How do Muslims rationalize the actions of Muhammad?

[R_not]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

provoking Muslims all the time using dirty language & Christians claim they spread the love Jesus (p) taught them …lol.

We don’t twist evil into good. There is no aura of goodness on mohammed - no matter how much you want to twist it.

No one is provoking muslims. muslims provoke themselves. You want to worship this - then so be it. Don’t tell us how good and make up qualities about this man when they are just not true. It gets tiring this twisting of the facts, or redefining words.

 

[Agabriel]

Dear Agabriel, hudna simply means truce or ceasefire.
here’s a link that shows how the word was used in classical arabic and modern time.

While I don’t mean to patronize you here, what you wrote above is a lie either through your ignorance or biased against islam.
I challenge you to back up the above quote with 1 credible example.

The prophet did not lust after another man’s wife, Zainab bint Jahsh wasn’t happy in her marriage to the prophet’s addopted son Zaid ibn Haritha so they divorced. However, pre-islamic culture considered it a taboo to marry the ex-wife of an adopted son. The prophet desired to marry Zainab after her divorce but was sensitive to pre-islamic culture which considered marriage to an adopted son’s ex-wife as incest.

If you believe Taqiyya is practiced by all muslims then you are wrong, It is a shia only belief. Sunnis don’t believe or practice it.

There were spiritual barriers between the Holy Prophet and the disbelievers, because, inspite of what is stated in the preceding verse, they cut themselves off from the true nature and therefore were isolated from the messenger of Allah. The hidden veil, put by Allah between the Holy Prophet and them, sometimes made them unable to see him even when he was standing before them, while they were seeing other things.

This happened in the case of Abu Lahab’s wife, when she heard Surah 111 revealed about her she was infuriated and headed towards the Ka’bah where the prophet and abu bakr were sitting.
She said to abu bakr “I hear that Muhammad is satirizing me. If I find him I will smash him. We reject the reprobate. His words we repudiate; His religion, we loathe and hate.”

meanwhile the prophet was sitting beside him yet she didn’t see him due to the Veil Allah placed between her and the prophet.

what you need is a lesson in objectivity and manners. About saudi arabia and the Jihadi’s You are barking up the wrong tree, I don’t support, believe or condone what they are doing.

I know what hudna means and I know that in islam it is very temporary so as to rearm/regroup and to fool the enemy into thinking the violence has ended.

It is to last no longer than 10 years and the muslims are to break it as soon as they can.

Muhammad the terrorist

In the last ten years of his life, after Muhammad migrated to Medina , he launched no less than 78 raids called qazwa (raid, ambush, sudden attack). Some of these qazwas involved the assassination of one opponent by one or a group of volunteers, and others were carried out by hundreds or thousands of warriors. Nonetheless a common characteristic of all Muhammad’s incursions was that they were done without notice. The enemy was caught off guard without being given the chance to prepare himself or be armed. As such all Muhammad’s victims were civilians.

The historian Abul Husain Muslim Nisapuri writes:

Ibn ‘Aun reported: I wrote to Nafi’ inquiring from him whether it was necessary to extend (to the disbelievers) an invitation to accept (Islam) before meeting them in fight. He wrote (in reply) to me that it was necessary in the early days of Islam. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) made a raid upon Banu Mustaliq while they were unaware and their cattle were having a drink at the water. He killed those who fought and imprisoned others. On that very day, he captured Juwairiya bint al-Harith. Nafi’ said that this tradition was related to him by Abdullah b. Umar who (himself) was among the raiding troops.” Muslim 19: 4292

Muhammad used the same element of surprise in virtually all his raids. Bukhari writes:

Allah’s Apostle (p.b.u.h) offered the Fajr prayer when it was still dark, then he rode and said, 'Allah Akbar! Khaibar is ruined. When we approach near to a nation, the most unfortunate is the morning of those who have been warned." The people came out into the streets saying, “Muhammad and his army.” Allah’s Apostle vanquished them by force and their warriors were killed; the children and women were taken as captives. Safiya was taken by Dihya Al-Kalbi and later she belonged to Allah’s Apostle go who married her and her Mahr was her manumission. Bukhari 2.14.068

