How did you react when same sex marriage became legal?

[Indigo_Cardinal]

Shalom!

I would just like to know how some of you felt when you found out same sex marriage (“SSM”) was legal.It could be any situation: in your state, when Prop 8 was ruled unconstitutional etc.

If you were/are against legalized civil SSM did you experience any sort of “facepalm reaction”? Imagine you really wanted a certain president to win and he/she did not. Was your reaction to SSM being legalized similar to that if that president didn’t win? Was like facepalm “oh no!!!”?

I’m just trying to get a sense of how people FELT/FEEL.

As for me: I was happy, but more like happy for others because I myself am a heterosexual man.

As for my beliefs, they, like for lots of Jews (even “religious” ones), fluid:
Here’s a starting point:
myjewishlearning.com/life/Sex_and_Sexuality.shtml

Same as you, happy for others (I’m a heterosexual woman), especially a friend of mine who was able to marry his boyfriend of 18 years.

 

[Pug]

I was unsurprised. I felt some sorrow for the state of the family that will be experienced by later generations of children.

 

[Captain_America]

I was seriously sad. I still am. I’m sad for my kids, who will be called bigots for supporting a Biblical definition of marriage (as I am called). I’m angered that my state will now be indoctrinating kids as young as kindergarten that homosexual marriage is normal and those who oppose are the problem. I’m sad for the children who will be purposely placed in a home without a mother or father.

I agree entirely.

I am also very deeply concerned about state power pushing so hard into our lives----how and where can it be limited? Can government do anything it (or, practically speaking, a small radical fringe who grab control, abetting by a complacent judiciary)----do we really want in America a government that can, overnight, cause such vast social change?

Is this Stalinistic? Do we want a federal government that can act this way?

I’ve never been a no-government, low-government person; always felt in support of government programs and such. . . but for the first time this has caused me to raise these very basic questions about the extent and limits of state coercive power.

 

[Robert_Sock]

I was surprised that same sex marriage became legal, but now that it is, it’s not too much of an issue to me. I feel a deep love for homosexuals.

 

[on_the_hill]

I think it’s the opposite of stalinistic. If it were stalinistic the govt would be telling people who they’re allowed to marry. This situation goes just the opposite, the govt saying it doesn’t care who gets married.

 

[Jeanne_S]

I was surprised that same sex marriage became legal, but now that it is, it’s not too much of an issue to me. I feel a deep love for homosexuals.

As a Catholic,better you show your deep love for those with SSA by discouraging them from acting in their desires.This is the truly loving thing to do.

 

[David_Goliath]

I was surprised that same sex marriage became legal, but now that it is, it’s not too much of an issue to me. I feel a deep love for homosexuals.

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Have other Catholics criticized you because to you “it isn’t much of an issue”?
Are you prepared to participate in “rallies” (with signs, etc) or even actively stop a same sex wedding?****

I don’t want this thread to turn into a debate on SSM. As you can see pretty much just allowing this to be a place to express reactions. I hope these questions here aren’t too tangential.

Thank you.

 

[Robert_Sock]

As a Catholic,better you show your deep love for those with SSA by discouraging them from acting in their desires.This is the truly loving thing to do.

It’s really up to them if they want to give up sex or not; my voicing my own opinion is not going to motivate them. But we may will them in our prayers to change.

 

[Havard]

It’s really up to them if they want to give up sex or not; my voicing my own opinion is not going to motivate them.

“If I say to the wicked, You shall surely die—and you do not warn them or speak out to dissuade the wicked from their evil conduct in order to save their lives—then they shall die for their sin, but I will hold you responsible for their blood.” - Ezekiel 3:18.

It doesn’t matter if people are amenable or not. We have a moral obligation and we will be held to account for it…

 

[centerbe]

Same sex marriage became legal here (Canada) over 10 years ago now. At first I found this quite upsetting. I thought it devalued marriage and its meaning. Over time my opinion has changed. SSM takes nothing away from my marriage and the Catholic Church is not required to conduct SSM. If the state sanctions SSM it is no concern of mine. Live and let live. It’s not as if heterosexuals have honoured and maintained the sanctity of marriage over the centuries.

 

[master_mahan]

when same-sex marriage was first legal in New Zealand, I was disappointed at first
but then I became to realise same-sex marriage doesn’t effort me in anyway.
so now I didn’t really care.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Same sex marriage became legal here (Canada) over 10 years ago now. At first I found this quite upsetting. I thought it devalued marriage and its meaning. Over time my opinion has changed. SSM takes nothing away from my marriage and the Catholic Church is not required to conduct SSM. If the state sanctions SSM it is no concern of mine. Live and let live. It’s not as if heterosexuals have honoured and maintained the sanctity of marriage over the centuries.

Your mindset and others’ that are of the same mind are really missing the point.
SS unions go against God’s natural law. Man and woman were designed by God to complement each other.Marital sex is to be unitive,open to life.This is impossible with SS relationships.The live and let live,as long as it doesn’t effect me,is ruinous and shortsighted.
From the Catholic
perspective,SSA in and of themselves are not sinful.Acting on them,much the way a non married heterosexual couple may act on their sexual desires,is when it becomes sinful.
Considering it from a secular perspective,it should still matter.

