How do catholic women or men justify their consciences with using contraception?

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Where on earth were your parents and grandparents all this time? :confused:
Also, my mom herself is sterilized. She had a tubal after her 5th pregnancy. So yeah…she didn’t teach me this. I don’t have any faithful Catholics in my daily life. None.

eta - except my husband, praise God!
 
My grandparents were there. We had our rehearsal dinner at their home. Even my great grandmother was there. All Catholic. No one said a word to me about it. I don’t think they knew. I actually think there was a time when it was believed that you couldn’t marry in the church if both were not Catholic. That was either reality or a widely held myth. Back then, communication and information wasn’t as easily accessible. Because of this, none of the four of us kids married in the church as we all married non-Catholics (very low Catholic population here).
Wow. 😦
I’m sure the Deacon was not an NFP instructor but why do people in my diocese not receive catechesis on the teachings of the church regarding sex, marriage, contraception, etc when preparing for marriage?
That’s very sad!
The preCana was more like a secular ‘how to get along’ retreat. Very very disappointing. My diocese is actually over an hour away from my home.
You can probably call the main number and find out if there is something like a pro-life office, or something like that. You wouldn’t have to go in person.

Most Dioceses also have web sites that indicate what Offices they have available, and sometimes you can call them on a direct line.
I haven’t been able to find any Catholic NFP instructors in my immediate area. The closest is 45+ minutes away through a busy/congested tunnel and she isn’t responding to my attempts to contact her. We actually want to take an NFP class to TTC.
Keep on trying - and ask if they have someone who does home visits, if it’s hard for you to get to them. If you haven’t tried your parish office yet, try them - sometimes the office staff have a favourite person that they go to themselves.
 
You can probably call the main number and find out if there is something like a pro-life office, or something like that. You wouldn’t have to go in person.

Most Dioceses also have web sites that indicate what Offices they have available, and sometimes you can call them on a direct line.

Keep on trying - and ask if they have someone who does home visits, if it’s hard for you to get to them. If you haven’t tried your parish office yet, try them - sometimes the office staff have a favourite person that they go to themselves.
I just checked the diocese website and the closest instructors are all at least 45 minutes away. I doubt very seriously that any would be willing to make home visits. But hey, I’ll ask 👍!
 
I just checked the diocese website and the closest instructors are all at least 45 minutes away. I doubt very seriously that any would be willing to make home visits. But hey, I’ll ask 👍!
It can’t hurt anything, for sure. 🙂
 
Wow.

Your confirmation teacher should never have been in a religious education position.

Is it just America that’s so bad?
Yes, this was California in the late '80s. We learned nothing of substance in that class. Almost none of my former classmates is a practicing Catholic now.
 
My parents and grandparents were there. IIRC, my mom was the one who told me we couldn’t marry in the church. We had our rehearsal dinner at my grandparent’s home. Even my great grandmother was there. All Catholic. No one said a word to me about it. I don’t think they knew. I actually think there was a time when it was believed that you couldn’t marry in the church if both were not Catholic. That was either reality or a widely held myth. Back then, communication and information wasn’t as easily accessible. Because of this, none of the four of us kids married in the church as we all married non-Catholics (very low Catholic population here).

I’m sure the Deacon was not an NFP instructor but why do people in my diocese not receive catechesis on the teachings of the church regarding sex, marriage, contraception, etc when preparing for marriage? The preCana was more like a secular ‘how to get along’ retreat. Very very disappointing. My diocese is actually over an hour away from my home. I haven’t been able to find any Catholic NFP instructors in my immediate area. The closest is 45+ minutes away through a busy/congested tunnel and she isn’t responding to my attempts to contact her. We actually want to take an NFP class to TTC.
Yes, I learned that too. It was true long ago. My grandparents were married in the rectory because my grandpa wasn’t baptized. My grandma said she could have divorced him because it wasn’t a church wedding. I married a divorced unbaptized man based on what she told me. There are so many myths out there.
 
Apparently I have been unable to convey my point to you. What I meant was not that contracepting couples literally think about genocide or starvation when they reach for the condoms - they just think that contraception is “not a big deal” when compared to other horrfic things going on in the world. Why worry about condoms when people are killing each other and starving.

I’ve heard it often. “Really, God couldn’t possibly care about how my husband and I plan our family when there are people out there doing ___.”
I know you are just communicating what other people think not necessarily your thoughts but I have never understood that logic. “I’m a good person as long as I did not commit genocide” Is never a logical way to look at sin and evil and being Catholic. Imagine if we all applied this criteria to every sin! As long as it isn’t the worst thing imaginable it is OK with God!?
 