Here we read that Muhammad said: “the most unfortunate is the morning of those who have been warned.” This should not be interpreted as announcing his plans for war. Actually not even his men knew which town they are going to attack until they reached at the gates of that town. He sent spies to the cities that he wanted to attack and ambushed them when they were least prepared. This “warning” should be interpreted with the understanding of the Muslim mind. As far as Muslims are concerned we are all warned. They have called us to convert or prepare to die. This is the warning. There will be no other warning. Now that they have issued the warning, we are all fair game. All the non-Muslims are legitimate targets of Islamic terrorism. Muslim warriors today, do what their prophet did and follow his examples. The pattern and the modus operandi, is already set. All Muslims’ wars and conquests have been through raid. This has been always the case and the secret of their success. In one hadith Muhammad boasted, “I have been made victorious through terror”. Bukhari 4:52.220

It is an indication to me that you don’t know Muhammad very well if you don’t even know about any of his continual battles and raids against the people. faithfreedom.org is a very good site to learn about islam.

I have to go to a 2nd post…

 

[Agabriel]

cont’d

Your assertion that his stepson’s wife was not happy in her marriage is the first time I have ever heard that as an excuse for Muhammad lusting after her. Show me the Hadith. And make it one of the accepted translations - not something you make up.

I am not going to Wikipedia that anyone can update. Any muslim can go in there and rewrite history. They are so good at twisting history - even twisting current events.

Your too late for the excuse that the shia are the ones who practice that. It is in your Quran to intentionally mislead us. And yes, the Shia had to practice it in Sunni majority lands. They still don’t get along very well.

I am minding my manners. I don’t know how else to say how terrible Muhammad was. You can twist it any way you want to spin it, and you do, but it still remains that Muhammad did atrocious things. Calling me a liar and other names actually makes you the one who needs to behave.

And since I have more space - I can’t say it any better than another poster about taqiyya/kithman. It seems you are deceiving us about that too! I posted the website above.

Taqiyya and Kitman, by sedonaman

“It has been quite an effort to prevent Infidels from getting the wrong (that is to say, the right) impression of Islam, at least until such time as Muslims in the West currently singing the praises of ‘pluralism’ no longer have need for Infidel good will and tolerance. To date, the twin techniques of ‘taqiyya’ and tu-quoque have been relied on. ‘taqiyya’ is the religiously-sanctioned doctrine, with its origins in Shi’a Islam but now practiced by non-Shi’a as well, of deliberate dissimulation about religious matters that may be undertaken to protect Islam, and the Believers. A related term, of broader application, is ‘kitman,’ which is defined as ‘mental reservation.’ An example of ‘taqiyya’ would be the insistence of a Muslim apologist that ‘of course’ there is freedom of conscience in Islam, and then quoting that Qur’anic verse – ‘There shall be no compulsion in religion.’ But the impression given will be false, for there has been no mention of the Muslim doctrine of abrogation, or naskh, whereby such an early verse as that about ‘no compulsion in religion’ has been cancelled out by later, far more intolerant and malevolent verses. In any case, history shows that within Islam there is, and always has been, ‘compulsion in religion’ for Muslims, and for non-Muslims. The ‘compulsion’ for Muslims comes from the treatment of apostasy as an act punishable by death. And though ‘dhimmis’ are allowed to practice their religion, they do so under conditions of such burdens and restrictions that many, not as an act of conscience but rather as a response to inexorable Muslim pressure, have converted (or ‘reverted’) to Islam.

