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Peebo
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Read this and forget that nonsense about the Catholic church
How do I prove the whore of babylon from Revelations isn't the Catholic church
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Read this and forget that nonsense about the Catholic church
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Ask21771
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please, I’m just scared
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guanophore
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Can you substantiate any of this? What proof do you have that the Vatican has any of these items?
Can you produce any documentation that the VAtican has these items?
have you seen any ads lately for slave auctions?
every sort of citron wood?
cargoes of spice, incense, myrrh and frankincense?
cargoes of wine, olive oil, fine flour and wheat
I’m interested to see what evidence you can provide. Have you completed an inventory of the kitchens?
For some people it just comes naturally. You have yet to explain what you stated in the original post.
Why?
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guanophore
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2 Timothy 1:7 “…for God did not give us a spirit of timidity but a spirit of power and love and self-control.”
I am not sure what Spirit you are carrying, but the Spirit of God does not engender fear.
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Ask21771
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I know for fact that the catholic church burns incense myrrh and frankincense during it’s services, and wine, olive oil, wheat and flour can be found anywhere including the vatican
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guanophore
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on_the_hill
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How old are you?
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joeybaggz
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The Roman Catholic Church, the church founded by Jesus Christ, the church he promised to strengthen and guide, to whom he would send to Holy Spirit to keep it from error, and whom he promised the gates of hell would not prevail against it, His Bride and He the Bridegroom, is THE WHORE OF BABYLON? Really, how can anyone even entertain such a thought? It gives the word ludicrous new meaning
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Ask21771
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look it up on wikipedia I’d post a link but the site won’t let me
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guanophore
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Ok, let me get this straight. You joined this site an hour ago because you claim you are…
“deeply afraid that the Catholic Church is or will become the whore of babylon from Revelations”
But when asked why you came to be so "deeply afraid, all you can do is answer…
“deeply afraid that the Catholic Church is or will become the whore of babylon from Revelations”
But when asked why you came to be so "deeply afraid, all you can do is answer…
This is a common teaching in fundamentalist anti-catholic bible based communities. Perhaps our OP is a member of one.
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Ask21771
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i’m not a part of any religious organization, i’m just looking for answers if you have evidence that the catholic church isn’t now and never will become the whore of babylon please share it with me
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Peebo
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Jesus Christ said to Peter…“you are Peter and upon this rock I will build my church…and the gates of hell will not prevail against it…and I will give to you the keys to the kingdom of heaven”…so are you calling Jesus a liar…revelation was written in symbols to the early Christians who understood what it meant…not for today…here…read it on Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Whore of Babylon - Wikipedia
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joeybaggz
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What part of “Jesus did not create, cherish, and guide the Whore of Babylon” do you not understand. Personally, I think you have to prove the RCC is the WOB.
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joeybaggz
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One can never prove a negative.
By the way, do you believe in the Trinity. That isn’t in the bible either. As is the word Rapture.
By the way, do you believe in the Trinity. That isn’t in the bible either. As is the word Rapture.
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joeybaggz
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The Minnesota Vikings of the National Football League wear purple and scarlet. There, we’ve identified the Whore of Babylon for you. Satisfied?
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guanophore
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Anyone who is getting their information off Wikipedia is not really worth my time to do your research for you. If you want to know you have already been given links that will be helpful.
I question your sincerity, because “just looking for answers” is not consistent with
If you are not a member of a fundamentalist group, then why would it matter to you if the Catholic Church were, in fact the Whore of Babylon?
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Entwhistler
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On the contrary, the Church does not claim to be the Whore of Babylon. Thus, it is on the person claiming the Church is the Whore of Babylon to produce evidence to substantiate it. So far, the evidence you’ve given or the evidence you have been given by others is unconvincing.
I don’t think we have anything to worry about.
I don’t think we have anything to worry about.
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Peebo
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I think the OP is just trolling on here …he/she claims not to belong to any religious organization…yet makes a big thing about …the Catholic Church being the Whore of Babylon…and keeps claiming no one can give any evidence otherwise…we’re being scammed…I’m outa here
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angel12
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You’ve been asked several times about the slaves. Where is your evidence that the Vatican has slaves?
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ZMystiCat
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First, recognize that Revelation was written as apocalyptic literature to first century Christians being persecuted under the Roman Empire. By nature of apocalyptic literature and by nature of having to hide some of the meaning from Rome, the book is filled with symbolism. Furthermore, it is being written first for first century Christians, so the symbolism should be interpreted in light of how they would understand it.
Now, looking at the list of items, what do they all have in common? They are all associated with wealth and power, from the gold and silver to the owning of other humans. Who had the wealth and power at the time that this book was written? It was the Roman Empire who had the gold, silver, slaves, and everything else in the list. It wasn’t the Church that had the wealth and power at the time.
Furthermore, consider that the whore is “drunk on the blood of the saints” (Revelation 17:6). That’s a clear sign of persecution of the Church and her saints. Again, who was persecuting the Church at the time? It was the Roman Empire. It doesn’t even make sense that the Church would be “drunk on the blood of the saints”! It would just be drinking its own blood at that point, not that of a third party as the whore is.
Basically, the whore is a reference to the Roman Empire. Sure, today the Roman Empire is a thing of history, and we tend to associate Rome more with the Church now. However, at the time the text was written, that was not the case.
I don’t know. It’s a pretty exciting book and easily the Bible’s most fantastical. The problem is that many have twisted and morphed it into some mysterious codex that it is their job to decode with their 21st-century goggles stained with five centuries of anti-Catholic propaganda.
A casual reader might just see it for the fantastical, epic, and optimistic tale that it is. A learned reader may be able to better understand the symbolisms and extract greater meaning from it. It’s everyone in between that should probably put the book down for a while so that they can either calm down or go do the proper research.
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