I know you are just communicating what other people think not necessarily your thoughts but I have never understood that logic. “I’m a good person as long as I did not commit genocide” Is never a logical way to look at sin and evil and being Catholic. Imagine if we all applied this criteria to every sin! As long as it isn’t the worst thing imaginable it is OK with God!?
Most people couldn’t care less about God and sin, though. Looking at it through a prism of a person who posts on Catholic Answers is not the norm.

For most people, it is all about “me, me, me.” They are unwilling to sacrifice for their children , for the spouse, and thus, there is no way they’ll sacrifice for God.
 
How is it that so many Catholics don’t know that the Church’s teachings are God’s teachings? Seriously. Did they skip all religious education and sleep through all Masses?
Apparently.

I find it interesting that most marriages that end in divorce are those that are not following the teachings that Jesus gave to His Church. Or if they do survive, one of the spouses at least has an understanding of these teachings.

Co-habitation and pre-marital sex are the other weapons Satan uses to lead souls down the wrong path. I also think priests need not turn down couples who are co-habitating and refuse to let them get married in the Catholic church. I know 4 couples that this has happened to. Perhaps they didn’t know the teaching and since conversion cannot be forced upon a person, the hope is that when they are “enlightenend” with the facts, then a true conversion can take place.

Didn’t Jesus come to save the sinner? So why are we shutting the door on them?

In the Gospel of Luke, Jesus says, that He has been sent to proclaim release to the captives and recover their sight because they are blind, to let the oppressed go free. That can’t be done, if we refuse to let them in.
 
You could justify it if you mistakenly think the Church tells the congregation to keep having as many children as possible. Therefore, you might feel the Church oversteps it’s boundaries.

It says to be open to life in a generous way, and to abstain from the conjugal act only for serious/grave reasons, to be determined by the couple in prayer and maybe with the help of a spiritual counselor.

NFP isn’t the same as ABC. ABC engages in the marital act with the intent of disrupting/going against=contra, one of it’s two purposes, according to Catholic perspective, 1) procreation, 2) unity of the married couple. I think you could substantiate it’s potential to undermine the 2nd reason as well.

I’ve never seen another Scripture passage more abused, misrepresented, used as a social missile, than the “judge not” on in Matthew 7:1-6). :eek: 1) you’re supposed to remove the plank from your own eye first, before you help your brother try to remove his. 2) You’re not judging his motive to say there’s a plank in his eye. You’re not saying he meant to put it there. Only God can sees the heart and he’ll sort that part out for all of us. It’s our job to give brotherly love, which includes all the warm fuzzies, but also assisting a brother who seems to have some spiritual blindness. Whether or not they accept is there choice.
 
I know you are just communicating what other people think not necessarily your thoughts but I have never understood that logic. “I’m a good person as long as I did not commit genocide” Is never a logical way to look at sin and evil and being Catholic. Imagine if we all applied this criteria to every sin! As long as it isn’t the worst thing imaginable it is OK with God!?
I think the idea is more, “God isn’t paying any attention to me, so I can hide in the corner and do whatever I want, because He’s too busy elsewhere.”

A lot of people imagine that God is a being like ourselves, whose attention can be diverted, and who only has a certain amount of time to give to each task.
 
I think the idea is more, “God isn’t paying any attention to me, so I can hide in the corner and do whatever I want, because He’s too busy elsewhere.”

A lot of people imagine that God is a being like ourselves, whose attention can be diverted, and who only has a certain amount of time to give to each task.
I think, too, it’s easy to write it off as “not that big of a deal” because it is so widely accepted in the world, even by other devout Christians. It is one of the only things that our faith asks of us that other faiths don’t. If all the Protestants, Mormons, Jews, etc. are happily living life while using contraception - then is it REALLY that big of a deal? When health insurance covers it, there are ads for it on TV and in magazines, it’s a common topic of discussion amongst girlfriends, it’s up on a poster at the OB’s office… It’s simply not a controversial topic the way abortion, euthanasia, premarital sex or gay marriage are. It’s considered 100% acceptable, and not just in a “seedy atheistic secular” capacity. As Catholics, we pretty much stand alone against contraception in the Chriatian world. So, it’s hard to imagine that it can really be that evil and awful when all the other Christians confirm that it’s fine for married couples. On top of that, you’ve got most baptized Catholics using it, and Catholic Churches aren’t exactly preaching about NFP from the pulpits. I’ve never heard contraception mentioned at Mass in 30 years. My pre-marriage counseling made no mention of contraception or NFP. Amongst even many churchgoing Catholics, it’s almost considered a silly joke - who would be so old fashioned and follow THAT ridiculous teaching?

