How do you know the person you are with is the right one?

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I a 27yo female who has been seeing a man for the past five months.
I seem to alternate between thinking he is the right one to being unsure.
Today I am unsure again.
I have been in past relationships and really don’t want to waste any time anymore as it is painful for both parties.
Since my last relationship, I was praying to God to spare me from pointless relationships and reveal to me the right guy.

We met online and realised we have a lot in common:
  • same cultural background (I’ve wanted this for a long time now).
  • same religion.
  • mutual friends.
  • he used to go to my church. We go to my church together at times.
  • he is respectful and caring.
  • enjoy similar activities.
  • both deal with conflict in a calm manner.
  • both have agreeable personalities e.g. we are both nice people.
  • both physically attracted to one another.
  • his parents and family love me.
Though there are some things that do concern me, such as:
-he is ten years older than me
-financially he isn’t in the best place and lacks career direction
  • I feel deeper conversations to be lacking at times (he is more of a practical, sensing type whilst I am intuitive and intellectual)
    -our spiritual levels are different (e.g. he is a Catholic Italian however distanced himself from the faith probably just due to spiritual malaise. He always goes to mass and other catholic events with me if I invite him, but on his own he isn’t very motivated).
    -sometimes I feel drained in his company as he likes to talk details about his hobbies/interests e.g. stock market.
I am wondering how best to proceed with this relationship. I know he is 100% invested in me and will marry me one day. But I don’t want to keep on praying and have the relationship drag on for another few months or years until I get my answer.

Thanks for your help.
 
I a 27yo female who has been seeing a man for the past five months.
I seem to alternate between thinking he is the right one to being unsure.
Today I am unsure again.
I have been in past relationships and really don’t want to waste any time anymore as it is painful for both parties.
Since my last relationship, I was praying to God to spare me from pointless relationships and reveal to me the right guy.

We met online and realised we have a lot in common:
  • same cultural background (I’ve wanted this for a long time now).
  • same religion.
  • mutual friends.
  • he used to go to my church. We go to my church together at times.
  • he is respectful and caring.
  • enjoy similar activities.
  • both deal with conflict in a calm manner.
  • both have agreeable personalities e.g. we are both nice people.
  • both physically attracted to one another.
  • his parents and family love me.
Though there are some things that do concern me, such as:
-he is ten years older than me
-financially he isn’t in the best place and lacks career direction
  • I feel deeper conversations to be lacking at times (he is more of a practical, sensing type whilst I am intuitive and intellectual)
    -our spiritual levels are different (e.g. he is a Catholic Italian however distanced himself from the faith probably just due to spiritual malaise. He always goes to mass and other catholic events with me if I invite him, but on his own he isn’t very motivated).
    -sometimes I feel drained in his company as he likes to talk details about his hobbies/interests e.g. stock market.
I am wondering how best to proceed with this relationship. I know he is 100% invested in me and will marry me one day. But I don’t want to keep on praying and have the relationship drag on for another few months or years until I get my answer.

Thanks for your help.
well if the person is someone I am with than you can almost guarantee that they are not the right one. I understand about the lack of career direction because I’m around that age and I have a hard time getting a job and it’s not for lack of trying. I think honestly the biggest red flag I see is the lack of spirituality. I know people will disagree with me and that’s fine anyway though I think this is a conversation you need to have with him. as for myself I would love that find a Catholic woman that will come to Mass with me and all that stuff
 
well if the person is someone I am with than you can almost guarantee that they are not the right one. I understand about the lack of career direction because I’m around that age and I have a hard time getting a job and it’s not for lack of trying. I think honestly the biggest red flag I see is the lack of spirituality. I know people will disagree with me and that’s fine anyway though I think this is a conversation you need to have with him. as for myself I would love that find a Catholic woman that will come to Mass with me and all that stuff
Yeah. I’m hoping that maybe with me he would become more spiritual as I have seen this happen. Though I don’t want to take the risk either.
 
Yeah. I’m hoping that maybe with me he would become more spiritual as I have seen this happen. Though I don’t want to take the risk either.
I think you’ve got the right idea be an example don’t be pushy but say “hey, would you like to pray with me?” Or something along those lines. Don’t force your own spirituality on him but help him grow in his own I hope that makes sense.
 
