How Do I Respond to a Muslim on Mark 10:17-18 & Luke 18:18-19?

[erock]

I don’t have a problem with these verses. I have a problem with the interpretation. When Jesus speaks to us this way he is speaking under the Anointing of Christ, yes God himself. He is not referring to himself.

An example would be in the scripture ’ if I am lifted up, above the earth, I will draw all men unto me’. Jesus here speaks to us under the anointing of Christ (God himself), and teaches us to look to God in order to solve our problems.

I’m glad you are convinced that Jesus is god; because he believed it as well, and so do I. Respectfully, what I believe a part of our Christian community is missing about the message our saviour brought, is that Jesus was trying to prepare our minds about our true nature; that we are God’s children (not big G’s, but little g’s) and have access to all of Gods power. The same way that he does.

Book of John 10:34

Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are gods’?

New Living Translation (©2007)

 

[Augustine3]

Mark 10:17-18 reads

Luke 18:18-19 reads

A Muslim I was dialoguing with presented this as a proof that Jesus did not, in fact, believe He was God. How might a Catholic respond to this?

Jesus does not deny himself to be good, remember he calls himself the “good Shepard”.

Jesus intended by these words to raise the mind of the young man, so that he might know Him to be God. But He also implies another thing by these words, that when you have to converse with a man, you should not flatter him in your conversation, but look back upon God, the root and fount of goodness, and do honour to Him.

God bless,

 

[Augustine3]

A Muslim I was dialoguing with presented this as a proof that Jesus did not, in fact, believe He was God. How might a Catholic respond to this?

If your Muslim friend wants to play that game of cherry picking verses while ignoring the context and unity of the scripture then we can also do the same with their Quran. Let’s start with these Surahs that proves that neither the Torah nor the Gospel has been corrupted as they say have been:

He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel. – Surah 3:3

And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous. – Surah 5:46

So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. – Surah 10:94

 

[erock]

Nice!

 

[erock]

Thank you Augustine3…THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL!

 

[erock]

Thank you Augustine3…THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL!

 

[Augustine3]

You’re very welcome,

God bless you.

 

[erock]

God Bless

 

[The_GreyPilgrim]

I wouldn’t give a biblical response. Instead we should ask why should I believe the sayings of the Hadith since Uthman redacted it and AbuBakr and Umar who put forth much if its contents obviously usurped Ali’s position in the Ummah?

And if these men were true Caliphs why did they all die violently?

 

[jcrichton]

I don’t have a problem with these verses. I have a problem with the interpretation. When Jesus speaks to us this way he is speaking under the Anointing of Christ, yes God himself. He is not referring to himself.

I concur with you… interpretation is where meaning and essence is lost… however, we can also be clouded by personal ideology… though there is a duality in Christ (both True God and True Man), we must distinguish between Christ, the Word Incarnate, and Christ, the Son of Man: as the Son of Man Christ did not come to demonstrate His Divinity; rather, He Came so that we may Live!

The passages that I used to demonstrate His Divinity were distictly manifesting that Christ is God not that He spoke for the Father (God).

An example would be in the scripture ’ if I am lifted up, above the earth, I will draw all men unto me’. Jesus here speaks to us under the anointing of Christ (God himself), and teaches us to look to God in order to solve our problems.

…actually the reference (bronze snake) is that Salvation is absolutely dependent upon our relationship with the Crucified Christ.

I’m glad you are convinced that Jesus is god; because he believed it as well, and so do I. Respectfully, what I believe a part of our Christian community is missing about the message our saviour brought, is that Jesus was trying to prepare our minds about our true nature; that we are God’s children (not big G’s, but little g’s) and have access to all of Gods power. The same way that he does.

Book of John 10:34

Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are gods’?

New Living Translation (©2007)

…again I concur with you… both the Father and the Son have stated that God’s Children are of God’s essence, hence: “you are gods.”

…God is the Supreme Creator so it is not surprising that man, made in His Image and Likeness, tends to seek knowledge and to bring forth temporal creations–our potential is unmeasurable… does that automatically translate to power (divine or temporal)? No.

God is not concerned with granting us His abilities to be gods… rather, He has Granted us the ability to be with God (exist with Him in His Presence–Jn 1:1); and Jesus demonstrated that He, the Divine, came not to be Served but to serve and He Commanded that His Disciples (all Believers) Commit themselves to that relationship: Serve God through serving man:

25 But Jesus called them to him and said, ‘You know that among the gentiles the rulers lord it over them, and great men make their authority felt. 26 Among you this is not to happen. No; anyone who wants to become great among you must be your servant, 27 and anyone who wants to be first among you must be your slave, 28 just as the Son of man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.’ (St. Matthew 20:25-28)

Maran atha!

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