her best bet may be another Catholic church, of a differnt rite.The OP does not say where in the US she is located, but as far as I am aware, those are the only two churches in the US.
are you asking about the Coptic Orthodox church or the Coptic Catholic church?Hey, do the Catholic Copts say the Trisagion of Peter the Fuller “…who was crucified for us”…? What is the status of post schism coptic saints?
In a Tridentine High Mass, the Priest and the Deacon are in dialog with each other and the choir, which represents the laity. If the laity knows the material, they sing with the choir. That, and incense, finishes the recipe for the high mass. Unfortunately not all TLM are sung, and I have never, ever liked Low Masses, in which nearly everything is said silently and almost nothing is sung. Gregorian Chant is the great legacy of the Latin church, and yet how many RCC parishes use it?Why the anger? You may feel more in touch and comfortable with the Coptic Liturgy but why the anger you have for the Latin Mass? I feel much more spiritually connected to the East but I hold no anger to the TLM. In fact I think the TLM is beautiful!
okay I think it’s wonderful that you like the Latin Mass I just don’t have connection with that. when I first saw the Coptic Orthodox liturgy and how many connections it has to what matters to me most I felt the same way as both of you feel about the Latin Mass you have no idea how excited I was to find out that there was a Coptic Catholic church I thought it was a dream come true. But then I find out there’s no way I can be Coptic simply because I can’t get to the church. It’s not that I hate the Latin rite I don’t but how would you feel if you fell in love with the Latin Mass and then found out you couldn’t go because the church is on the other side of the country. Do you have any idea how awful and devastating that is? Yes I’m angrybut it’s out of sheer frustration and heartbreak not because I hate the traditional Latin Mass. I just don’t want to go to one at all because I don’t see it the same way you guys do. Wouldn’t you be a frustrated if you couldn’t belong to the riteof your choice??In a Tridentine High Mass, the Priest and the Deacon are in dialog with each other and the choir, which represents the laity. If the laity knows the material, they sing with the choir. That, and incense, finishes the recipe for the high mass. Unfortunately not all TLM are sung, and I have never, ever liked Low Masses, in which nearly everything is said silently and almost nothing is sung. Gregorian Chant is the great legacy of the Latin church, and yet how many RCC parishes use it?
I was at a Greek Orthodox Divine liturgy, and despite some liturgical eccentricities, it’s everything you could ever want from a TLM High Mass. It also helps that Koine/Liturgical Greek bears some resemblance to its Latin linguistic neighbor. Slavonic hymnody, IMHO, is heaven on earth.
Anyway, there are many parallels between TLM High mass and Orthodox services. So count me in as another vote for “appreciative” of both TLM and the Orthodox liturgy.
hopefully this will answer your questions if not do a search because there are plenty of articles on this issue in the Catholic Encyclopedia.Hey, do the Catholic Copts say the Trisagion of Peter the Fuller “…who was crucified for us”…? What is the status of post schism coptic saints?
I have been struggling to figure out how to post what the Catholic faith is worldwide. Brother Kryillos, according to CNEWA.ORG as of 2008, there were 9 Mil Coptic Orthodox. and 1.5 Mil Greek Melkite Catholics for a total of .84% of all Catholics worldwide.Dear Sister in Christ Aydan:
There have been many responses to this thread, but I would like to take a few moments to clarify some things about Coptic Christianity.
First of all the term Copt, strictly used, refers to the indigenous inhabitants of Egypt, regardless of religion. It is commonly used to refer to Egyptian Christians.
Hope this helps
The exact number of Christians in Egypt is a political football. The government wants to minimize the number and the Church wants to maximize it. Best independent estimates put the Coptic Orthodox inside Egypt at +/- 10 million, with another 5 million living outside Egypt.I have been struggling to figure out how to post what the Catholic faith is worldwide. Brother Kryillos, according to CNEWA.ORG as of 2008, there were 9 Mil Coptic Orthodox. and 1.5 Mil Greek Melkite Catholics for a total of .84% of all Catholics worldwide.
Isn’t it unbelieveable we have a Universal Church? And Brother Kryillos, please bear with me. I feel more and more people as I do, continue to look for a place. I am a nobody, just a sinner.
May God bless you Aydan!
I sometimes assist at the Liturgy in the Coptic Catholic Church here in LA, (St. Mary’s) It is thriving, they have one priest who was raised in Egypt, every time he goes home for a vacation or a religious meeting, the parish is fearful that he will stay in Egypt. They also have a priest from Loyola University who offers Mass in the Latin, Maronite and Coptic Rites. He was raised Coptic Catholic, and became a Jesuit (which is why he is multi ritual) the Liturgy starts at 10AM and a core of people spend most of the day (until around 5PM) in the social hall, then vespers and home. Unlike the Coptic Orthodox who tend to cluster in one area around parishes, Coptic Catholics tend to drive longer distances (some at St. Mary’s drive three and four hours to attend. Due to the distance, many attend once a month or so and the rest of the time attend the local Latin Churches. Deacon George assists at the Latin Church in his area Monday to Saturday, and serves in the Coptic Rite on Sundays and major Holy Days.Actually in Turkey most of the Catholic Churchs are Latin as well but they do have an Orthodox Coptic monastery there that my friend was telling me about and I found out about the Coptic Catholic Church by reading about it. I believe there may only be one Coptic Catholic church in the US because that one in LA seems to be a dead end I’m not even sure if it exists anymore because the web site is not working …
Brother Kyrillos:The exact number of Christians in Egypt is a political football. The government wants to minimize the number and the Church wants to maximize it. Best independent estimates put the Coptic Orthodox inside Egypt at +/- 10 million, with another 5 million living outside Egypt.
