How did Islam get so popular?

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I guess thinking back on it in view of the Ayahtollah and the Iran hostage crisis, perhaps my teachers thought it was best to speed through the issue to avoid any sort of unpleasantness, even though in those days there weren’t many Muslims (apart from Nation of Islam) in USA and they weren’t very visible.
Even if you talk about the Iran, without some nuance about the great divide between Sunnis and Shias would at least be in order, not to mention the West’s role in interventions in Iran, particularly in WWII and in the 1950s when an American-backed coup reinstalled the Shah. I certainly would never defend the Islamic Republic; whether you ended up in a prison or worse because the Shah’s secret police yanked you out of your home in the middle of the night, of after 1979 it was the Ayatollah’s, Iran is a country of great potential that’s been run by ruthless men for a long time. The Shah was good because he was pro western , so his many sins are still ignored to this day.
 
Not sure what your point is as I said nothing political here other than noting that it was a hot button issue at the time I was in school, which it was. The Ayatollah was holding our people hostage and many Americans also blamed him rightly or wrongly for the gas crisis which was making it seriously hard for a lot of people to get to their work and go about daily life. Most of these affected people were not college educated then, many were veterans, and they weren’t interested in a political analysis of the Shah or US Policy. They just wanted the problems fixed. Anyway if you want to talk about that please start your own thread, I didn’t intend for this one to become the monster it did though several people did give good responses from a historic perspective, which is what I was looking for.
 
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If iran’s actions are brought up to condemn Islam then I think it’s pertinent to bring up the Shia and Sunni divide. There are historical reasons why Arab countries by and large deeply distrust iran.
 
Given that Islam seems to be the only major world religion founded after Christianity, I’m wondering just why/ how it got so popular?
My opinion is that it was spread over the centuries by coercion and not conversion. Nowadays Muslims do not have freewill. A Muslim who defects at best is disowned by his family or at worst executed.
 
Two main points you’re missing

(1) Muhammad beheaded non-believers, Jesus did not
(Invasion of Banu Qurayza - Wikipedia)
(2) Islam texts (Quran and Hadith) permit and even mandate killing of nonbelivers*(e.g. verse of the sword that states regarding non-believers “kill them wherever you find them”), New Testament and Gospel does not

Followers of Islam can feel justified in killing nonbelievers and forcing them to convert by pointing to (1) and (2) above and justify themselves as faithfully practicing Islam

Followers of Christianity cannot feel justified in killing nonbelievers and forcing them to convert by pointing to Jesus and Gospel, since it doesn’t justify that action

I hate to simply it all but it is that simple. All of the examples you bring up are not Christians, since they are not faithfully following the Gospel and practice of Jesus. All of the examples of brutal Islam armies forcing the conversion of nonbelievers are arguably faithfully following the practices of Muhammad and Islam text.

This same debate was already conducted between two Athiests, Cenk Uygur (who makes your argument) and Sam Harris (who makes my argument) its a 3 hour video but well worth watching since Harris completely destroys the argument that all religions are equally violent (or that Christianity is worse) by arguing (1) and (2) above as I do. Check it out. Again, its between two Athiests

 
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Plenty of followers Jesus killed plenty of unbelievers. But since Mohammed is not viewed by Muslims in the same way Jesus is by Christians, it’s a false equivalency.

But this is a pointless anyways. You seem to think I’m advocating for islam, which I’m not. I’m just saying that the actual history of Islam’s expansion isn’t the absurd hyperbole you want it to be, and that the Byzantine Empire’s treatment of its religious minorities was a big part of the reason that the Islamic invasions were so successful.
 
Plenty of followers Jesus killed plenty of unbelievers
Not “followers” of Jesus, since as I say above they “are not faithfully following the Gospel and practice of Jesus”. I suggest you read and re-read the above post. Its like saying followers of Atheism who go to Church and pray everyday. Or followers of Climate Change who pollute the ocean and litter. Or followers of Gender Equality who discriminate against women. Completely false and anyone suggesting they are followers is pushing a false narrative, likely for nefarious purposes.
Mohammed is not viewed by Muslims in the same way Jesus is by Christians
Yes in terms of serving as a model for behavior.
You seem to think I’m advocating for islam, which I’m not. I’m just saying that the actual history of Islam’s expansion isn’t the absurd hyperbole you want it to be
Not advocating for Islam but just defending the brutal and murderous slaughtering expansion of Islam
the Byzantine Empire’s treatment of its religious minorities was a big part of the reason that the Islamic invasions were so successful.
Again, not followers of Jesus or Christianity. See (1) and (2) in post above.
 
