How do you convince those who do not believe life begins at conception?

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A one month old cannot vote. Are they human beings?
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a one month old cant be enrolled in school either. would you like to pick the one thing an infant CAN do that i listed, that a fetus CANT do, and ask me then if its a human being, because im happy to answer reasonable questions.
 
Semajleahcim said:
a one month old cant be enrolled in school either. would you like to pick the one thing an infant CAN do that i listed, that a fetus CANT do, and ask me then if its a human being, because im happy to answer reasonable questions.
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What is a fetus? If it is not a human being, what is it?
 
Jennifer123 said:
What is a fetus? If it is not a human being, what is it?
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fetus
One entry found.

Main Entry:
fe·tus Listen to the pronunciation of fetus
Pronunciation:
\ˈfē-təs\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English, from Latin, act of bearing young, offspring; akin to Latin fetus newly delivered, fruitful — more at feminine
Date:
14th century

: an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind ; specifically : a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth

thats what a fetus is. not a human being, but a DEVELOPING human, something that is not yet human, but will be.

and knowings half the battle.
 
As original poster, I’ve been following all of this and trying to learn a thing or two.

I must say I am confused by the phrase: ***“it is human life, but not a human being.” ***

Could you explain that one to me? Is that something that would make sense to medical people? or biologists? I’ve never heard that phrase before.

Thanks
 
max37 said:
As original poster, I’ve been following all of this and trying to learn a thing or two.

I must say I am confused by the phrase: ***“it is human life, but not a human being.” ***

Could you explain that one to me? Is that something that would make sense to medical people? or biologists? I’ve never heard that phrase before.

Thanks
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the way i see it is i go by the dictionary.
a human being is its own person, it has its on thoughts, feelings, actions and isnt completely dependent on any other person to live. now, everyone likes to jump on this about how a baby cant feed itself or change its own diaper, but thats just semantics. it can breath, it doesnt feed off another thing by means of physical connection, it is no longer in a symbiotic relationship with another being, it is its on creature. a fetus IS human life, and it has the potential to become its on entity, but until it has been born and the cords been cut, its not.
thats my personal belief, and i think that MIGHT be how a lot of people see it too…
 
Can we force a woman to give birth beyond her will?
Is it justified? Can we do that to someone? (hold them against their will untill they give birth?)

Can we now? No. The law is written so she can choose to abort her baby. I think we can hold someone unitl they give birth. I know they’ve done that with pregnant drug users. When they keep using drugs, they’ve been held to keep them from destroying their own baby with drugs.

What if the womans life is in danger?

I think there should be a provision for this, if (and only if) it’s the baby that is what will kill the mother. If she has cancer and wants to commit abortion so she can have cancer treatment, then no, she shouldn’t be able to. Since no one is forced to give up their own lives for another, when the other will kill them, I don’t think this situation should be any different. I think tubal pregnancies is a good example of a situation in which abortion is morally OK.

What does it mean to be a human? It’s genetic.
What is a human life? Any member of the species is human.Deformity or state of development don’t determine humanity. What is an immature human if not human?
(some people here think it is merely the amount of chromosomes a cell contains, for me it’s a whole lot more complicated than that)

Does the embryo feel pain? It doesn’t matter. Some people are born without the ability to feel pain. Again, the physical characteristicts of an individual don’t determine the individual’s humanity.

Does the embryo have cognitive functions? Again, it doesn’t matter. If humanity were determined by cognitive function, babies born with anencephaly (sp?) wouldn’t be human beings. And if they’re not human beings, what are they?

Should we consider the effect of these and additional births on society? Where would the children go? Does it matter?

Yes, we should consider the effect on society. If the mother refuses or can’t take care of the baby, then we have to plan what to do. Since there are so many people who would love to adopt newborns, I think the most obvious thing to do is create homes to care for the babies until adoptive parents are identified. Or else find excellent foster parents to do the job.
 
I have two basic, simple arguments. The little child is human. It’s not feline or canine or anything, it’s human. No argument there.

The child is separate from the mother. It has different DNA and a different blood group and/or RH most of the time. It’s therefore a separate entity.

A separate human entity is by no means a non-life form, or a part of your body, therefore invalidating all pro-choice arguments other than giving the mother the right of life and death over the child. And that right is opposed on the same grounds as the death penalty, except it involves an innocent person at this time.
 
Semajleahcim said:
not a human being, but a DEVELOPING human, something that is not yet human, but will be.
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How can a developing human not be human eventually? What does a fetus develop into? Don’t we all develop at points in our lives? I’m not yet elderly, but I will develop into a senior citizen one day (hopefully).
 
Semajleahcim said:
would you like to pick the one thing an infant CAN do that i listed, that a fetus CANT do, and ask me then if its a human being, because im happy to answer reasonable questions.
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Are these the criteria for being a human being?
 
Semajleahcim said:
no, it’s human life, not a human being. a human being can vote, a human being can be enrolled in school, a human being can be passed around to annoying relatives when its about to throw up. a fetus isnt a human being.
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Some humans never go to school. They can never vote. Some are never passed around to annoying relatives. Are they human beings?

Are you saying that some human life isn’t worthy of the right to life? Say, perhaps, black people? Jews? Slaves of all kinds?

Those without legs (your example). Maybe those incapable of driving a car aren’t worthy of the right to life.

Certainly, by your own description, those who can’t vote aren’t protected by the right to life.

And those poor babies who spend their lives hooked up to tubes and are never passed around by annoying relatives aren’t human beings? Obviously, they’re not human. rotfl

Your arguments are really pathetic.
 
Jennifer123 said:
How can a developing human not be human eventually? What does a fetus develop into? Don’t we all develop at points in our lives? I’m not yet elderly, but I will develop into a senior citizen one day (hopefully).
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are you going to grow more fingers? are you going to grow more limbs? have you developed physically as much as you can? yes.

and no, you most certainly will not develop into a senior citizen. you will DETERIORATE into a senior citizen. thats what getting old is.
 
Semajleahcim said:
are you going to grow more fingers? are you going to grow more limbs? have you developed physically as much as you can? yes.

and no, you most certainly will not develop into a senior citizen. you will DETERIORATE into a senior citizen. thats what getting old is.
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I guess a one year old is less human than a 40 year old.
 
Semajleahcim said:
are you going to grow more fingers? are you going to grow more limbs? have you developed physically as much as you can? yes.

and no, you most certainly will not develop into a senior citizen. you will DETERIORATE into a senior citizen. thats what getting old is.
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Who is playing semantics now? 🤷
 
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