How Do You Know Your Interpretation Is Correct?

[Webby]

**I have no idea because its not in God’s word - The Bible. And thus I’m not required to know. **

Here’s a simple debating rule.

If you are going to refute something (in your case the doctrine of purgatory), the you should know what the doctrine is all about or else you are making a laughing stock of yourself.

So find out first what we really mean by this doctrine, and then you will be better able to speak about it and hence debunk our claims.

And how did you get to here from our discussion on purgatory?

You’re very scattered my friend.

What has that got to do with what we were talking about. You’ve completely veered into another tangent unrelated to matter at hand.
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I see we have a problem here. We are talking about CHRISTIANITY right?. So, anything outside of Christ’s teachings, as only written in the Bible is not christianity !

I’ve not veered into another tangent. I only went there to tell you that if I am to accomodate your purgatory, I will also be obliged to accomodate that wisdom imputing ceremony. Because BOTH are outside of Biblical Scripture.

 

[benedictus2]

I see we have a problem here. We are talking about CHRISTIANITY right?. So, anything outside of Christ’s teachings, as only written in the Bible is not christianity !

My friend, are you even aware that before we had the Bible there was only the Catholic Church and her traditions?

Where do you think the Bible came from? Dropped from the sky?

And for your information, the doctrine on purgatory is based on the Bible. But you have a chopped up version of the Bible that you won’t find it in yours.

I’ve not veered into another tangent. I only went there to tell you that if I am to accomodate your purgatory, I will also be obliged to accomodate that wisdom imputing ceremony. Because BOTH are outside of Biblical Scripture.

Well, then desist from even discussing purgatory. You are the one who jumped into this discussion with your post.

 

[benedictus2]

I am however, aware of other institutional ceremonies that imputes wisdom in people by the wearing of ‘specialized hats’…

BTW what do you mean by this one?

 

[benidict]

**I have no idea because its not in God’s word - The Bible. And thus I’m not required to know. **

I am however, aware of other institutional ceremonies that imputes wisdom in people by the wearing of ‘specialized hats’. But that’s outside the Bible too and also nothing to do with Christianity or Christ’s teachings.

Perhaps we can put that in too (make it a sacrament in the church) to make ‘christians’ wiser. Afterall, wisdom is also an attribute much sought after in the Bible.

nice to see ya back. you just cant stay away can you?

 

[benidict]

BTW what do you mean by this one?

it really doesnt matter my friend. hes not trying to have a reasonable discussion with you. i give it a few more post, before he goes off on his usual anti Catholic tangent… Peace to you and yours

 

[benedictus2]

it really doesnt matter my friend. hes not trying to have a reasonable discussion with you. i give it a few more post, before he goes off on his usual anti Catholic tangent… Peace to you and yours

I have not encountered him before. I suppose just another ignorant troll.

BTW are we related by any chance? You know, Benedict - Benedictus

 

[Webby]

My friend, are you even aware that before we had the Bible there was only the Catholic Church and her traditions?

Where do you think the Bible came from? Dropped from the sky?

And for your information, the doctrine on purgatory is based on the Bible. But you have a chopped up version of the Bible that you won’t find it in yours.
Well, then desist from even discussing purgatory. You are the one who jumped into this discussion with your post.

And, are you aware that before the Catholic church, the apostles and disciples like Luke had already written Biblical Scripture? And there was NO traditions then? So, if the Bible came from the Catholics, what was Luke writing then? Comic books?

Where do you think the Traditions came from? From the Bible? Surely not. It is therefore non-biblical.

If the doctrine of purgatory is based on the Bible and God wanted it instituted then I’m sure Jesus would have made mention of it. But he didn’t. He only said “I am the Truth, the Way and the Life. NO man goes to the Father except through me”. He surely, did NOT say “I am the Truth, the Way and the Life and you are to undergo Purgatory”. :tsktsk:

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[benidict]

I have not encountered him before. I suppose just another ignorant troll.

BTW are we related by any chance? You know, Benedict - Benedictus

ive dealt with this guy numerous times. he keeps getting himself banned. and it always happens when i think we are making progress. my patron saint is saint benidict, so if yours is too, then in a sense, i guess we are related! Peace by the way, pray for this poster. i really do like him. and im hoping he will see the light.

