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AugustTherese
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I don’t know about you, but I want to be in communion with the one who holds the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven.
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Agathon
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This is why we don’t read texts in isolation as Catholics.
I am. And so are you.JonNC:
I don’t know about you, but I want to be in communion with the one who holds the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven.
The keys to the kingdom were given to Peter, then the disciples, and the entire Church
And the 7 ecumenical councils don’t either
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AugustTherese
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No, they weren’t. They were given to Saint Peter alone, and to his successors.AugustTherese:
The keys to the kingdom were given to Peter, then the disciples, and the entire ChurchJonNC:
I don’t know about you, but I want to be in communion with the one who holds the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven.
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Agathon
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Those were Catholic councils so that strengthens my point.
As Anglicans, we accept all seven.
Yes, when the Church was not in Schism. Part of the reason for said Schism was the later claim of papal supremacy. None of those councils make that claim.
Nope. Given to the disciples and the entire Church.
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AugustTherese
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Where do you get that from?
Holy Orthodoxy
https://www.saintgeorgekearney.com/what_is_the_church.html
From the Lutheran perspective that I grew up in:
http://cyclopedia.lcms.org/display.asp?t1=k&word=KEYS.OFFICEOFTHE
And this excellent article on an Anglican view:
http://www.anglicancatholic.org/anglicanism-and-papacy?class=greenlink
https://www.saintgeorgekearney.com/what_is_the_church.html
From the Lutheran perspective that I grew up in:
http://cyclopedia.lcms.org/display.asp?t1=k&word=KEYS.OFFICEOFTHE
And this excellent article on an Anglican view:
http://www.anglicancatholic.org/anglicanism-and-papacy?class=greenlink
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AugustTherese
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Do you think any of those perspectives existed in the first 1,000 years of Christianity?
The Orthodox view was the view of the early Church, at least according to Pope St. Gregory and the early councilsJonNC:
Do you think any of those perspectives existed in the first 1,000 years of Christianity?
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AugustTherese
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How does ‘The Orthodox view’ come before the existence of the Orthodox Church?
Interesting question. You are aware of the different patriarchate that remained united after Rome split from them.JonNC:
How does ‘The Orthodox view’ come before the existence of the Orthodox Church?
As I said, the Church Catholic goes all the way back to Pentecost, and includes more than just those in communion with the Bishop of Rome.
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AugustTherese
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Don’t you think the Catholic Church decides who is and who isn’t included in Her Communion ?
Others have that choice, too. Seems to me the Great Schism, like all divisions in the Church, are mutualJonNC:
Don’t you think the Catholic Church decides who is and who isn’t included in Her Communion ?
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AugustTherese
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The Catholic Church isn’t divided. She’s One.
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Agathon
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Look up the Council of Chalcedon. If the Church didn’t believe in papal supremacy, it was sure heading that route.
No, sadly, we are divided. Pray His Spirit heals our divisionsJonNC:
The Catholic Church isn’t divided. She’s One.
Heading that route? That’s a different take than what most Catholics here will say. It implies a development of the teaching.JonNC:
Look up the Council of Chalcedon. If the Church didn’t believe in papal supremacy, it was sure heading that route.
The problem is the other patriarchs didn’t go along with it. Hence, the Church is now divided.
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