How do I know if I'm born again?

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misslollipops said:
It is not one verse.Jn3:3, 3:5
Romans 5,6,7,8
Acts 2
Pauls conversion
Jesus offers living water( living water is the Holy Spirit)
I could go on and on.
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I dont see “born again” in any of these other verses. Do you have a different translation or are we having to depend on you own personal interpretation again?
 
Gamera said:
Romans 3:23 does not mean that literally every human being on earth has sinned. Romans Chapter 3 says that all, meaning all peoples, both Jew and gentile, have sinned.

The Bible says that NOT every person has committed a personal sin. Consider Zechariah and Elizabeth (John the baptists’ parents). “And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blamelessly,” Luke 1:6. Sure, they still needed a savior because of original sin, but they did not commit any personal sins.

Babies cannot commit personal sins. Severely mentally challenged people cannot commit personal sins. Yes, we all inherit original sin, and we all need Jesus as savior. But it is possible for a human being to live without committing a personal sin.
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Romans 3:9-20 All are under sin.ALL!
If you are thinking that people today can live without sin you are mistaken
 
estesbob said:
I dont see “born again” in any of these other verses. Do you have a different translation or are we having to depend on you own personal interpretation again?
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What bible are you using? nkjv jn3:3 ‘unless one is born again’
 
misslollipops said:
Romans 3:9-20 All are under sin.ALL!
If you are thinking that people today can live without sin you are mistaken
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That’s the kind of Biblical cherry picking & verse distortion that I find baffling.

By the insistence on “ALL” in Rom. 3:23, doesn’t that mean that the Bible says that Jesus sinned too?

John 3:5 does ]not say we all need to be born of the Spirit alone, but says we must be born “of water and the Spirit.”

Chris
 
ChrisWRIT said:
I notice that in the great commission, Jesus did not say: “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, getting them to accept me into their hearts as their personal Lord and Savior.”

The fellow who wrote John 3:3, also wrote 3:5, which says:

Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.

Jesus’ description of being born again doesn’t seem to rhyme with *“no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he starts speaking in tongues.” *

I’m sorry if I was unclear. No, that is not what I’m saying.

I agree entirely with Hebrews 6:4-6. I just don’t agree with your personal and fallible interpretation of it.

You seem to be assuming that falling and turning from faith in God means the Holy Spirit leaves you.

I’m puzzled; does the Bible say that somewhere?

Additionally, it sounds as if you believe that being “born again” makes one perfect and immune to all sin - is that correct?

Chris
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Rom8:1 There is no condemnation for those born of the spirit who sin. I still sin. Romans 8
 
ChrisWRIT said:
That’s the kind of Biblical cherry picking & verse distortion that I find baffling.

By the insistence on “ALL” in Rom. 3:23, doesn’t that mean that the Bible says that Jesus sinned too?

Jesus was sinless

Chris
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misslollipops said:
Rom8:1 There is no condemnation for those born of the spirit who sin. I still sin. Romans 8
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More scripture twisting, huh?

Romans 8:1 says:

1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.

If one is in a state of mortal sin, how can you claim with a straight face that they are still “in Christ Jesus”?

Chris
 
misslollipops said:
Romans 3:9-20 All are under sin.ALL!
If you are thinking that people today can live without sin you are mistaken
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Are you talking about original sin or personal sin? Again, Luke 1:6 specifically shows two people who never committed personal sins. Babies do not commit personal sin. And as you admit, Jesus did not commit any personal sin. So obviously not “all” have committed personal sins. You are misunderstanding Romans Chapter 3.
 
estesbob said:
you said:

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Now you are saying it is just one verse. Which is it?
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Being born again means being born of the spirit. Which means the Holy Spirit comes upon you. Jn3:3 states born again the other verses explain what born again with the Spirit actually means.
 
misslollipops said:
Rom8:1 There is no condemnation for those born of the spirit who sin. I still sin. Romans 8
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“There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.” Romans 8:1.

Nowhere does it say, " … who sin." On the contrary, when you commit a mortal sin, you are no longer in Christ Jesus.
 
misslollipops said:
Jesus is God incarnate.
Not a regular person.
I assumed you knew that
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Right. So “all” in Romans 3:23 doesn’t mean literally “all,” because then it would include Jesus. That is our point.

What about Zechariah and Elizabeth? They were not God incarnate, but they didn’t commit any personal sins (Luke 1:6). How do you explain that, if “all” in Romans 3:23 literally means every human being?
 
misslollipops said:
Jesus is God incarnate.
Not a regular person.
I assumed you knew that
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That is not an answer.

I know Jesus is God incarnate, and did not sin. That means that Jesus is fully God AND fully man.

That is why I asked, why the zealous insistence that the word “ALL” in Romans means every single person? As a man, Jesus would have to be included, which is why I do not believe that interpretation is correct.

Chris
 
ChrisWRIT said:
More scripture twisting, huh?

Romans 8:1 says:

1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.

If one is in a state of mortal sin, how can you claim with a straight face that they are still “in Christ Jesus”?

Chris
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You have to read all of Romans 8 to understand the war between the flesh and the spirit. better yet, get to a bible study on the matter. Rom7:14-25 paul explains the predicament that he is in with sin. Maybe if you start another thread I can explain it better
 
ChrisWRIT said:
That is not an answer.

I know Jesus is God incarnate, and did not sin. That means that Jesus is fully God AND fully man.

That is why I asked, why the zealous insistence that the word “ALL” in Romans means every single person? As a man, Jesus would have to be included, which is why I do not believe that interpretation is correct.

Chris
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I’ve been down this road before. It’s much easier to cite Zechariah and Elizabeth. They weren’t divine but the Bible expressly describes them “walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blamelessly,” (Luke 1:6) and I’ve never heard anyone argue their way around that.
 
misslollipops said:
You have to read all of Romans 8 to understand the war between the flesh and the spirit. better yet, get to a bible study on the matter. Rom7:14-25 paul explains the predicament that he is in with sin. Maybe if you start another thread I can explain it better
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Good grief.

Well, I have to hand it to you. You can dance!
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Gamera said:
I’ve been down this road before. It’s much easier to cite Zechariah and Elizabeth. They weren’t divine but the Bible expressly describes them “walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blamelessly,” (Luke 1:6) and I’ve never heard anyone argue their way around that.
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Good point. Thanks!

Chris
 
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