Catholics.”

Yet Islam explicitly teaches that other religions should be killed if they do not convert. Just because there have been sects which have reinterpreted these teachings does not mean that the religion isn’t founded on violence.
 
I am talking about how splintered Christianity has become in the last 40-50 years or so.
 
The reformation and counter reformation ripped this country apart in the Middle Ages and it’s still felt today along with ongoing sectarianism in parts of Scotland and Northern Ireland . The Catholic Church and Church of England cannot say they are ‘better’ than Islam. There is plenty of violence perpetrated in the name of the Church in this day and age believe me
 
I have never met a hateful Muslim I have met many many many hateful Christians.
 
Is it really any worse than it has been over the last 500 or 600 years? The Protestant Reformation saw all sorts of schisms and splits, and then schisms within the schisms and splits within the splits. In a way, I view it as a sign of health, that there is still a dynamism is Christianity. It hasn’t become an ossified fossil like, say, Late Classical paganism or the Egyptian religion in its final stages.
 
…and don’t forget, “you want us to cut off the ends of our WHAT?

😂😂😂
 
I don’t disagree with you, there have been horrible things over the centuries committed by Catholics, look into the treatment of Jews. But that doesn’t mean that the Church teaches violence against these groups. The Church Herself is immaculate, but the people in it aren’t (just look at today).

And just because you know some “nice” Muslims doesn’t mean the religion itself is good. Just as bad Catholics do not make the Church Herself rotten.

You know, I wish Muslims would convert en masse to Catholicism. Because with their zeal they would put most Catholics to shame.
 
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Weren’t the crusades in response to the threat of Muslim invasion of Christian settlements in the Holy Land? Sounds like it falls under just war doctrine.
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The Holy Land was doing just fine. The Turkish conquerors by and large let the Christians be. There were social pressures to convert. The Crusades were more about trying to restore Byzantine authority over Anatolia and the Eastern Mediterranean, and for the Papacy, it was about getting the upper hand and forcing a reunion between the Eastern and Western Churches.
And as for the Inquisition, yes, people were put to death by the secular governments of the area. All the Inquisition did is determine whether someone had committed heresy and then left it up to the local government to dole out punishment. And even then, it is against Catholic teaching to kill unjustly, which would make violent persecutions of religious minorities the work of “bad Catholics.”
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There were multiple inquisitions. The inquisitions in the Papal States were by authorities who were both Temporal and Spiritual (they were, after all, the Pope’s personal domains).
Yet Islam explicitly teaches that other religions should be killed if they do not convert. Just because there have been sects which have reinterpreted these teachings does not mean that the religion isn’t founded on violence.
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Oh nonsense. The “People of the Book” were explicitly protected under Islam. I’m not saying it was perfect, and there were certainly persecutions of religious minorities in Medieval Islam, but nowhere near the extent of the persecutions of minorities in Christian lands. If you read this thread, you’ll find that Miaphysites and other non-Chalcedonian Christians in fact were better off under the Muslim rulers than they had been when the Byzantines had been persecuting them. Jews in Muslim lands were treated far more tolerantly than they were in Christendom during the same period.

Where would you have rather been a Jew in the 12th century, Bagdhad or London? If you were a Copt, would you have been better treated by your rulers in 6th century Egypt or 7th century Egypt?
 
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I don’t disagree with you, there have been horrible things over the centuries committed by Catholics, look into the treatment of Jews. But that doesn’t mean that the Church teaches violence against these groups. The Church Herself is immaculate, but the people in it aren’t (just look at today).

And just because you know some “nice” Muslims doesn’t mean the religion itself is good. Just as bad Catholics do not make the Church Herself rotten.

You know, I wish Muslims would convert en masse to Catholicism. Because with their zeal they would put most Catholics to shame.
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The historical record is clear. Jews were better treated in Medieval Islamic areas than they were in many parts of Christendom.

You have a lot of pseudo-historical nonsense to unlearn.
 
Yes, the Protestant Reformation is what led to the splintering of Christianity. However, I think for the
first 300 years after the Reformation there were the mainline denominations - Anglican, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian,
Baptist, Episcopal, Mennonite and then in the 1800’s more groups started popping up like the Mormons and somewhere down the line
Jehovah’s Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, Christian Scientists and the Church of Scientology. There were other groups - Assembly of God,
Church of the Nazarene. With many of these protestant denominations it is mainly up to the pastor how the services are led.
How can this be healthy to have this many different churches of Christianity?
 
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Despite what revisionists may say, Islam spread mainly through conquest, wiping Christianity out of all North Africa and taking Spain. They intended to take all Europe but by God’s will, they were stopped at Poitiers by the French King Charles Martel in the 8th century. Christianity is indeed the pillar of Western Civilization.
 
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