 

[Webby]

I have not encountered him before. I suppose just another ignorant troll.

BTW are we related by any chance? You know, Benedict - Benedictus

If I were ignorant, you would be able to show me exactly where purgatory is taught in the Bible.

PS. Charity at the expense of truth = Evil.

Go ahead and ask your friends to join you in labelling those who speak the truth as liars & trolls and get us banned. If the truth is you, you would listen, but you wouldn’t for the truth is not in you.

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[benedictus2]

Are you aware that before the Catholic church, the apostles and disciples like Luke had already written Biblical Scripture? And there was NO traditions then?

Are you aware that the Apostles are the first members of the Catholic Church?
Are you aware that the Catholic Church began at Pentecost?
Are you aware that before the Bible was written it was only tradition?
Are you aware that the first canon of Scripture was originally called the canon of Tradition?

Where do you think the Traditions came from? From the Bible? Sure not. It is therefore non-biblical.

Sorry to disabuse you of that misconception my friend but the Bible came from Traditions of the Apostles (at least the NT). The OT were traditions of the Jews before it became written.
And yes, I challenge you to do a thorough research.

If the doctrine of purgatory is based on the Bible and God wanted it instituted then I’m sure Jesus would have made mention of it.

I am not sure what sort of denomination you belong to but I am taking a stab that you believe in “once saved always saved”. Tell me did Jesus talk about that in the Bible.

But he didn’t. He only said “I am the Truth, the Way and the Life. NO man goes to the Father except through me”.

And the doctrine on purgatory does says the same. Only your ignorance of the doctrine is making you write this kind of post.

He surely, did NOT say “I am the Truth, the Way and the Life and you are to undergo Purgatory”.

Look, If you are going to persist in talking about purgatory then I suggest you read about it first. It is frustrating talking to someone so ignorant of the subject he has the audacity to presume to engage in debate in.

When you know what it is about then we can talk. Till then I am not wasting keystrokes on you anymore.

 

[benedictus2]

If I were ignorant, you would be able to show me exactly where purgatory is taught in the Bible.

PS. Charity at the expense of truth = Evil.

Go ahead and ask your friends to join you in labelling those who speak the truth as liars & trolls and get us banned. If the truth is you, you would listen, but you wouldn’t for the truth is not in you.

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You tell me what you think we mean by purgatory and I will show it you in the Bible.

 

[benidict]

If I were ignorant, you would be able to show me exactly where purgatory is taught in the Bible.

PS. Charity at the expense of truth = Evil.

Go ahead and ask your friends to join you in labelling those who speak the truth as liars & trolls and get us banned. If the truth is you, you would listen, but you wouldn’t for the truth is not in you.

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now now my friend. lets try to hold it together. lets not have you get yourself banned again. try, to be civil. just this once. you may learn something. benedictus is very good at explaining himself. so please open your heart and mind, to what he is trying to tell you. and we have many people praying for you. Peace

 

[benedictus2]

ive dealt with this guy numerous times. he keeps getting himself banned. and it always happens when i think we are making progress. my patron saint is saint benidict, so if yours is too, then in a sense, i guess we are related! Peace by the way, pray for this poster. i really do like him. and im hoping he will see the light.

I think we are all related after baptism.

I was musing on the Feast of St Francis of Assisi and thought wow, this great and wonderful man is indeed my brother because of baptism.

I’m Benedictus from “The Benedictus” - Zechariah’s Canticle.

Webby will see the light. All in God’s perfect time.

 

[benidict]

I think we are all related after baptism.

I was musing on the Feast of St Francis of Assisi and thought wow, this great and wonderful man is indeed my brother because of baptism.

I’m Benedictus from “The Benedictus” - Zechariah’s Canticle.

Webby will see the light. All in God’s perfect time.

yes you are correct. all related after our baptism. love the name benedictus. and i love St. Francis. have you ever seen the movie Francisco? its about his life. very moving. Peace

 

[Pitcharan]

For the Protestants on board, I have a few questions which I hope will be answered in a rational-logical manner.

