How do you feel about atheists?

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Anyway i am round at a friends being very ignorant :D. Thanks for the conversations as always. I’ll be on later.
 
What is the difference between these statements, if any?

I reject the claim a god exists due to the fact that none of the arguments can with stand critical analysis

I reject the claim a love exists due to the fact that none of the arguments can with stand critical analysis

I reject the claim a beauty exists due to the fact that none of the arguments can with stand critical analysis
 
Response to the OP: I still feel the same about atheists in many respects after participating in this thread, but I* have* learned some new things. For one, at least some atheists find the prospect of eternal life frightening.

I used to wonder how Heaven could be so wonderful, when the popular conception of it-- sitting around listening to harp music, forever-- sounded so terribly boring. Then I realized, God wouldn’t reward those who enter Heaven with boredom! What kind of “reward” would that be!!!

However, I could see boredom as an aspect of Hell. Sitting around alone with one’s thoughts forever, no one to communicate with, completely sentient but isolated from all comfort, love, joy, companionship; not even an internet connection (though one might have an eternally charged electronic device), and most of all, eternally separated from God. That would be Hell!
 
MrEmpiricism said:
Peer review and the scientific method has utterly transformed our lives, i do not need faith to observe the impact of science.
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But both can and often are abused. God, BTW, has transformed my life more than peer review and scientific method ever could.
 
MrEmpiricism said:
Many things…

Clearly i think you accept something that is wrong for a start. You also have the worry of hell, not really for you as an individual, but i can’t imagine how worrying it must be for you contemplation loved ones going to hell. You also have thought of eternal life hanging over you, something the horrifies me so much i am so glad there is no evidence that it is true. You also have the fact that that your faith stifles many discussion and interactions.
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Well, the above is as ridiculous as a meth addict saying, “Well, at least I don’t have the fear of what taking drugs will do to you!”

Or a parent allowing her child to play on the street saying, “I’m so glad that my child doesn’t have the fear of playing out on the highway! What a great, care-free life I’ve given my child!”
For example established facts being banned topics worries me. That is no path to truth.
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Just a piece of advice: I wouldn’t take the microcosm of the Catholic Answers forum to be representative of what Catholics discuss.

You do understand that even if evolution is banned here…Catholics actually can discuss it.

Right?
 
PRmerger said:
Indeed.

And you can thank the Catholic Church for this scientific method. 🙂

The above is a statement of faith, ironically.
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What exactly faith based about saying that science has had a positive impact on life? I don’t need faith to observe

the increased life span that medical science has given us
the shorted travel times that jet planes have brought us
the benefits to knowledge sharing that the internet has provided us
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PRmerger said:
Well, the above is as ridiculous as a meth addict saying, “Well, at least I don’t have the fear of what taking drugs will do to you!”

Or a parent allowing her child to play on the street saying, “I’m so glad that my child doesn’t have the fear of playing out on the highway! What a great, care-free life I’ve given my child!”

Just a piece of advice: I wouldn’t take the microcosm of the Catholic Answers forum to be representative of what Catholics discuss.

You do understand that even if evolution is banned here…Catholics actually can discuss it.

Right?
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No the point is those are a result of you believing in that which has no reflection on reality.And the fact you have to worry about your loved ones going to hell must be terrifying. Which raises the question, say a catholic’s kids were atheists which has obviously happened somewhere. How could they be happy in heaven knowing their kids are in hell?

As for banning conversation that is not confined to this forum.
 
MrEmpiricism said:
What exactly faith based about saying that science has had a positive impact on life? I don’t need faith to observe

the increased life span that medical science has given us
the shorted travel times that jet planes have brought us
the benefits to knowledge sharing that the internet has provided us
etc
etc
etc
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So does a longer life span translate into greater happiness? Does quicker travel time? Does more knowledge?

My Aunt was a Sister of Charity. She seldom traveled, seldom used the internet. Yet she was the happiest person I ever knew. You see she didn’t base her happiness on physical things. And she could appreciate love , and beauty without chalking them up to chemical reactions. She took joy in helping others and teaching young children. She didn’t feel the need to have her efforts ratified by peer reviewed papers or any accolades at all. and that , my friend, is what you are missing out on. there is a whole world of joy and happiness that you have turned your back in the name of “logic”
 
MrEmpiricism said:
I would disagree, but that is of course subjective 🙂
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Look up the name Norman Levitt. Before his passing he was a Dr of Mathematics at Rutgers university . One of his hobbies was writing totally nonsense papers on social science subjects and submitting them for publication in peer reviewed publications. He was very often successful. We have also seen rampant abuse of the peer review system in the AGW debate.

Norm was a personal friend-one of the founding members of the Gettysburg discussion group. (www.gdg.org) He was also an atheist
 
I think we should love them the way Christ would. I know they have there own way of life. We have to represent in a way that makes them want to be a part of what we have.
 
I don’t believe in trucks, therefore I don’t have to worry about getting hit by a truck.

Atheism in a nutshell.
 
estesbob said:
What is the difference between these statements, if any?

I reject the claim a god exists due to the fact that none of the arguments can with stand critical analysis

I reject the claim a love exists due to the fact that none of the arguments can with stand critical analysis

I reject the claim a beauty exists due to the fact that none of the arguments can with stand critical analysis
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Statement wise there is no difference with the structure, otherwise the difference is some of them are sound some are not,
 
estesbob said:
So does a longer life span translate into greater happiness? Does quicker travel time? Does more knowledge?

My Aunt was a Sister of Charity. She seldom traveled, seldom used the internet. Yet she was the happiest person I ever knew. You see she didn’t base her happiness on physical things. And she could appreciate love , and beauty without chalking them up to chemical reactions. She took joy in helping others and teaching young children. She didn’t feel the need to have her efforts ratified by peer reviewed papers or any accolades at all. and that , my friend, is what you are missing out on. there is a whole world of joy and happiness that you have turned your back in the name of “logic”
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Jolly good, estesbob. Now you’re getting at the materialism which is at the core of any "atheist’ philosophy. And since even the “atheist” realizes how shallow that is, they must go a searching for meaning in their lives. Hence, their presence here, whether they admit it or not. And of course, they are welcome here, and welcome to learn about Jesus Christ and the salvation He offers to all, no matter where and who they are. Until they are dead, of course. Much, much too late, then. 'Nuff said!:tiphat:
 
Faithdancer said:
Jolly good, estesbob. Now you’re getting at the materialism which is at the core of any "atheist’ philosophy. And since even the “atheist” realizes how shallow that is, they must go a searching for meaning in their lives. Hence, their presence here, whether they admit it or not. And of course, they are welcome here, and welcome to learn about Jesus Christ and the salvation He offers to all, no matter where and who they are. Until they are dead, of course. Much, much too late, then. 'Nuff said!:tiphat:
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Ill tell you another one. My Dad was the smartest man I ever knew yet he never made in past high school.
 
estesbob said:
BGod, BTW, has transformed my life more than peer review and scientific method ever could.
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And this is something that only God and you could possibly know for sure, although those close to you can no doubt attest to it as empirical observers, as well! However, to you and to God it is *objective *truth!

Good show old chap! I would hope, if asked what is most important in my life, my friends and family would say, “God!” without hesitation. If not, then I have some work to do, eh?:yyeess:
 
estesbob said:
Ill tell you another one. My Dad was the smartest man I ever knew yet he never made in past high school.
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I believe it, even though I never met him. There is a certain intellectual pride that is insidious, and often accompanies attainment of advanced learning. I fight against it myself. And as we know, pride is the mother sin of all sins.:knight2:
 
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