“‘Kitman’ is close to ‘taqiyya,’ but rather than outright dissimulation, it consists in telling only a part of the truth, with ‘mental reservation’ justifying the omission of the rest. One example may suffice. When a Muslim maintains that ‘jihad’ really means ‘a spiritual struggle,’ and fails to add that this definition is a recent one in Islam (little more than a century old), he misleads by holding back, and is practicing ‘kitman.’ When he adduces, in support of this doubtful proposition, the hadith in which Muhammad, returning home from one of his many battles, is reported to have said (as known from a chain of transmitters, or isnad), that he had returned from ‘the Lesser Jihad to the Greater Jihad’ and does not add what he also knows to be true, that this is a ‘weak’ hadith, regarded by the most-respected muhaddithin as of doubtful authenticity, he is further practicing ‘kitman’.”

 

[Reuben_J]

That’s fine with me . I don’t respect Hindu’s religious figures , I don’t even think Lord Rama , Lord Krishna they are real . But I won’t use nasty words against them when I talk to Hindus.

Good for you then. I have not uttered any nasty words to Hindus either so that makes us on more or less equal term.

I don’t think it’s that hard to show a minimum respect who is respected by billion people . What some Christians are doing in the forum is not giving Christianity or Catholic Church any credit .

There are two things here. I respect Muslims and have no problem in respecting them. I have shown that in my deeds in real life.

As for Mohammad, actually he was not important to me at all, so there is little chance where our paths crossed. Now when his garbage about Jesus and Christians’ belief which ridicule and contradicting Christians’ faith are presented here, we have to clarify and defend them.

In order to defend the lies against us, it is necessary to scrutinize their source. Thus it is necessary to scrutinize Mohammad’s life and teaching. In all honesty they do not meet our values, in fact on the contrary. So vile is Mohammad’s conduct and so devilish is his teaching that simply by stating the fact about these, they seem to sound as disrespect to you. So this is what actually happening here.

You may not realize it but many times you actually showed disrespect to us when you put words into our mouths regarding our belief. Courtesy dictates it that at least you should be honest enough to acknowledge our **REAL BELIEF **even if you do not agree with us. So I think you actually disrespect us. And can I ask you, why it is so hard to acknowledge our true belief?

You see, respect works both ways. They say it is to be earned not forced. If you come as a nice, respectful and humble Muslim, you would surely make many friends here even though our religions may be different.

But it’s all up to you . I beleive , we all will be accountable to God on the final Day , so I leave all these matters on Him to judge.

I used to be very annoyed with this kind of statement before but now I know that Muslims speak this way because this is Quranic. So I try to rationalize this and now it has stopped being an offence. If I can change my perspective over time, I am wondering why you can’t.

In any case, my belief in Christ is uncompromised and I look forwards to Judgment Day knowing I am safe as long as I keep my faith in Jesus and only in Him, and not in some jerks that made themselves so-called prophets. I know, this sentence is unnecessary but my confidence in my belief is unshakeable, it’s hard to choose my words.

May God bless you.

 

[sedonaman]

Muhammad the terrorist

I love the part that states, “This is typical Islamic mindset, that always blames their victims.”

 

[planten]

Dirty allegations against Mary? I can tell you, no Catholic would ever think ill of Mary.

DiL, you are uninformed. Try to learn something. The Jews of that time abused Jesus and his mother. Not the Catholics but the Jews of that time. Please note that. There were no Catholics then. At least none of you is Catholics by your bad behaviour.

You are all singing dirty hymns in chorus against the best of all mankind i.e. Muhammad. Remember that your Jesus was no match for Muhammad. Jesus who was arrested, abused and rejected and pulled on the cross and had to disappear suddenly within three years of his effort. Jesus was not even fit for Moses. Jesus was subordinate to Moses, under the command of Moses a.s.

Like all other israeli prophets, Jesus was the one on the tail end. May be was better than those other Israeli prophets. But that is all. Jesus did not consider himself any bettter than any prophet of God.

When people asked Jesus to show some sign, he abused them and said the wicked generation is asking for a sign. But no sign will be shown to them (means no miracles) except the sign of prophet Jonas. Now every one should remember that prophet Jonas is not considered in any high esteem. He is considered a low grade prophet. So Jesus tried to match Jonas only.

