How do Mormons view Our Lady?

[SpeSalvi]

Texan, their prophets don’t lie. They’re just horribly misled into thinking that they’re the mouthpiece of God, when in fact everything they stated was just an opinion.

Just a simple misunderstanding. I think they would have avoided a lot of confusion if the early prophets of the LDS Church understood that they weren’t supposed to actually prophesy.

Whew, I’m glad that the Catholic Church has clearly defined rules for all of this stuff!

 

[TexanKnight]

Texan, their prophets don’t lie. They’re just horribly misled into thinking that they’re the mouthpiece of God, when in fact everything they stated was just an opinion.

Just a simple misunderstanding. I think they would have avoided a lot of confusion if the early prophets of the LDS Church understood that they weren’t supposed to actually prophesy.

Whew, I’m glad that the Catholic Church has clearly defined rules for all of this stuff!

We can agree to disagree. When an LDS “prophet” can claim with a straight face that something has never been taught when it most clearly has, it is a lie

 

[invisible_man]

Hey! I take that “…living in a trance…” thing as a red herring, don’t do that.

The way you just described your prophets applies to just about everyone, which is fine I
guess, but what applies to your modern prophets that does NOT apply to everyone else?

I think that it does too. Not much applies to modern prophets that doesn’t apply to others, except that they have a calling or a vocation to be one. I am sure that if we looked at the historical Paul in the New Testament, we would see a man first and an apostle second. We are all just people.

 

[invisible_man]

We can agree to disagree. When an LDS “prophet” can claim with a straight face that something has never been taught when it most clearly has, it is a lie

I listened to the video. I didn’t see any lie. Maybe a misstatement to a quick question. I don’t think that the guy had time to think about the question and his answer. However, this has nothing to do with how Mormons view the Virgin Mary, which I believe that they do so with respect.

 

[invisible_man]

Haha it’s cool.

But yes, my point is that how do LDS know when the prophet (all 15 of them) is speaking as a prophet, and when he’s just offering his opinion? Perhaps invisible man knows…

I have no idea. However, it seems to me that Mormon leaders direct their members well. They dress modestly, practice chasity, don’t drink alcohol, told to obstain from pornography, pay ithes to their church, and love their neighbor and their enemies. Not much different than Catholics. I suppose that the difference is in the worship.

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

I think that it does too. Not much applies to modern prophets that doesn’t apply to others, except that they have a calling or a vocation to be one. I am sure that if we looked at the historical Paul in the New Testament, we would see a man first and an apostle second. We are all just people.

Saint Paul, like the Twelve Apostles, was able to miraculously speak in tongues *
I believe *(SOMEONE PLEASE CHECK ME ON THAT!). In Acts 13:6-11, Paul blinds
Elymas who was a false prophet. In Acts 14:8-10, Paul heals a lame man in Lystra.
In Acts 19:11-12, Paul performed many miracles including healings and casting out
demons. In Acts 20:9-12, Paul raised Eutychus from the dead. In Acts 28:8-9, Paul
healed diseases. You see an ordinary man, do you? :ehh:

You belittle Saint Paul, and have just af-
firmed that your prophets are no different
from any other person.

You have nothing to prove about your latter-day prophets accept may-
be that warm fuzzy feeling in your heart about the “Book of Mormon”.

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

I have no idea. However, it seems to me that Mormon leaders direct their members well. They dress modestly, practice chasity, don’t drink alcohol, told to obstain from pornography, pay tithes to their church, and love their neighbor and their enemies. Not much different than Catholics. I suppose that the difference is in the worship.

Okay, modesty, chastity, proves the Church is true, yeah-huh.

Let’s look at a few facts about one of the most Mormony states in America, Utah:

• A 2009 study published in the Journal of Economic Perspectives found that Utah was the largest consumer of paid internet pornography per capita in the United States.
• A widely circulated national prescription drug study from 2002 observed that antidepressant drugs were “prescribed in Utah more often than in any other state, at a rate nearly twice the national average,” however, more recent studies by the CDC have shown rates of depression in Utah to be no higher than the national average.
• New government data shows Utah has the eighth-highest adult suicide rate in the country. The 220 suicides in Utah in 2010 marked a 28-percent increase from a decade earlier — mirroring the startling national rise in suicides by middle-age Americans.
• Utah has the 17th highest youth suicide (ages 10-17) and the 11th highest young adult (ages 18-24) suicide rate in the U.S. Suicide is the 2nd leading cause of death for Utah youth (ages 10-17) and young adults (ages 18-24). On average.
• The state has seen a significant increase in alcoholic sales recently - from 2006 to 2012, alcohol sales in the state increased by 30%, far outpacing the growth of the population. From 2001 to 2009, the population of Utah increased by 22% but alcohol consumption increased by 54%.