If you want the answer, go beyond the checklist.

Close your eyes, get quiet, and focus on how you feel. When you think of him what comes to mind? Do you have a sense of peace? Does your heart hurt when you imagine a day without him in it? Does it race when you think about spending time with him?

When you are away do you miss him?
When you are in the store do you see things and think about how he would like it?
When you are sitting quietly together, do you think “yeah, this is it”?

Because the things on the checklist are just the starting point. The checklist identifies the deal breakers, but you have to have more than the checklist.
 
If you want the answer, go beyond the checklist.

Close your eyes, get quiet, and focus on how you feel. When you think of him what comes to mind? Do you have a sense of peace? Does your heart hurt when you imagine a day without him in it? Does it race when you think about spending time with him?

When you are away do you miss him?
When you are in the store do you see things and think about how he would like it?
When you are sitting quietly together, do you think “yeah, this is it”?

Because the things on the checklist are just the starting point. The checklist identifies the deal breakers, but you have to have more than the checklist.
Thanks that’s actually helpful.
 
Do not marry him expecting him to change in the areas and directions you want him to. Marriage is “as is” 😉

A study showed that children tend to follow their fathers in the way of religion. Of families in which the father practiced and took the children to church and the mother did not, 3/4 of the children continued to practice their faith. Of the families in which the mother did those things and the father did not, only 1/4 did. (This is a general trend, but don’t go into something expecting to do things so well it won’t happen to you.)

Your husband will be the spiritual head of your family. That is definitely something to take into account.

In raising children, either the parents work together as a team, or they don’t. If a man is not interested in serious, sustained discussion about things related to family, if he is not open to considering different types of ways of going about things, that could be a problem. OTOH, your husband seems to come from a loving family where he will have picked up good habits, so that might mitigate his lack of desire to talk more deeply.

This man seems to have difficulties in areas such that I suspect he might lack self-discipline and be unwilling to buckle down to do things that are uncomfortable, difficult, or requiring sustained effort. Obviously I could be totally wrong about this, but a few of the things you write about him seem to indicate this, lack of job direction in his late 30s, lack of commitment to the faith, too high an interest in his own hobbies. He seems, from what you say, to just follow his whims and what interests him.

(I am thinking by lack of career direction that you mean he doesn’t really know what he wants to do when he grows up, but Adam seems to take it as lack of a job, which can be hard to come by these days. The latter would be a completely different problem, of course.)

OTOH, maybe he could really accomplish something with his interest in the stock market. I have met people who had been professionals (unhappily) who switched careers to their hobbies, becoming artists or teachers and really did much better in the second career than the first.

You don’t mention much about how you feel when you are with him, or how you two get along, or things like that. How would the two of you manage if you were stuck on a desert island?
 
Though there are some things that do concern me, such as:
-he is ten years older than me
-financially he isn’t in the best place and lacks career direction
  • I feel deeper conversations to be lacking at times (he is more of a practical, sensing type whilst I am intuitive and intellectual)
    -our spiritual levels are different (e.g. he is a Catholic Italian however distanced himself from the faith probably just due to spiritual malaise. He always goes to mass and other catholic events with me if I invite him, but on his own he isn’t very motivated).
    -sometimes I feel drained in his company as he likes to talk details about his hobbies/interests e.g. stock market.
I am wondering how best to proceed with this relationship. I know he is 100% invested in me and will marry me one day. But I don’t want to keep on praying and have the relationship drag on for another few months or years until I get my answer.

Thanks for your help.
I have to say, your “positive list” is a really good one. You and he have a lot of good qualities that you share.

I think that you should not be concerned about the age difference. Many people marry with this age span difference. What concerns do you have about it?

It sounds like you have done the Briggs Stratton test from your description of your differences in conversations. Those tests are not a tool for weeding out relationships, but they can help you interact more effectively because you know other people’s style, and not just in dating or married relationships. Actually, I am not sure that your differences are a bad thing in this case. Between you, you will be able to see many sides of things and situations that come up in family life. If you would like to have “deeper conversation” (whatever that means to you) you need to lead him there. Some people are not “deep” on a day to day basis. But when lead to there, they can participate. Honestly, some of what you are describing is really just how men and women communicate differently. So I am not so sure this is just him.