And that also he could not show. Jonas survived the miracle of the belly of the fish. Jonas went in the belly alive and came out alive without dying. But Jesus could not survive. Being a God for the Catholics, it is surprising that they have a god who prays and does so many ungodly things and even dies. Is it not a laughing stalk of a religion that you people have got?

You sing bad words about Muhammad but every one knows that Jesus had to leave in a hurry never to be seen in public and never to return for the last 2000 years. You deal with Muhammad. We will deal with all your false beliefs.

 

[planten]

Hi.

We speak about prophets according to the way we view them.

If you love Jesus and Mary, well, by all means and that’s why you speak lovingly and respectfully of them.

Christians do not believe in Mohammad as a prophet and that his message was from God. They do not believe what he did was righteous and morally right. They do not think he was a holy man of God in fact they think that he was the anti-thesis of Jesus Christ. We speak of him according to how we view him.

Sorry about it but that’s how we feel about him. Please understand - we do not believe in Mohammad, his teaching and the Quran, in which some of the contents are explicitly anti-Christianity.

BTW the fact that you do not believe in Paul, you do not speak loving and respectfully of him, only you cannot speak much to actually discredit him because you find it’s hard to fault his piety and obedience to God after his conversion.

Your post is a good summary. But please consider, if you do not believe in Muhamamd as a true prophet, is it necessary to abuse him? That is your fault and sinful attitude.
You, so called Catholics, have no religion. We know it, Paul and all.

 

[R_not]

Your post is a good summary. But please consider, if you do not believe in Muhamamd as a true prophet, is it necessary to abuse him? That is your fault and sinful attitude.
You, so called Catholics, have no religion. We know it, Paul and all.

We only show you the surahs and hadiths - and you squirm over the behavior of mohammed in them. Which makes me wonder - if you are so uncomfortable with your own texts - why do you keep defending the indefensible?

In the past muslims have killed for what we do on these forums and this is why muslims are unable to defend his poor behavior - they are not used to doing so. And so instead of figuring out that mohammed’s behavior was indefensible - you complaim of being a victim because we have found so many problems with mohammed.

We don’t hate you planten. Most of us pray for you and other muslims that they wake up. It is hard though because even the internet is being filled up with untruths about mohammed. He even was bothered with bad dreams of jinn and the devil later in life for killing so many innocents.

mohammed

we find Muhammad anxious and afraid. He lived in constant fear, because he had caused the death of so many innocent victims in war and had asked his followers to help him get rid anyone who he thought was his enemies.

Whoever kills another person may dream that the spirits of the murdered victim follow him. Muhammad felt the influences of evil. He looked at many things created by God with fear because they looked evil to him. Muhammad was fearful.

Muhammad was afraid of the night and what dwelled in it. He was afraid of sorcerers and women who tried to influence others by making knots and blowing on them. Muhammad felt the power of evil spirits as one who had become envious. His fear is often found in the Qur’an and climaxes in deep terror of Allah.

How different from Muhammad is our Lord Jesus who said “Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you; Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid” ( John 14:27). Muhammad had no personal peace. He was an affrighted man, torn in his heart, desperate and unhappy. In the depth of his soul he was fearful of the night and sorcerers. He was especially afraid of envy. From every side, he saw himself under attack. We notice this in the last Sura of the Qur’an, an-Nas 114:1-5.

 

[dolphinlove]

DiL, you are uninformed. Try to learn something.

Hello!!! Your trying to tell me to learn something???

How many times have we had to repeat things to you, your the one that needs to open your mind to learning new things!
Im not talking about the Jews did to Jesus am i? I was talking about the veneration of Mary.

The Jews of that time abused Jesus and his mother. Not the Catholics but the Jews of that time. Please note that. There were no Catholics then. At least none of you is Catholics by your bad behaviour.

Again, im not talking about Jesus and the Jews.
Oh talking about my behaviour? I tell the truth, and you find it hard to take. Because you have no comeback when im telling the truth of your religion, you have to make up lies to compensate. Your the one that needs to learn a thing or two.
Just think of this, how come do you have to constantly reduce to lying when you debate, its because your religion does not supply you with the full truth. You see, its easy to defend then truth, which is the Catholic church, we dont have to make up lies and rubbish to get a point across.