And I ain’t got NO idea how to change that!
 
I think, too, it’s easy to write it off as “not that big of a deal” because it is so widely accepted in the world, even by other devout Christians. It is one of the only things that our faith asks of us that other faiths don’t. If all the Protestants, Mormons, Jews, etc. are happily living life while using contraception - then is it REALLY that big of a deal? When health insurance covers it, there are ads for it on TV and in magazines, it’s a common topic of discussion amongst girlfriends, it’s up on a poster at the OB’s office… It’s simply not a controversial topic the way abortion, euthanasia, premarital sex or gay marriage are. It’s considered 100% acceptable, and not just in a “seedy atheistic secular” capacity. As Catholics, we pretty much stand alone against contraception in the Chriatian world. So, it’s hard to imagine that it can really be that evil and awful when all the other Christians confirm that it’s fine for married couples. On top of that, you’ve got most baptized Catholics using it, and Catholic Churches aren’t exactly preaching about NFP from the pulpits. I’ve never heard contraception mentioned at Mass in 30 years. My pre-marriage counseling made no mention of contraception or NFP. Amongst even many churchgoing Catholics, it’s almost considered a silly joke - who would be so old fashioned and follow THAT ridiculous teaching?

And I ain’t got NO idea how to change that!
It is the Devil’s oldest trick - “Did God really say … ?”
 
I think, too, it’s easy to write it off as “not that big of a deal” because it is so widely accepted in the world, even by other devout Christians. It is one of the only things that our faith asks of us that other faiths don’t. If all the Protestants, Mormons, Jews, etc. are happily living life while using contraception - then is it REALLY that big of a deal? When health insurance covers it, there are ads for it on TV and in magazines, it’s a common topic of discussion amongst girlfriends, it’s up on a poster at the OB’s office… It’s simply not a controversial topic the way abortion, euthanasia, premarital sex or gay marriage are. It’s considered 100% acceptable, and not just in a “seedy atheistic secular” capacity. As Catholics, we pretty much stand alone against contraception in the Chriatian world. So, it’s hard to imagine that it can really be that evil and awful when all the other Christians confirm that it’s fine for married couples. On top of that, you’ve got most baptized Catholics using it, and Catholic Churches aren’t exactly preaching about NFP from the pulpits. I’ve never heard contraception mentioned at Mass in 30 years. My pre-marriage counseling made no mention of contraception or NFP. Amongst even many churchgoing Catholics, it’s almost considered a silly joke - who would be so old fashioned and follow THAT ridiculous teaching?

And I ain’t got NO idea how to change that!
This. Even suggesting that couples have as many children as God gives them, gets you pigeon-holed into the “religious NUT” category. People can also state out loud that they support the THEORY of not using contraceptives, but personally, they are using ABC and will continue to use it; they have an “out,” because (insert a million different excuses and rationalizations). I think most Catholics believe that it can’t really be a sin. They have never heard anything to the contrary, and as you say, “everyone else is doing it, so why not us?”

I have heard every single rationalization from my husband, a lapsed cradle Catholic. Every single one. Since we don’t come at this issue from the same point of belief, it’s like trying to yell across train tracks to the guy on a train going the opposite direction - we’re never going to meet in the middle. 😦
 
It’s GOD’S law, not the Church’s. Or, rather, it’s GOD’S law expressed through the Church. And hey! Guess what! God gives you everything you have in your life to care for and support your family and children!

Sheesh. What an attitude.

:rolleyes:
So those who cannot feed their children enough to be health is because they do the right they with all that God gave them? Seriously? Those born on the streets, all those children dying in Africa? Those who sending their children into sweat shop to have enough money to buy minimal amount of food? God is giving them what they need?:eek:
 
So those who cannot feed their children enough to be health is because they do the right they with all that God gave them? Seriously? Those born on the streets, all those children dying in Africa? Those who sending their children into sweat shop to have enough money to buy minimal amount of food? God is giving them what they need?:eek:
Welcome back. My post was addressed specifically to that poster. I will let your post stand on its own.
 
I know you are just communicating what other people think not necessarily your thoughts but I have never understood that logic. “I’m a good person as long as I did not commit genocide” Is never a logical way to look at sin and evil and being Catholic. Imagine if we all applied this criteria to every sin! As long as it isn’t the worst thing imaginable it is OK with God!?
So all the sins you commit should be considered as bad as murder?
 
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