 

[epan]

Shalom!

I would just like to know how some of you felt when you found out same sex marriage (“SSM”) was legal.It could be any situation: in your state, when Prop 8 was ruled unconstitutional etc.

If you were/are against legalized civil SSM did you experience any sort of “facepalm reaction”? Imagine you really wanted a certain president to win and he/she did not. Was your reaction to SSM being legalized similar to that if that president didn’t win? Was like facepalm “oh no!!!”?

I’m just trying to get a sense of how people FELT/FEEL.

As for me: I was happy, but more like happy for others because I myself am a heterosexual man.

As for my beliefs, they, like for lots of Jews (even “religious” ones), fluid:
Here’s a starting point:
myjewishlearning.com/life/Sex_and_Sexuality.shtml

It is such a small percentage of the population, that the impact is minimal in practical terms. On the social justice front, another area of unjust discrimination is struck down. All in all, any rational and just person would agree.

The only objections to social justice in this case appear to be religious prejudice.

 

[centerbe]

Your mindset and others’ that are of the same mind are really missing the point.
SS unions go against God’s natural law. Man and woman were designed by God to complement each other.Marital sex is to be unitive,open to life.This is impossible with SS relationships.The live and let live,as long as it doesn’t effect me,is ruinous and shortsighted.
From the Catholic
perspective,SSA in and of themselves are not sinful.Acting on them,much the way a non married heterosexual couple may act on their sexual desires,is when it becomes sinful.
Considering it from a secular perspective,it should still matter.

Yes I do understand the point being made. Your comments sum up how I felt when SSA was passed into law here. I have come to realize and accept that SSA has existed as long as man has existed.

As a Catholic I understand that we are all called to chastity but heterosexuals can also be called to marriage as many are. For people with SSA chastity is the only option. As humans most of us want companionship and closeness to someone we love and want to spend our lives with. Being a Catholic with SSA is a tough road to hoe and not all are up to it. I fully understand why some with SSA leave the church to have a life with someone they love. Who am I to judge?

We do not live in a Catholic state. Sacramental marriages and civil marriages are separate. If the government permits SSM to provide the same rights to all, then so be it. Leave the Catholic Church to sanction sacramental marriages and life goes on for all. The world has not ended since SSM were made legal here. Life goes on and always will.

 

[Jeanne_S]

It is such a small percentage of the population, that the impact is minimal in practical terms. On the social justice front, another area of unjust discrimination is struck down. All in all, any rational and just person would agree.

The only objections to social justice in this case appear to be religious prejudice.

When religious liberties are disregarded in favor of accommodating “social justice” as you put it,where do we draw the line?When our children and grandchildren are being indoctrinated in the schools to not only accept but heck,embrace all manner of sexual preferences as mere alternative lifestyles,to normalize them,how should we react?
Political correctness is and will continue to unravel our society.It is absurd that now we are losing our liberties to, as you put it a small minority that are demanding we sacrifice our beliefs just so they can feel better about their lifestyle.
You consider this irrational and unjust.IMO ,if you or anyone cheering on the cause of SS unions actually removed your feel good emotions from the issue,thought it out logically,you may very well come toms different conclusion.

 

[epan]

When religious liberties are disregarded in favor of accommodating “social justice” as you put it,where do we draw the line?When our children and grandchildren are being indoctrinated in the schools to not only accept but heck,embrace all manner of sexual preferences as mere alternative lifestyles,to normalize them,how should we react?
Political correctness is and will continue to unravel our society.It is absurd that now we are losing our liberties to, as you put it a small minority that are demanding we sacrifice our beliefs just so they can feel better about their lifestyle.
You consider this irrational and unjust.IMO ,if you or anyone cheering on the cause of SS unions actually removed your feel good emotions from the issue,thought it out logically,you may very well come toms different conclusion.

Ah so… religious liberty is the “fascist” right? I disagree. Religious liberty should be balanced against other liberties.

I would strongly oppose requiring the Roman Church to marry homosexuals. At the same time I strongly oppose persecution of the practice of other religions, which allow SSM. I also support the civil rights of homosexuals.

Can you not see that the same social justice ideals which allows a religion as ancient as the Roman Church to practice with tax exemption regardless of the beliefs, also protects other equally valid points of view?

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

I was saddened regarding SSM. It is an indication that we have lost the essense of what marriage is truly about…or what it was about.

Marriage is (was) about two persons of the opposite sex who compliment each other coming together to form a family unit and then raise a family for the betterment of a stable society.

The loss of the true definition of marriage happened long before I was born. I believe it started when married people started to accept artificial contraception as the norm. It started to gain steam among the Christian community around the turn of the century when some Protestant denominations started to accept that sex without consequences was okay in a marital setting.