1. How do you know when you are interpreting scripture correctly? Note that I did not ask what you may believe a particular passage to mean.
2. When people differ over scriptural interpretation, and all are relying on the Holy Spirit for guidance, how is it determined which person is really being guided? And equally important, who makes the authoritative determination? Let me offer a short example:

A Lutheran walks up to me with an opened Bible, and declares “Baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation”. He then points to various scriptural verses which seem to support his doctrinal position.

A Baptist walks up to me with an opened Bible, and declares “Baptism is not absolutely necessary for salvation.” He then points to various scriptural verses which seem to support his doctrinal position.

How is it determined which person is correct? And, who decides?

It seems to me that if God’s Truth for man is to be known solely from the Bible, then there must be some sort of mechanism or system whereby men can know this Truth with absolute certainty.

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On matters concerning religious doctrines and iterpretation of scriptures, it is best NOT to argue.

The common guideline which has greatly benefited me is the Bible teaching: “God is not far from anyone who seeks Him sincerely”. Whenever we ponder over the meaning or interpretation, with a genuine quest for truth, we can be 100% certain that The Holy Spirit will instruct and explain with crystal clarity. Recall what the Psalmist wrote “They shall all be taught by God”

I say this with confidence based on my own expereience and share below some inspired interpretaions and explanations:
Immaculate nature of Mother Mary
God is infinitely just and fair and allows each one of us to choose freely between Good and Evil. This procees of making the right choice is equally influenced by two opposites, viz., the flesh and the spirit. The ones who who get it right the first time will get it right always. Though everyone is born with the stain of original sin, it can affect a person only after he or she made the first choice according to the prompting of their fleah. Mother Mary got it right the first time and every time.

Best regards

Pitcharan

 

[Bonarges]

On matters concerning religious doctrines and iterpretation of scriptures, it is best NOT to argue.

The common guideline which has greatly benefited me is the Bible teaching: “God is not far from anyone who seeks Him sincerely”. Whenever we ponder over the meaning or interpretation, with a genuine quest for truth, we can be 100% certain that The Holy Spirit will instruct and explain with crystal clarity. Recall what the Psalmist wrote “They shall all be taught by God”

I say this with confidence based on my own expereience and share below some inspired interpretaions and explanations:
Immaculate nature of Mother Mary
God is infinitely just and fair and allows each one of us to choose freely between Good and Evil. This procees of making the right choice is equally influenced by two opposites, viz., the flesh and the spirit. The ones who who get it right the first time will get it right always. Though everyone is born with the stain of original sin, it can affect a person only after he or she made the first choice according to the prompting of their fleah. Mother Mary got it right the first time and every time.

Best regards

Pitcharan

You are not a Protestant, nor did you actually address my questions. Perhaps you wandered into the wrong forum?

This entire thread has gone off in varying directions, and predictably so.

Let me ask a followup question for the few Protestants still on board:

Must I believe exactly as you believe to be saved?

 

[Pitcharan]

On matters concerning religious doctrines and iterpretation of scriptures, it is best NOT to argue.

The common guideline which has greatly benefited me is the Bible teaching: “God is not far from anyone who seeks Him sincerely”. Whenever we ponder over the meaning or interpretation, with a genuine quest for truth, we can be 100% certain that The Holy Spirit will instruct and explain with crystal clarity. Recall what the Psalmist wrote “They shall all be taught by God”

I say this with confidence based on my own expereience and share below some inspired interpretaions and explanations:
Immaculate nature of Mother Mary
God is infinitely just and fair and allows each one of us to choose freely between Good and Evil. This procees of making the right choice is equally influenced by two opposites, viz., the flesh and the spirit. The ones who get it right the first time will get it right always. Though everyone is born with the stain of original sin, it can affect a person only after he or she made the first choice according to the prompting of their flesh. Mother Mary got it right the first time and every time.

Best regards

Pitcharan

continuing my above post on my expereince with interpreting scriptures
THE PARABLE OF THE DISHONEST STEWARD , LUKE 16

This remarkable and unique parable is yet another solid testimony of our Lord’s continual awareness of the main purpose of His mission – to seek and save sinners.

While narrating the story of the corrupt manager, this is how our Lord opens His teaching:
• He appreciates the shrewdness of the dishonest manger in freely using ill-gotten money to win friends.
• He takes a mild dig at honest people who are seldom known to be liberal at spending their hard-earned money on friends.