You are all singing dirty hymns in chorus against the best of all mankind i.e. Muhammad. Remember that your Jesus was no match for Muhammad. Jesus who was arrested, abused and rejected and pulled on the cross and had to disappear suddenly within three years of his effort. Jesus was not even fit for Moses. Jesus was subordinate to Moses, under the command of Moses a.s.

Your comparing God to a paedophile, murdering, lustful, lying, cheating, scheming, womanizing dirty piece of scum? aka muhammad!
The problem here is, we have taught you what and why Jesus did what he did, but again your obviously too juvenile to understand. I will warn you now, for your own good, dont ever reduce Jesus to the level of anything, remember, you are going to have to face him one day for what you just said, he is not going to be pleased with you at all unless you repent.

Like all other israeli prophets, Jesus was the one on the tail end. May be was better than those other Israeli prophets. But that is all. Jesus did not consider himself any bettter than any prophet of God.

Jesus is not a prophet, he is the son of God, there is no comparison to Jesus. He is greater than all, especially your mo.

When people asked Jesus to show some sign, he abused them and said the wicked generation is asking for a sign. But no sign will be shown to them (means no miracles) except the sign of prophet Jonas. Now every one should remember that prophet Jonas is not considered in any high esteem. He is considered a low grade prophet. So Jesus tried to match Jonas only.

And that also he could not show. Jonas survived the miracle of the belly of the fish. Jonas went in the belly alive and came out alive without dying. But Jesus could not survive. Being a God for the Catholics, it is surprising that they have a god who prays and does so many ungodly things and even dies. Is it not a laughing stalk of a religion that you people have got?

You sing bad words about Muhammad but every one knows that Jesus had to leave in a hurry never to be seen in public and never to return for the last 2000 years. You deal with Muhammad. We will deal with all your false beliefs.

All it says to me when i read this is blah blah blah.
I cant believe the rubbish you make up sometimes! Honestly!

 

[dolphinlove]

Your post is a good summary. But please consider, if you do not believe in Muhamamd as a true prophet, is it necessary to abuse him? That is your fault and sinful attitude.
You, so called Catholics, have no religion. We know it, Paul and all.

YOU ATTACK Jesus!!!
Remember, when you attack Jesus, your attacking God himself.
And no, we dont need to abuse him, he does a good job of that himself. Look at the lifestyle he led! It was all about greed, lust, conquering, making up things to suit him own purposes.
Oh did i mention paedophile?

 

[R_not]

Hello!!! Your trying to tell me to learn something???

How many times have we had to repeat things to you, your the one that needs to open your mind to learning new things!
Im not talking about the Jews did to Jesus am i? I was talking about the veneration of Mary.

Again, im not talking about Jesus and the Jews.
Oh talking about my behaviour? I tell the truth, and you find it hard to take. Because you have no comeback when im telling the truth of your religion, you have to make up lies to compensate. Your the one that needs to learn a thing or two.
Just think of this, how come do you have to constantly reduce to lying when you debate, its because your religion does not supply you with the full truth. You see, its easy to defend then truth, which is the Catholic church, we dont have to make up lies and rubbish to get a point across.

Your comparing God to a paedophile, murdering, lustful, lying, cheating, scheming, womanizing dirty piece of scum? aka muhammad!
The problem here is, we have taught you what and why Jesus did what he did, but again your obviously too juvenile to understand. I will warn you now, for your own good, dont ever reduce Jesus to the level of anything, remember, you are going to have to face him one day for what you just said, he is not going to be pleased with you at all unless you repent.

Jesus is not a prophet, he is the son of God, there is no comparison to Jesus. He is greater than all, especially your mo.

All it says to me when i read this is blah blah blah.
I cant believe the rubbish you make up sometimes! Honestly!