This mindset has eventually led us to where we are today…where people look and say ‘we hereosexual people can get married and limit our children with no consequence of our sexual encounters of having children, therefore how can we say people of the same sex can’t do the same?’

So I am saddened that the Christian view of marriage is losing the battle. The legalization of same sex marriage saddens me more by those who are voting to make it legal moreso than the court system because it is an indication that less and less people agree with the Christian values passed down to us by Jesus our Lord and Savior.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Ah so… religious liberty is the “fascist” right? I disagree. Religious liberty should be balanced against other liberties.

I would strongly oppose requiring the Roman Church to marry homosexuals. At the same time I strongly oppose persecution of the practice of other religions, which allow SSM. I also support the civil rights of homosexuals.

Can you not see that the same social justice ideals which allows a religion as ancient as the Roman Church to practice with tax exemption regardless of the beliefs, also protects other equally valid points of view?

My faith shapes my beliefs .The Catholic Church embraces those with SSA as deserving of the same dignity that is afforded all of God’s children.Again,one man one women He created them.This with the express purpose of uniting in marriage,opening themselves up as a married couple ,to new life.Cooperating with Him. Catholic Charities have already been forced to close their doors due to noncompliance re allowing SS couples to adopt. This is just the beginning.It is a disordered lifestyle and as such cannot and should not be normalized.Tolerance and acceptance are not one in the same.

 

[David_Goliath]

Your mindset and others’ that are of the same mind are really missing the point.
SS unions go against God’s natural law. Man and woman were designed by God to complement each other.Marital sex is to be unitive,open to life.This is impossible with SS relationships.The live and let live,as long as it doesn’t effect me,is ruinous and shortsighted.
From the Catholic
perspective,SSA in and of themselves are not sinful.Acting on them,much the way a non married heterosexual couple may act on their sexual desires,is when it becomes sinful.
Considering it from a secular perspective,it should still matter.

G-d’s natural law? Well, what about other religious people (such as many in my Jewish community) who accept that perhaps G-d allows certain people to have same sex/romantic attractions and might be ok with the committed and monogamous embrace thereof? And that the world is slowly coming to accept this difficult Social change.?The Jewish community has been quite vocal in the LGBT rights movement because of our views. I’m just saying we both think we are doing “G-d’s work”.

youtube.com/watch?v=GvmqiAsvaxI
GvmqiAsvaxI

I won’t get into some Jewish interpretations of certain “Old Testament” passages here. Jews also have the Talmud, mishna and Midrash to consider. And Judaism
is deliberately non-Fundementalist and non dogmatic with more emphasis on tikkun olam (repairing the world with our lives)

As Rep. Steve Simon (Jew, member of Temple Israel in MN)says : how many gay people does G-d need to make before we accept that maybe He wants them around?

youtube.com/watch?v=hXpOA3jPC04
hXpOA3jPC04

I can see how some might be uncomfortable with certain promiscuous in your face
gay/lesbian people, but heterosexuals themselves can be just as if not more so.
And within both communities there are people in committed monogamous relations.

Personally, I think G-d “made” some people with same sex/romantic attractions.
As a heterosexual man now it doesn’t bother me. It’s not something I desire. To me it’s just like my brother likes pizza and I don’t.

You can say that SSM violates your interpretation of G-d’s natural law, but there are
different interpretations of G-d’s natural law.

Is the legalizing of SSM the best compromise to balance this spectrum of interpretation of G-d’s natural law, especially when religious institutions are not required to perform SSM if they do not want to?

 

[Jeanne_S]

G-d’s natural law? Well, what about other religious people (such as many in my Jewish community) who accept that perhaps G-d allows certain people to have same sex/romantic attractions. The Jewish community has been quite vocal in the LGBT rights movement because of our views. I’m just saying we both think we are doing “G-d’s work”.

youtube.com/watch?v=GvmqiAsvaxI
GvmqiAsvaxI

I won’t get into some Jewish interpretations of certain “Old Testament” passages here. Jews also have the Talmud, mishna and Midrash to consider. And Judaism
is deliberately non-Fundementalist and non dogmatic with more emphasis on tikkun olam (repairing the world with our lives)

As Rep. Steve Simon (Jew, member of Temple Israel in MN)says : how many gay people does G-d need to make before we accept that maybe He wants them around?

youtube.com/watch?v=hXpOA3jPC04
hXpOA3jPC04

I can see how some might be uncomfortable with certain promiscuous in your face
gay/lesbian people, but heterosexuals themselves can be just as if not more so.
And within both communities there are people in committed monogamous relations.

Personally, I think G-d “made” some people with same sex/romantic attractions.
As a heterosexual man now it doesn’t bother me. It’s not something I desire. To me it’s just like my brother likes pizza and I don’t.

You can say that SSM violates your interpretation of G-d’s natural law, but there are
different interpretations of G-d’s natural law.

Is the legalizing of SSM the best compromise to balance this spectrum of interpretation of G-d’s natural law, especially when religious institutions are not required to perform SSM if they do not want to?

Truth isn’t subjective.