Does the LDS Church talk about great values? Absolutely! No Porn, Smoking is bad,
Love each other, great ideas! But does Mormonism inspire followers to that? No!

(Let it be clearly noted that
the list I gave does not ap-
ply to “** every **” Mormons).
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[Judas_Thaddeus]

Okay, modesty, chastity, proves the Church is true, yeah-huh. …

Let’s get back on track now about how Mormons view Our Lady.
Maybe many LDS followers who are not very well learned about
what their Church teaches would highly respect Mary, not going
to point out individuals specifically, but if one looks back earlier
in the thread, we find that Mormonism teaches that the Mormon
God had relations with his spirit daughter Mary, even though she
was already betrothed to Joseph, and it is taught that Mary might
have even become one of the many WIVES of the Mormon God.

Keeping in mind that the Mormon Father God has a body of flesh
and bone like Joseph Smith and many others said and still say,
and that Jesus “our eldest spirit brother” needed a body, AND is
said to be the LITERAL Son of God, according to the flesh.

 

[Marie5890]

I have no idea. However, it seems to me that Mormon leaders direct their members well. They dress modestly, practice chasity, don’t drink alcohol, told to obstain from pornography, pay ithes to their church, and love their neighbor and their enemies. Not much different than Catholics. I suppose that the difference is in the worship.

Difference is in the doctrines, the dogmas, too…

 

[LivingWaters7]

I have no idea.

That’s what I thought, thank you for confirming.

Earlier in this thread, you stated “I think that there is a misunderstanding that everything Brigham Young stated was taught. I think that it wasn’t.”. I then asked you “how do you know”, which you did not answer. Now, you don’t know how to know when a prophet is speaking as a prophet (which you admitted after giving a red herring answer). Very interesting. It seems as if you would like to discard what one of the prophets, seers, and revelators says when it doesn’t fit the viewpoint you’d like to present, but you cannot provide a basis for understanding objectively when we can know that the prophet was speaking authoritatively and in his prophetic office.

However, it seems to me that Mormon leaders direct their members well. They dress modestly, practice chasity, don’t drink alcohol, told to obstain from pornography, pay ithes to their church, and love their neighbor and their enemies. Not much different than Catholics. I suppose that the difference is in the worship.

No, there are various fundamental, important differences between Mormonism and Catholicism, including, but not limited to:

-the nature of God
-the nature of man
-the Fall of man
-the nature of the sacraments/ordinances, especially the Eucharist/Sacrament
-whether the Church of Jesus Christ can fail

Further, dressing modestly, not drinking alcohol, etc will not save you (though there is certainly nothing wrong with doing those things). Indeed, the LDS Church itself states that one must receive the ordinances of baptism, confirmation, priesthood ordination (for men), endowment, and sealing, offered only by the LDS Church, to receive eternal life, whether in this life or the next. We’re not talking about LDS leaders telling their members to dress modestly. We’re talking about the eternal relevance of a faith.

 

[LivingWaters7]

I think that it does too. Not much applies to modern prophets that doesn’t apply to others, except that they have a calling or a vocation to be one. I am sure that if we looked at the historical Paul in the New Testament, we would see a man first and an apostle second. We are all just people.

Yes we are all people. However, if one reads the Bible, or even the Book of Mormon, we see that prophets called by God function in a manner that is unique to their prophetic calling. We can even see this if we take the Joseph Smith story as truth, in its current form, and believe that he did see the Father and the Son, that he had various visionary experiences, that he did many miraculous things, etc.