Underneath the facade of being ‘peaceful’ we see why muslims are persecuting Christians worldwide. And I am not talking the imagined persecution of muslims here who get full rights and just don’t feel that they get to fully practice their religion - which means that we have to be subjugated to them, and allow them to steal, torture and kill us - as they do in other lands.

I see through planten why muslims are killed and tortured in their lands. I can read the hatred underneath his words for anything not of islam. There has been no attempt by planten to understand, or to tolerate, other’s religions - let alone ours - the forum that he enjoys full freedom (if he obey’s the rules) on. How long has planten been in this forum, have explained to him repeatedly the same stuff so often that we all lose count, and how often does he throw out the same accusations? answer: we lost count.

It is that stink underneath the facade of peace that makes the hairs on my back rise.

 

[dolphinlove]

Underneath the facade of being ‘peaceful’ we see why muslims are persecuting Christians worldwide. And I am not talking the imagined persecution of muslims here who get full rights and just don’t feel that they get to fully practice their religion - which means that we have to be subjugated to them, and allow them to steal, torture and kill us - as they do in other lands.

I see through planten why muslims are killed and tortured in their lands. I can read the hatred underneath his words for anything not of islam. There has been no attempt by planten to understand, or to tolerate, other’s religions - let alone ours - the forum that he enjoys full freedom (if he obey’s the rules) on. How long has planten been in this forum, have explained to him repeatedly the same stuff so often that we all lose count, and how often does he throw out the same accusations? answer: we lost count.

It is that stink underneath the facade of peace that makes the hairs on my back rise.

I think this image says it all…

 

[R_not]

http://kassandraproject.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/brainwashing02.gif

I think this image says it all…

 

[Reuben_J]

** Your post is a good summary. **

Thanks planten.

** But please consider, if you do not believe in Muhamamd as a true prophet, is it necessary to abuse him? That is your fault and sinful attitude.
You, so called Catholics, have no religion. We know it, Paul and all.**

Even if it is our fault and sinful attitude, please do not kill us for making unfavorable review on Mohammad. I know none of the Christian posters here are safe in the real Muslims world for speaking out on Islam but who knows, even in the Internet you might be able to trace us. Not that we are afraid to die but please do not kill us all the same.

Thanks. I hope you keep to your motto and be a real peaceful Muslim.

 

[planten]

Thanks planten.

Even if it is our fault and sinful attitude, please do not kill us for making unfavorable review on Mohammad. I know none of the Christian posters here are safe in the real Muslims world for speaking out on Islam but who knows, even in the Internet you might be able to trace us. Not that we are afraid to die but please do not kill us all the same.

** I said there is no need to abuse any man of God. Don’t believe but do not abuse. Like your two friends here who are repeating each others own bad posts and trying to enjoy. Quite non-Catholic attitude.

I did not like that christians should be disliked and they should be stopped from preaching. But now, I have got a good proof why the Muslims do not allow the christians to preach in their countries. Because the christians have a filthy attitude towards others leaders.

It is necessary to block the work of such foolish abusive persons in any country. Nobody is killing youif you do not try to kill any one,i/e/ if you do not abuse.**

Thanks. I hope you keep to your motto and be a real peaceful Muslim.

And what about you and your gang of abusers? Will they be peaceful? They are Quite unlike Jesus but using the name of Jesus only. We had known all along that your religion was false. But we have got a good proof now.

 

[swariffin]

**
And what about you and your gang of abusers? Will they be peaceful? They are Quite unlike Jesus but using the name of Jesus only. We had known all along that your religion was false. But we have got a good proof now.**

Do you mean by being a good Christian, we must accept your teaching??

 

[R_not]

** I said there is no need to abuse any man of God. Don’t believe but do not abuse. Like your two friends here who are repeating each others own bad posts and trying to enjoy. Quite non-Catholic attitude.

I did not like that christians should be disliked and they should be stopped from preaching. But now, I have got a good proof why the Muslims do not allow the christians to preach in their countries. Because the christians have a filthy attitude towards others leaders.