As far as his spiritual levels, it seems like he is making an effort, an effort that many are never afforded. It seems to me he is trying. You can never know what is in his heart, nor can you expect anyone to be in the same exact place that you are. I think he has potential to follow your lead though. You may be the example that makes the difference in leading him back to mass for himself.

I understand your lack of interest in his hobby (stock market :yawn:) but how would you feel if he was not interested or listening to you about something that interests you? Perhaps you and he share some common interest and you can gently nurture that one so that you will not mind listening about his solo interest at times. Or, you could calmly explain sometime that you don’t really share that interest but that’s okay.

The financial thing is something only you can decide. I am not sure if you make more money than him and it makes you uncomfortable, or he just has a mundane job that he likes but that you don’t, or what it is. Has he expressed unhappiness and dissatisfaction with his career, or is this something only you desire to see him change? Out of everything you have mentioned, this is the one that is the sticking point for me. You can encourage him to be “more” **if that’s what he wants too. ** But you cannot expect someone to be something they are not. Marriages are not equal in that way much of the time.

The biggest thing I want to say to you is that you do not have to find a perfect person, just one that is perfect for you, be that with quirks, boring bits, or differences. You do not have to be the same, or think the same way about all things or do the same things if, at the end of the day, he is the one that is respectful, pleasant, caring and devoted to you. Yes, again, how does he make you feel? Do you look forward to being with him, or do you not?

May God bless you and guide you. 🙂
 
If you’ve only been dating for 5 months and you already find his conversation boring, a lifetime might be unbearable. I’ve heard it said and believe it to be true that it takes at least six months of dating for both parties to start relaxing and being their “true selves” around each other. IOW not always putting their best foot forward.
 
Sounds like there are a lot of positives. Keep in mind he may have some reservations about you too. Your concerns about his financial position are valid; it’s hardwired into women, feminism be damned, to want a strong provider for herself and her offspring. So have a frank discussion about your concerns. That’s what courtship is for.
 
Do not marry him expecting him to change in the areas and directions you want him to. Marriage is “as is” 😉

A study showed that children tend to follow their fathers in the way of religion. Of families in which the father practiced and took the children to church and the mother did not, 3/4 of the children continued to practice their faith. Of the families in which the mother did those things and the father did not, only 1/4 did. (This is a general trend, but don’t go into something expecting to do things so well it won’t happen to you.)

Your husband will be the spiritual head of your family. That is definitely something to take into account.

In raising children, either the parents work together as a team, or they don’t. If a man is not interested in serious, sustained discussion about things related to family, if he is not open to considering different types of ways of going about things, that could be a problem. OTOH, your husband seems to come from a loving family where he will have picked up good habits, so that might mitigate his lack of desire to talk more deeply.

This man seems to have difficulties in areas such that I suspect he might lack self-discipline and be unwilling to buckle down to do things that are uncomfortable, difficult, or requiring sustained effort. Obviously I could be totally wrong about this, but a few of the things you write about him seem to indicate this, lack of job direction in his late 30s, lack of commitment to the faith, too high an interest in his own hobbies. He seems, from what you say, to just follow his whims and what interests him.

(I am thinking by lack of career direction that you mean he doesn’t really know what he wants to do when he grows up, but Adam seems to take it as lack of a job, which can be hard to come by these days. The latter would be a completely different problem, of course.)

OTOH, maybe he could really accomplish something with his interest in the stock market. I have met people who had been professionals (unhappily) who switched careers to their hobbies, becoming artists or teachers and really did much better in the second career than the first.

You don’t mention much about how you feel when you are with him, or how you two get along, or things like that. How would the two of you manage if you were stuck on a desert island?
Thanks for your reply.
I think we’d actually really enjoy being on a desert island. We enjoy each others company (apart from when he is raving about shares and stocks etc) and I feel safe and secure with him.
He does work a casual job 5-6 days a week, averaging around 40 hours. Its just that he cant envision himself in this job forever as it is physically demanding e.g. he was on compensation for four weeks due to back injury. He also studies the share market and invests in shares and options trading however not sure how secure this is.
I feel ever since he met me he’s buckled down more but I think why did it take so long?
I do agree that he may lack self discipline though.