By way of comparison,the Ethiopian Orthodox number around 55 million, Russian Orthodox as many as 140 million (depending on who is counting).
There are over 1 Billion Catholics of all types worldwide.
Its sad that so few in the west really know this or how the original inhabitants were exterminated by those occupying the land now. Thank you for a great post!It should also be noted in the interest of historical accuracy, that the Turkish people (as opposed to people who happen to live in Turkey), migrated to Anatolia from Central Asia in the 11th Century and were already Moslem when they arrived. Most of the Saints from the area which is now Turkey were of other ethnic groups (Greek, Cappadocian, Assyrian, etc).
Hope this helps
Dear Sister in Christ Aydan:
There have been many responses to this thread, but I would like to take a few moments to clarify some things about Coptic Christianity.
First of all the term Copt, strictly used, refers to the indigenous inhabitants of Egypt, regardless of religion. It is commonly used to refer to Egyptian Christians.
Most (around 15 million worldwide) Egyptian Christians belong to the Coptic Orthodox Church. Somewhat fewer (300,000 or so) belong to the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate. Even fewer (less that 250,000 worldwide) belong to the Coptic Catholic Church. Of these only around 50,000 live outside of Egypt.
The official liturgical language of the Coptic Orthodox Church is Coptic. Coptic is the last form of the ancient Egyptian language which was spoken during Egypt’s Christian period. The language was suppressed in public life by the Moslem conquerors of Egypt, and is rarely spoken outside of Church anymore. Coptic uses an alphabet similar to the Greek, and is read from right to left, like Greek. It is not related to Arabic (or Turkish) at all.The Liturgy, and most Church publications also use Arabic extensively, and in countries of immigration the local language will be used as well.
There are no Coptic Churches (Catholic or Orthodox) operating in Turkey, nor are there any Coptic monasteries. The Syriac Orthodox Church Church has several very ancient Monasteries in Turkey. The Monks there wear headcoverings which look like black hoods with 12 white crosses on them, just like the Coptic Monks, so perhaps this is where the confusion arose. There are Coptic Monasteries outside of Egypt, in Europe, the US and I believe Australia as well as the Holy Land, but not Turkey. The Syriac monks use Syriac in their services, and Turkish as well because it is the local language. The Syriac Church was nearly exterminated in Turkey over the course of the 20th century, and today most Syriac Christians live elsewhere.
It should also be noted in the interest of historical accuracy, that the Turkish people (as opposed to people who happen to live in Turkey), migrated to Anatolia from Central Asia in the 11th Century and were already Moslem when they arrived. Most of the Saints from the area which is now Turkey were of other ethnic groups (Greek, Cappadocian, Assyrian, etc).
Hope this helps
Don’t the Turks speak Turkish and not Arabic? If you want to go to an Arabic language Church why not go to an Antiochian Orthodox Church for Saturday night Vespers and then your Latin Church for Sunday Mass?I’m really confused about something because I keep getting different answers on this. I really like the Coptic because they speak Arabic and it makes me feel more connected to Turkey and the East than the Latin Church does but as I’ve said there’s no Coptic Church in my area that Catholic there’s only a Coptic Orthodox church. So I’ve been trying to figure out some sort of compromise like one of the things I really like about the Coptic Church is the liturgy of the hours but rather then do the Orthodox liturgy of the hours I do that Catholic liturgy of the hours instead. Are we allowed to watch other liturgies because I’ve been watching the Coptic Church liturgy? I would like to keep watching it because I really enjoy watching it But of course I will continue to attend my Latin Church because I want to remain Catholic. Also can somebody tell me if there are any other Eastern Catholic churches that speak Arabic that I could look into it?
Don’t the Turks speak Turkish and not Arabic? If you want to go to an Arabic language Church why not go to an Antiochian Orthodox Church for Saturday night Vespers and then your Latin Church for Sunday Mass?
Melkite Catholics, Maronite Catholics, and Chaldeans all speak Arabic, and incorporate it into the Liturgy. The Melkites also include Aramaic into the Liturgy. I’ll have to think, I seem to be missing another Catholic Rite that uses Arabic.I’m really confused about something because I keep getting different answers on this. I really like the Coptic because they speak Arabic and it makes me feel more connected to Turkey and the East than the Latin Church does but as I’ve said there’s no Coptic Church in my area that Catholic there’s only a Coptic Orthodox church. So I’ve been trying to figure out some sort of compromise like one of the things I really like about the Coptic Church is the liturgy of the hours but rather then do the Orthodox liturgy of the hours I do that Catholic liturgy of the hours instead. Are we allowed to watch other liturgies because I’ve been watching the Coptic Church liturgy? I would like to keep watching it because I really enjoy watching it But of course I will continue to attend my Latin Church because I want to remain Catholic. Also can somebody tell me if there are any other Eastern Catholic churches that speak Arabic that I could look into it?
perfect I know we have a Maronite church here I’m not sure if we have any of the others that you mentioned but I will look into the Maronite I would be able to receive the Eucharist right?Melkite Catholics, Maronite Catholics, and Chaldeans all speak Arabic, and incorporate it into the Liturgy. The Melkites also include Aramaic into the Liturgy. I’ll have to think, I seem to be missing another Catholic Rite that uses Arabic.