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hasantas
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Someone say that God of Qur’an is an imposter. But they are not aware of Bible! I can interpret both such verses in Qur’an and Bible.
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JimmyDFG
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“Muslims agree that the manuscript, or version, of the Quran we see today was compiled by Uthman, the third caliph (reign 644 to 656); a caliph being the political leader of a Caliphate (Islamic government). For this reason, the Quran as it exists today is also known as the Uthmanic codex.”
Muhammad didn’t write the quran since was illiterate
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hasantas
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Prophet Muhammad had written all verses which were revealed. Prophet Muhammad had not known that when the revelation would stop so He did not compile verses but He point all verses to be written in suras. If Muhammad would compile Qur’an He would have to destroy previous book when new revelation came.
After prophet Muhammad the revelation was end and Qur’an was compiled by Abu Bakr. Abu Bakr did not do that by himself but rendered a commission. Commission compiled verses in a book very carefully. There were many Hafizs and that version was red and all Sahabas and hafizs approved.
Islamic state got invasion by conquests so Uthman reproduced 7 texts of book which Abu Bakr had compiled. So Uthman did not compile a new book but he made copies of text of Abu bakr.
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Techno2000
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What is your interpretation of this…
**Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
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TonyBS
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JimmyDFG
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According to Islamic tradition, during one such occasion while he was in contemplation, the archangel Gabriel appeared before him in the year 610 CE and said, “Read”, upon which he replied, “I am unable to read”. Thereupon the angel caught hold of him and embraced him heavily. This happened two more times after which the angel commanded Muhammad to recite the following verses
"Proclaim! (or read!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created-
Created man, out of a clot of congealed blood:
Proclaim! And thy Lord is Most Bountiful,-
Who taught by the pen-
Taught man that which he knew not."
Quran 96:1–5
How is someone to know what he wrote if he can not read?
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MartinJordan
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This is not answering Techno. Besides I’m yet to get an acknowledgement to my exegesis on Luke in posts #171 and you didn’t answer my post #183. Yet you pick OT Bible verses and NT Bible verses even though you say Quran is all you need.
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hasantas
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If it get understood that Qur’an is directly word of God then topic will be understood!
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hasantas
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That is explained in Hadiths. Muhammad was taught in the name of God so He could read. Muhammad was used to read and writers of revelation wrote. Muhammad did not wrote by Himself but writers wrote and Muhammad could read any more. If you claim that Muhammad could not read even if He was taught by God then I cannot say anything.
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Techno2000
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Go for it TonyI have my hand up, pick me, pick me
Regards Tony
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TonyBS
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Thank you for allowing me to answer your question
To me this is saying no one Can not Know the Father without First accepting Jesus the Christ.
For a Baha’i this is the Father that spoke to Moses through the burning Bush, this is the Father (Baha’u’llah (means Gory of God")) that stood with Christ at the right hand of God in Acts
Acts 7 But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 And he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”
this can also be seen earlier in Acts
Acts 2:32"This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses. 33"Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear. 34"For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says: 'THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD, "SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND,…
Again we have the Father we have Christ and we Have God and here we see the understanding that the Father is Greater then I.
Of course, not many will agree with this
Regards Tony
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hasantas
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First of all God is fair and God does not injustice and not behave cruelly. God wish to prevent evil and help goodness.
Everything is from God so creating evils is from God. There is no creator except God. That do not mean God cause evils but God create evils. I mean Satans intend to do evils and God create evils. Human choice to do evils by free will and God create that action. So responsibility is belong to Satans and human free will. God had sent many prophets to avoid from evils but if human choice to do evil insistly then God allow and create action. God do not choice or intend to do evil but God intend and create what human choice.
In verses it is said that God has deception. That sounds injustice. But God does not need anything to do something and God is omnipower so God does not need deception. Therefore there should be another reason.
The revelation is kind of speech which people talk. God use “deception” to point how God help good and prevent and punish evils.
The biggest deception is for scholarships. If scholarships do not do deed what exactly is written in scripture then they are in very big deception. People in deception think that they do good. That is a trick for them. God do not want people to be deceived but if people choice earthly pleasure instead life to come then there is a trick for them. There are many verses in OT for Jews scholarships who were in that deception. Jews scholarships choice worldly interests and they ignore scripture and do not obey prophets so God allow them to be deceived. The responsibility is belong to scholarships because they insistly choice evils.
God deceive unbelievers and bad people to prevent evils and help good people and punish evils. For instance Judas set a trap for Jesus but God set a trap for Judas. Angels took Jesus and when Judas came he did not see Jesus. God made Judas to look like Jesus. With that deception God prevent evil and help prophet and punished Judas. In that case God did not injustice.
There are more examples in Qur’an which will take long to explain.
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MartinJordan
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The New Testament Hasantas. Not the Qur’an. That is the topic. You’ve still not acknowledged post #171.
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MartinJordan
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Jesus doesn’t agree with this interpretation.Thank you for allowing me to answer your question
To me this is saying no one Can not Know the Father without First accepting Jesus the Christ.
For a Baha’i this is the Father that spoke to Moses through the burning Bush, this is the Father (Baha’u’llah (means Gory of God")) that stood with Christ at the right hand of God in Acts
Acts 7 But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 And he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”
this can also be seen earlier in Acts
Acts 2:32"This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses. 33"Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear. 34"For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says: 'THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD, "SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND,…
Again we have the Father we have Christ and we Have God and here we see the understanding that the Father is Greater then I.
Of course, not many will agree with this
Regards Tony
John 10:17–18 For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life, that I may take it again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again; this charge I have received from my Father.
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TonyBS
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That supports what I noted in my post.
Study Frame of Reference as that is the difference, it is a human shortcoming to which we all share.
Regards Tony
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Techno2000
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I have a simpler interpretation …everyone has to go through Jesus to get into Heaven (The Fatherland) some can do it the easy way, in this life, or you can do it the hard way… by means of purgatory for non-Catholics.
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hasantas
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To believe in Jesus as a prophet is easy way to get into Heavens and Muslims are on that way. Jesus conveyed and approved that clearly He was a prophet in Bible. But claiming Jesus to be God is very hard way which is not certain if get into Heavens. And it is not certain in Bible but perhaps through very strained interpretations and mysteries which are vey hard to follow.
In Bible Jesus advise to believe that He was sent by Father and Muslims believe in that. But Jesus never advise to believe in that He was God.
Jesus was the way to salvation and He worked for that by His humanity but not as a God! Except miracles there were no signs of divinity unto Jesus.
As I repeat very much claiming Jesus to be God does not gain advantages. He was sent with whole authority of God as He informed very certain so believe in that He was sent in the name of God is enough. There is no need for Jesus to be God Himself!
God cannot be sacrifice and such a god cannot be creator of universe and human. God is eternal and God does not kill some part of Himself indeed there is no split in God.
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So you claim that your way is easy!!! A bit fairness please!
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