It is necessary to block the work of such foolish abusive persons in any country. Nobody is killing youif you do not try to kill any one,i/e/ if you do not abuse.**

And what about you and your gang of abusers? Will they be peaceful? They are Quite unlike Jesus but using the name of Jesus only. We had known all along that your religion was false. But we have got a good proof now.

You accuse us of being ‘non-Catholic’ when in fact we are just fine.

Now, what is wrong is your telling us your attitude is non-abuse. You do what you are accusing us of since your accusations cannot be proven. BUT - here is the big difference - you are behaving as a muslim should behave.

You have placed judgement on all of Christians, Jews, Hindus and others because you do not like that we tell you your own scripture. Or that we may laugh.

So you are proving, to me, that muslims are just as I read in the news about them - intolerant, want us censored because they are unable to look at their own religion and discuss it only unless they make up fairy tales about it. But on the other hand muslims EXPECT us to bend to their demands of tolerance when there has been no infringement upon their rights in our lands. AND they have time and again behaved poorly - especially since the Israeli/Gaza war was going on. They have consistently supported hamas and it has been proven it has been hamas who have committed war crimes and Israel has not.

And they have also behaved poorly in their schools when we have found hate literature in their schools and we have found many preaching hatred towards us and inciting their own to the same behavior you are exhibiting - intolerance.

And the aura of goodness on evil - is also done to the aura of badness on good. You bash us but have not proven one thing.

This thread is how do muslims rationalize mohammed’s actions - and you have not done so but didn’t like that history shows mohammed to have done some pretty bad things.

One of your posts that say Jesus abused others is so outlandish and you have not proven anything - not even with your own koran that your assertion is correct that the one who is overstepping the bounds is you.

There are other outlandish posts by you and once again, you are being a good, little muslims. Since good is bad and bad is good in the world of islam.

 

[R_not]

I should add that you saying that it is good that muslims don’t allow others to preach is based on fear.

Why would we be preaching about your religion - we would be preaching our own religion.

But, because muslims preach about our religion all the time their paranoia and fear that others do the same underhanded things is the reason for their intolerance. Or that they are unable to fathom that others should not be subjugated to them is another reason. All of these are coming out in your post. Fear, paranoia and intolerance. All traits that mohammed has bestowed upon his followers.

When you want to be free of those types of feelings maybe you will look at a Bible and see the message that we see.

16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[f] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.[g] 19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."[h]

 

[Muslim_Woman]

** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

Salaam/ Peace

How many Hindu suicide bombers have there been?

countless but media don’t relate religion with crime when sinners are non-Muslims. In Sri Lanka , u will never hear if Tamils are Hindus , Christians or what ? In Nepal , when Maoist groups kill hundred villagers in one night , no media will say Nepal is the only hindu country in the world.

“In my own reading of the Koran, I began counting the invocations to violence. I gave up after the first 50, 60, or 70 pages.” - Cardinal George Pell, Archbishop of Sydney, Australia.

Ask the Archbishop , did he count the verses on war , killing , concubines etc in his holy Bible ?

 

[chrisse]

** In the name of the pagan god Allah**

Salaam/ Peace on Islam’s terms

countless but media don’t relate religion with crime when sinners are non-Muslims. In Sri Lanka , u will never hear if Tamils are Hindus , Christians or what ? In Nepal , when Maoist groups kill hundred villagers in one night , no media will say Nepal is the only hindu country in the world.

Ask the Archbishop , did he count the verses on war , killing , concubines etc in his holy Bible ?

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Too late, adherent of the geo-political ideology of islam. The same imam from the other thread on “It’s ok to beat your wives”, replied to Cardinal Pell (lol also called him an Archbishop) and challenged Cardinal Pell to a debate, rotfl . Wow, that would have been so funny; I mean someone who may have graduated from primary school debating a Cardinal.

Cardinal Pell was asked about this from a newspaper, his reply - Catholics follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Ponder that. I have yet to meet any adherent of the geo-political ideology of islam, generally called muslims, who has one iota of understanding of Christianity. Probably because those that do are no longer muslims.

Here’s a hint - it’s not anything like Islam.

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