The issue that I was addressing (and which you have ignored and have been unable to address) is not that the prophets should be in a trance (again, cite where exactly I said or implied such a thing that caused you to say that), but that Biblical prophets functioned as prophets, in a manner different from non-prophets. Further, you seemed to state or imply that prophets should be entitled to their opinions, which they are. However we aren’t talking about opinions on what to wear to go out to dinner, or what the best baseball team is. We’re talking about doctrinal matters. So, if you would like to discount something Joseph Smith or Brigham Young, or whomever said as opinion, then how do you know when a prophet is speaking as a prophet? You said you don’t know. Therefore, it seems as if you arbitrarily make the distinction. Further, it is clear that the LDS leaders today no longer function as prophets, whether Biblical/Book of Mormon, or like Joseph Smith. Indeed, they are no different than the non-prophet leaders of other churches. Thank you.

 

[pablope]

I listened to the video. I didn’t see any lie. Maybe a misstatement to a quick question. I don’t think that the guy had time to think about the question and his answer. However, this has nothing to do with how Mormons view the Virgin Mary, which I believe that they do so with respect.

Wait a minute…so he was not being guided by the HS when answering questions? So that is why he misspoke?

 

[invisible_man]

Wait a minute…so he was not being guided by the HS when answering questions? So that is why he misspoke?

I think that he was guided by old age. It happens. | would give him a break and not see a lie everywhere. Most likely he was a nice old guy.

 

[TexanKnight]

I listened to the video. I didn’t see any lie. Maybe a misstatement to a quick question. I don’t think that the guy had time to think about the question and his answer. However, this has nothing to do with how Mormons view the Virgin Mary, which I believe that they do so with respect.

lol…so, the lds god can’t guide old people?

 

[Strevel]

How, exactly, do LDS view the Blessed Virgin Mary? I’m reading a book by a Mormon woman who threw out statues of Mary that were left by previous owners of the house her family purchased. It almost seems like they were offensive to her, though she never states this directly. I understand that the statues may be seen as Catholic and that in and of itself may be offensive. But just how *do *the LDS view Our Lady? What’s her role, if any, in their faith?

I was a Mormon. They calll us openly the “GREAT WHORE OF THE EARTH” and openly try to convert us from our Catholic faith.
They speak of her in offensive language and tone, they think we are sick and demented.

Don

 

[PaulDupre1]

I listened to the video. I didn’t see any lie. Maybe a misstatement to a quick question. I don’t think that the guy had time to think about the question and his answer.

An honest man, especially one who is well-informed on the subject, doesn’t need to think about his answer. He just answers the question that was asked.

 

[truthsilence]

Let’s get back on track now about how Mormons view Our Lady.
Maybe many LDS followers who are not very well learned about
what their Church teaches would highly respect Mary, not going
to point out individuals specifically, but if one looks back earlier
in the thread, we find that Mormonism teaches that the Mormon
God had relations with his spirit daughter Mary, even though she
was already betrothed to Joseph, and it is taught that Mary might
have even become one of the many WIVES of the Mormon God.

Keeping in mind that the Mormon Father God has a body of flesh
and bone like Joseph Smith and many others said and still say,
and that Jesus “our eldest spirit brother” needed a body, AND is
said to be the LITERAL Son of God, according to the flesh.

I was taught, in “Gospel Doctrine” class, that: Mary and Heavenly Father had sexual intercourse to conceive Jesus.

But no worries. He married her first; because He couldn’t break His own laws.

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

I think that he was guided by old age. It happens. | would give him a break and not see a lie everywhere. Most likely he was a nice old guy.

That doesn’t matter!
Old, Young, What comes from the Prophet’s mouth should be the word of God.
Unless God is not almighty, that he can make mistakes too, and choose the
wrong man to represent him.

And OF COURSE you “would give him a break and not see a lie everywhere.”

Any bells ringing yet?

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

I was taught, in “Gospel Doctrine” class, that: Mary and Heavenly Father had sexual intercourse to conceive Jesus.

But no worries. He married her first; because He couldn’t break His own laws.

That’s the awkward part, because Mary was already betrothed to Joseph. Mormons also try to say that it was a temporary marriage, and that God let Mary marry Joseph, but Orson Pratt wasn’t even sure if God would take Mary to be his wife later, or join Joseph and Mary “for time in all eternity”, or whatever!

Whatever the case in the marital status situations, it conflicts with Mark 10:9.

See Apostle Orson Pratt, “The Seer,” Oct. 1853, p. 158). for more information.

 

[invisible_man]

I have not seen any disparaging remarks about the Virgin Mary on LDS sites. I think that they do respect her as the mother of Christ. However, past LDS leaders have speculated just how Jesus was conceived. It is a mystery for sure. I see nothing wrong with speculating.