How do I know if I'm born again?

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I could have sworn he said"personal sin does NOT require repentance"
I read it wrong sorry.
Actually, you should apologize for your insistence that you were reading it right, not that you read it wrong. Reading it wrong is forgivable. Your persistence was just annoying.

maybe there’s a lesson in there, though.
 
Actually, you should apologize for your insistence that you were reading it right, not that you read it wrong. Reading it wrong is forgivable. Your persistence was just annoying.

maybe there’s a lesson in there, though.
What persistance?
As soon as you pointed it out I said sorry my mistake.
You can’t forgive that?
 
I don’t follow this line of reasoning. Every child is conceived with original sin. It doesn’t matter whether the parents are in a state of grace or not at the time of conception. Two spouses might both be in a state of grace — “saved” if you like — when they conceive a child, but that child still will be in a state of original sin.

Even if every person in the whole world got “saved” / entered a state of grace tomorrow, and remained that way for life, every new child conceived still would be in a state of original sin.
Exactly and they need to repent to be born again.
Each child needs to repent
 
What persistance?
As soon as you pointed it out I said sorry my mistake.
You can’t forgive that?
Well, it’s true that it was pointed out to you about four times before you caught it.

But I don’t see the big deal. She made a mistake and she has apologized.
 
Ok, I wasn’t quoting verbatim.
You can take ‘then’ out of my post.
But your position is Get Baptized then at some future date repent of your sins. It that accurate?
No. All who are able to repent are expected to do so.
Christianity is not a birthrite like Judaism.
No? What makes you say not?

Acts 2:38-39
39 For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him."

Why did Peter say it was for the children. Why not just wait till the children grow up, and then share the gospel with them?
You must make a choice to be a Christian.
Many choices, all day, every day. The sooner you start, the better! I am sorry that your parents did not raise you in the faith properly, but this is what they should have done. 👍
A parent cannot do that for you.
And you cannot make that choice as an infant
No, but parents make all the choices for their infants and children from the moment they are conceived until they are able to start deciding on their own. I forgot you said you don’t follow links, so you probably did not see the link I left you on sign language and babies. It is clear that babies can communicate and make decisions before they have expressive language.
 
Exactly and they need to repent to be born again.
Each child needs to repent
Okay, so then, what did you mean by this:
If that were the case, then 2000 years ago, the first person who repented would have covered every generation after him till today. His children would be born again without repenting then the children’s children would be born again without repenting and so on and so on.
Repentance is the key.
Each person must do it to be born again.
One person cannot do it for another.
I just don’t understand your argument. What does what happened to somebody in a prior generation have to do with the state of this generations’ souls? What do you mean, “the first person who repented would have covered every generation after him”? I don’t follow. Each person is conceived with original sin regardless of his parent’s status.
 
What persistance?
As soon as you pointed it out I said sorry my mistake.
You can’t forgive that?
that’s hardly true. however, your mistake was forgiveable, as I said. Your persistence is what’s annoying.

but we are digressing.
 
Christianity is not a birthrite like Judaism.
You must make a choice to be a Christian.
A parent cannot do that for you.
And you cannot make that choice as an infant
Can you provide some support for that assertion? Judaism prefigures Christianity. Just like someone can convert to Judaism, they can convert to Christianity. Adult men who converted to Judaism were circumcised. Adults who convert to Christianity are baptized.

Male children who are born to Jewish parents are circumcised. Children born to Christian parents are similarly baptized.

Just as circumcision was the rite of entrance to the family of God before Christ, baptism is the rite of entrance ever since the time of Christ. Circumcision prefigures baptism just as animal sacrifice prefigured Christ’s sacrifice.
 
that’s hardly true. however, your mistake was forgiveable, as I said. Your persistence is what’s annoying.

but we are digressing.
Boy, talk about persistence. Let’s remain charitable here.
 
I tend to lean on2tim3:16-17
This is understandible. You don’t recognize the Church to which Jesus left the Apostolic Authority, so you have to fall back on whatever you have. Better a readers’ digest version than none at all! 👍
 
Boy, talk about persistence. Let’s remain charitable here.
It may be difficult for you to see it, rpp, but I am being charitable.

misslollipops is in the habit of misrepresenting facts. she does so repeatedly. And by doing so she does much damage to the Truth.

Is it charitable to allow someone to continuously do damage to the Truth?

You are mistaking my motivation for calling her on her inconsistencies as personal instead of as defending what is True.

but I have received your point, and there is truth in it. thank you for calling it to my attention.
 
Okay, so then, what did you mean by this:

I just don’t understand your argument. What does what happened to somebody in a prior generation have to do with the state of this generations’ souls? What do you mean, “the first person who repented would have covered every generation after him”? I don’t follow. Each person is conceived with original sin regardless of his parent’s status.
you are a believer
you baptise your kids they become born again and never repent.
your kids grow up, they are believers
they baptize their kids who become born again and never repent
and so on.
Each person needs to repent before being born again
 
you are a believer
you baptise your kids they become born again and never repent.
your kids grow up, they are believers
they baptize their kids who become born again and never repent
and so on.
Each person needs to repent before being born again
what makes you think that after attaining the age of reason that the children don’t repent their sins?
 
Can you provide some support for that assertion? Judaism prefigures Christianity. Just like someone can convert to Judaism, they can convert to Christianity. Adult men who converted to Judaism were circumcised. Adults who convert to Christianity are baptized.

Male children who are born to Jewish parents are circumcised. Children born to Christian parents are similarly baptized.

Just as circumcision was the rite of entrance to the family of God before Christ, baptism is the rite of entrance ever since the time of Christ. Circumcision prefigures baptism just as animal sacrifice prefigured Christ’s sacrifice.
People who convert to judaism are called proselytes. They are not true Jews.
To Be a true Jew you have to be of the bloodline of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
If you are of this bloodline, you are a Jew from birth. The circumcision is only a sign of the covenant wih God
 
what makes you think that after attaining the age of reason that the children don’t repent their sins?
According to this theology they don’t have to because they are already saved.
 
According to this theology they don’t have to because they are already saved.
THat is not true at all. You are once again putting words into someone’s mouth that is not there.

According to proper theology–Christian Theology–baptism washes away the stain of original sin and any committed sins. This is paving the way for salvation–which is a life-long process, as you admitted when you said that you do not believe in once saved always saved.
 
THat is not true at all. You are once again putting words into someone’s mouth that is not there.

According to proper theology–Christian Theology–baptism washes away the stain of original sin and any committed sins. This is paving the way for salvation–which is a life-long process, as you admitted when you said that you do not believe in once saved always saved.
and nowhere and at no time has the Church taught that it is Baptism which saves you. It is Christ’s Sacrifice on Calvary which saves you. Baptism is one of the Rites of Initiation.
 
THat is not true at all. You are once again putting words into someone’s mouth that is not there.

According to proper theology–Christian Theology–baptism washes away the stain of original sin and any committed sins. This is paving the way for salvation–which is a life-long process, as you admitted when you said that you do not believe in once saved always saved.
when does repentance come in
 
and nowhere and at no time has the Church taught that it is Baptism which saves you. It is Christ’s Sacrifice on Calvary which saves you. Baptism is one of the Rites of Initiation.
If baptism doesn’t save babies why do it?
 
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