We had a big chat today about marriage etc. He said he needs about 1-2yrs to be financially stable enough to get married which is fine but a part of me wonders why it took him til 36 to figure this out. And why did he look for a relationship if he isn’t financially stable.
I am his first serious girlfriend. He has dated before but he describes our relationship as the most serious he has ever had.
Any ways I feel better after this conversation because at least he isnt reckless by wanting to marry me before being more stable.
 
An age gap isn’t intrinsically wrong by any means, but it can present some issues. Are you completely comfortable with the decade gap?
 
I a 27yo female who has been seeing a man for the past five months.
I seem to alternate between thinking he is the right one to being unsure.
That’s what you get for being a 27yo in the modern world. 😉
I have been in past relationships and really don’t want to waste any time anymore as it is painful for both parties.
Since my last relationship, I was praying to God to spare me from pointless relationships and reveal to me the right guy.
There is such a thing as trying too hard, wanting too much, for the wrong reasons. It’s great that you already know to not fritter your life away, but one also needs to come to terms with the fact that there will always be an element of uncertainty, a leap of faith to make. I know that’s hard.
We met online and realised we have a lot in common:
  • same cultural background (I’ve wanted this for a long time now).
  • same religion.
  • mutual friends.
  • he used to go to my church. We go to my church together at times.
  • he is respectful and caring.
  • enjoy similar activities.
  • both deal with conflict in a calm manner.
  • both have agreeable personalities e.g. we are both nice people.
  • both physically attracted to one another.
  • his parents and family love me.
That does sound like a lot in common, and a solid foundation too.

Though there are some things that do concern me, such as:
-he is ten years older than me
That’s up to you. It does mean the two of you might not exactly be on the same stage of your respective journeys, but that range of age difference used to be considered desirable. Personally, I believe it’s too difficult to generalize reliably, it all comes down to the individual case, the specific two people involved.
-financially he isn’t in the best place
As long as he has direction…
and lacks career direction
… But, apparently, he hasn’t. If he hasn’t direction right now, that can be a minor bump on the road. But if he doesn’t have direction in general, he may need counselling and you may need to reevaluate (which does not necessarily mean ‘and subsequently end’) your relationship.

I utterly refuse to level any unwarranted, exaggerated criticism against him as a person, but it’s objectively a difficult situation to be in as his prospective fiancée, no doubt.

First thing, check if the two of you could maintain a modest but reasonably comfortable household that would cover your needs and preferably allow you to reach your potential (as British social workers are wont to say). If yes, then well, you have at least that. If not, then marrying would be problematic.

Next check if it’s the family’s livelihood that concerns you or if it is instead connected more with his attractiveness to you as a man devoid of a sense of direction or ambition. Then, consider just how important that it is to you. The point is not even to challenge your existing feelings or perceptions (though that too; as Catholics we sort of always have to challenge the reasonability and fairness of those), but to first of all realize just what they are. If it bothers you, the important question is will you be able to get over it, eventually, or not, rather than the question of appropriateness or fairness.
  • I feel deeper conversations to be lacking at times (he is more of a practical, sensing type whilst I am intuitive and intellectual)
Well, it’s kind of logically impossible to have someone who would be both the same (high degree of kindred soul) and yet complementary. Some people are attracted to similarities, others to opposites, but the number one thing is that while one can be attracted to both, one can’t have both in the same ‘significant’ other. As humans we are entirely capable of having a set of simultaneously charished desires than cannot possibly be all met at once. Perhaps you may need to take some inventory.
-our spiritual levels are different (e.g. he is a Catholic Italian however distanced himself from the faith probably just due to spiritual malaise. He always goes to mass and other catholic events with me if I invite him, but on his own he isn’t very motivated).
That sounds troubling. A lot of our fellow posters here started from the same position and eventually arrived at a point where both the spouses are hardcore practising Catholics that go about it jointly and happily, but no one is guaranteed such an outcome.