His observations take us by surprise and we start wondering: “What is this we are hearing? Is it really our Lord who is talking this way?”

He then gently takes us to the main point and after He has completed what He really intended to teach, we slowly begin to realise that:
• Our Lord was beautifully wooing those who are condemned by society – the corrupt and the dishonest whose main weakness is money.

• He teaches something that they never ever knew – that heavenly treasures are theirs and they will receive that which is their own only if they proved trustworthy and honest with what belongs to others.
• He concludes the message by enlightening them to break free from their slavery to money, when He most effectively exposes the fallacy of trying to love both God and money by drawing a parallel with ‘a servant who serves two masters’.
• In the process He acknowledges that even dishonest and corrupt people love God but tells them firmly that only undivided Love is acceptable.

Pitcharan

 

[Pitcharan]

You are not a Protestant, nor did you actually address my questions. Perhaps you wandered into the wrong forum?

This entire thread has gone off in varying directions, and predictably so.

Let me ask a followup question for the few Protestants still on board:

Must I believe exactly as you believe to be saved?

I am sorry Bonarges! I realised my blunder now,

Pitcharan

 

[shaky]

Hi bonarges

Well you are saved through grace not of works because of Christ and the cross=blood
Paul only baptised 2 people after that he did not bother he said i have not come to baptise
I preach the cross. There are plenty of scriptures to prove this.

Now you have a brand new life like a brand new car you have to maintain that salvation
Through your works and you are rewarded according to you works you can be least in the Kingdom of God or the Greatest or in between. bad works get burnt up you will be saved but only as if past through fire.
You repent get baptised and take holy communion if not there is something wrong with your faith.
You read the bible if you sin ask God to forgive you. say the lords prayer ask God to renew
your mind, your heart and your will. To help you obey his word.

You start of as a baby christian and you Grow until you are sanctified. if you err and fall
God will chastise you he has done that to me a few times with sickness i had cancer 12 years ago and lost allot because of it. you preserve to the End.

There are so many cults out there its a Joke what they believe. Then you have the problem of all these different Denominations and powerful delusions Going On
some say Signs are for today some say they are not. Then you have Calvinist, Oneness Apostolic pentecostal medalist view denying the trinity JW+ Mormons denying Jesus is God
control freaks all over the place trying to convince you are lost you been baptised wrong
It should be in Jesus name . Each claiming thy are the only true church
I can’t find the right church because i have come out of a few cults with there problems they give at the moment I am Just a christian on my own.
I am off work at the moment with medical problems from 2 operations i am left with a hernia, adhesions, trapped nerve endings and the past 6 months solid 24/7 am studying to find the right church.
So i have been studying the history of the catholic church.

The Church seems to say they Come come From PETER who is the Rock to build the church on and history does Go back to peter.

Mathew 16: 15-18 Jesus says who am I. peter says the Christ. Jesus says and you are peter. And on this ROCK i will build my church.
When you look at this scripture there is 2 ways to see it which is the right one:shrug:

JESUS CHRIST Evidence
I Corinthians 10:4 The Rock was Christ. matt 7:24. Jesus the rock.
1cor 3:11 No other foundation. 1peter 2;8 the rock of offence Jesus
Duet 32:3. 2 sam 22:2-3 Psalm 18:31 Isiah 44:8 the rock
Romans 9:33. The STONE+ ROCK .

Peter because of his lack of faith.
Matthew 14:29-30 peter was sinking. Luke 22:57-58 peter denied Christ.
Galatians 2:11-16 peter was condemned by Paul.

What is The Evidence that PETER was to be the ONE???
Can any body answer this One??
God bless Ronnie

No need to answer this One I have done some studying my self. The name PETER means
Rock. Petros Petra Plus Peter has been Given The Keys Also i found out the Apostle JOHN was Involved. I think Christ is the Main ROCK and foundation and Peter is the first stone laid I think i will be going to church soon.

 

[LittleSoldier]

I am sorry Bonarges! I realised my blunder now,

Pitcharan

You made no blunder. You can respond to any post that anyone makes.

God bless!!