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Plenty of followers Jesus killed plenty of unbelievers
Not “followers” of Jesus, since as I say above they “are not faithfully following the Gospel and practice of Jesus”. I suggest you read and re-read the above post. Its like saying followers of Atheism who go to Church and pray everyday. Or followers of Climate Change who pollute the ocean and litter. Or followers of Gender Equality who discriminate against women. Completely false and anyone suggesting they are followers is pushing a false narrative, likely for nefarious purposes.
Mohammed is not viewed by Muslims in the same way Jesus is by Christians
Yes in terms of serving as a model for behavior.
You seem to think I’m advocating for islam, which I’m not. I’m just saying that the actual history of Islam’s expansion isn’t the absurd hyperbole you want it to be
Not advocating for Islam but just defending the brutal and murderous slaughtering expansion of Islam
the Byzantine Empire’s treatment of its religious minorities was a big part of the reason that the Islamic invasions were so successful.
Again, not followers of Jesus or Christianity. See (1) and (2) in post above.
This amounts to nothing more than a No True Scotsman fallacy.
 
Again, not followers of Jesus or Christianity. See (1) and (2) in post above.
I’m rather curious about this overall claim that the Byzantine Emperors and their Patriarchs weren’t followers of Christ. Similar activities occurred in the Western Empire. The persecution of Donatists in North Africa by Rome. The Papacy was no kinder to schismatic and heretical Christian sects than the Byzantine rulers in the East. So are you asserting that a number of Popes weren’t followers of Christ as well? After all, Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake as a heretic by the Roman Inquisition.

The Muslims were no more or less brutal than their Christian counterparts, but the record of their conquests in the 7th and 8th centuries demonstrate that the Muslims were able to capitalize on the persecutions of Miaphysites in North Africa and the Eastern Mediterranean by Byzantine authorities. Basically, in places like Egypt and Syria, the invaders offered a better deal for those Christians; tolerance and a tax, as opposed to the Byzantine efforts to just stamp Miaphysitism out.
 
I’m rather curious about this overall claim that the Byzantine Emperors and their Patriarchs weren’t followers of Christ.
Well since you dispute they weren’t followers of Christ, cite us the Gospel verses (take your time) permitting them to murder nonbelievers. If what you say is true, such verses will be no problem to find and cite. Again, take your time.
 
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I’m rather curious about this overall claim that the Byzantine Emperors and their Patriarchs weren’t followers of Christ.
Well since you dispute they weren’t followers of Christ, cite us the Gospel verses (take your time) permitting them to murder nonbelievers. If what you say is true, such verses will be no problem to find and cite. Again, take your time.
So now you’re going to lean on sola scriptura? Are you a Catholic?
 
Luke 19.27 since you like to play highlighter edition with the Qur’an.

Pop quiz time!

What did Augustine of Hippo say about persecuting Donatists?

What did Bernard of Clairvaux say about killing Muslims?

What did Thomas Aquinas say about punishing heretics?
 
Luke 19.27
Jesus telling a parable, a story intended to teach a lesson, not a command to kill anybody., and clearly you didn’t read it.
Luke 19:11-27 While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once. He said: “A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas. ‘Put this money to work,’ he said, ‘until I come back.’ “But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, ‘We don’t want this man to be our king.’ “He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it. “The first one came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned ten more.’ “‘Well done, my good servant!’ his master replied. ‘Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.’ “The second came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned five more.’ “His master answered, ‘You take charge of five cities.’ “Then another servant came and said, ‘Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth. I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.’ “His master replied, ‘I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? Why then didn’t you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?’ “Then he said to those standing by, ‘Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.’ “‘Sir,’ they said, ‘he already has ten!’ “He replied, ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what they have will be taken away. But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’”
 
Jesus telling a parable , a story intended to teach a lesson, not a command to kill anybody., and clearly you didn’t read it.
And clearly you didn’t read the rest of what I said.
Luke 19.27 since you like to play highlighter edition with the Qur’an.
It was a joke, get it? You jolly jokers quote things out of context all the time.

Also, why don’t you answer the pop quiz?
 
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