Next, it seems to me the gentleman in question may be suffering from a deeper, broader, more underlying problem connected with finding sense and direction in life in general. That doesn’t make him unmarriageable, but it would be safer for him to substantially finish the process before committing to marriage; one of the reasons is that formative events, decisions and processes are capable of changing one’s taste in men or women. In plain words, it’s better to know what kind of women he wants or likes or needs before the two of you cross the point of no return.
-sometimes I feel drained in his company as he likes to talk details about his hobbies/interests e.g. stock market.
Well, to be honest that appears normal, except perhaps in degree. Does he talk too much about work? Or does he talk too much about those of his interests that you do not share? Or does he talk too much in general? Or in a boring way? Each scenario would be different. Also, you may be suffering from burnout in that relationship right now.
I am wondering how best to proceed with this relationship. I know he is 100% invested in me and will marry me one day.
Wives are certainly more permanent than career choices. 😉 But yeah, well, even if his resolve and fidelity is assured, you still need to be convinced that your choice is right. There is a reason I’m not saying ‘the right one’. When it comes to ‘right ones’, the choice between the definite and the indefinite article is a deeply personal matter.
 
It would perhaps be too shallow to speak about ‘settling’, but you may need to consider where your desires point: to start with what you already have and work from there, or keep looking. I can’t tell you which is the right choice. Or that the right choice (well, the one more consistent with your beliefs, values, desires) will lead to a fulfilling life. Those aren’t exactly pleasant thoughts.

The first advice that comes to my mind is to at least make sure to remain capable of separating trivial (and tolerable) inconveniences and annoyances from things that really matter (and aren’t tolerable in the long run). Both too much compromising and too little lead to heartache (and headache too). But everyone’s individual mix is different. Few people even know what theirs is.
But I don’t want to keep on praying and have the relationship drag on for another few months or years until I get my answer.
Don’t be impatient. Too long is obviously too long, but it’s still better to waste another few months (though rather not years) pondering than waste the rest of your life by acting rashly. And by acting rashly I mean either marrying in haste (and repenting at leisure) or letting the boyfriend go in haste (and repenting at leisure).

Next, the idea may sound a little outlandish, but there is a temptation of pride in thinking we deserve some answers, shouldn’t have to wait and so on. Pride, fear, anxiety, a lot of troubling emotions may arise, so it’s good to take great care of one’s inner peace.

And praying a lot will be a necessity. But it’s not like you have to pray all alone. Other people, on earth, in heaven or in purgatory, will help. It’s important that you don’t give up having a strong, living, trusting faith in God.
 
Thanks that’s actually helpful.
Yes, it is. It’s all too easy to focus on the other person’s traits (virtues, vices, flaws, red flags etc.) and become stuck in evaluation mode while forgetting to gauge one’s own reactions or consider how the relationship feels.
 
illyxo, you will be in my prayers.

Your bf might want to look into doing the ‘stock’ market as his career. It might be a good direction for him, his enthusiasm might be his career calling. We could use some good people working in that field and he’s not too old for a career change. 🙂

About the ‘faith’, make it a part of your dating life. When I was a teen this wouldn’t have occurred to me, but at your age which is when I was engaged, my H and I would go to mass on Saturday night or Sunday morning and then go on our date.

We often say that the other encouraged our faith formation!

I have to admit, it was probably me who suggested it at first.

We didn’t do a whole lot of devotionals, just the Mass. We were fortunate that my H and I were raised in the faith, although not necessarily by devout people.

If I may suggest, if you are not saying a daily rosary, please consider saying one starting today. Ask St. Joseph to help you in finding a suitable husband whether it be this guy or someone else. And include your BF in that devotion so that he can have a good job/career no matter if he is to be your husband or not. Be open to God’s Will, which it seems you are very much so.

God Bless you!
 
“How do you know the person you are with is the right one?”

When you pray to God asking Him if this the man He wishes you to spend your life with, and receive His guidance. Following God’s will for our lives is the surest way to happiness, holiness and great graces.
 
After having read all the posts, the question is, “Do you want to wait another 12-18 months for hm to decide he is ready to propose?” And if you do what will the engagement length look like? How long are you willing to wait?

Peace,
B
 
You might not know for 20 or 30 years. And by then, it might be too late to do anything about it. 😛

Obviously a joke, but the truth is–you may never know for sure. And, like buying a house or having children, there’s never a right time. There are wrong times, but never really a right time.

Just go with your gut, where your spirit guides you. 👍🙂
 
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