How Do You Understand Church Teaching About Our Blessed Mother?

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pianistclare said:
Listen.
Please.
We get it.
We got the memo.
You don’t need to keep hitting everyone over the head with Pope Leo.
You have the document.
You like it.
**You’re not trying to learn. **
You’re trying to teach.
But you are unwilling to listen.
Mary listened.
Why can’t you?

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Are you sure this isn’t harsh? I have been reading the thread, am on page 3 and I still can’t understand the attack on d OP.
 
James248 said:
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why Father says patricius has crossed the line.

There are some like me, who go to the Masses celebrating Mary as a sign of obedience. And as far as I can tell, obedience is the best sacrifice.
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So you celebrate mary as a sign of obedience but not love?..
I don’t get the point you are making here.
 
pianistclare said:
Not only is it a wrong interpretation of what the Church says about Our Mother, but it also
NOT WHAT SHE DESIRES.

Who loves their mother that is also clearly disobedient to the Father?

It’s useless. The comeback will be flowery language and false “thanks to my sister” nonsense. Passive aggressive. Misleading, and really sad. The fact that someone believes that they are “teaching” a retired Seminary Prof and theologian is appalling.

I really don’t care what they think of me, personally, and my education, but to attack the clergy so personally? It’s beyond what I can wrap my head around this early morning.

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I can’t find any personal attack on the clergy on this thread? It seems you guys accumulated baggage on another thread and brought it here.

In the things of God I have no doubt that even a prof can be taught even by the dumbest, no one has a monopoly on knowledge.
 
Oneofthewomen said:
:mad::banghead::banghead::banghead:

This is WRONG!
You are doing a great disservice to all who come here seeking truth.
The Church, does not and has not EVER taught what you imply here.
I can be saved and never have a “personal relationship” (whatever that means) with Mary.

You need to stop spreading misinformation and make an appointment to talk to a priest. You have a very flawed view of the role of the Blessed Mother and you are NOT honoring her at all.
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What then is the right view?
 
Oneofthewomen said:
“It seems to me…”
“I think…”
“The way I understand it…”

This is your problem. You are not willing or able to take the fraternal correction that has proven time and time again that what you are saying, that a special & specific devotion to Mary is necessary for Salvation is, in fact WRONG!

I will no longer indulge you or your delusions. I can only hope and pray that you do not lead anyone else astray with your nonsense.

I will pray that you see the errors of your ways and come to respect and honor the Blessed Mother in light of true Church teaching.
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Did the OP say a special and specific devotion to mary is necessary for salvation or are we assuming this?
 
Don_Ruggero said:
Your perspective seems to be that of regurgitating quotes while lacking any theological synthesis or the cohesive context of any theological vision or paradigm.

One can do the same thing with the Sacred Scripture and weave together an elaborate tapestry…that is nothing but the heresy of Gnosticism…or Arianism…or Adoptionism…or Nestorianism…or Modalism, for that matter. And one can arrive to each of those destinations with relative ease…as any theologian can tell you.

The fundamental response here is that the Mary can be loved that is disordered, improper and that is not in according with the Church’s mind or with God’s will. That’s the problem of simply regurgitating a quote, when you have not internalised the theology needed to put the quote into its proper context.
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Father, you have beaten the OP all through with the stick of correction, please give him milk of true doctrine.
 
pianistclare said:
I can’t believe this thread is still up and open.
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IMO as long as readers grasp that an anonymous comment made on the internet does not make something the teaching of the Catholic Church, there shouldn’t be anything to fear from this thread.
 
Magdalena59 said:
And this is from Pope Leo III
"You know well the intimate and wonderful relations existing between Mary and the Holy Spirit, so that she is justly called His Spouse.”
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I didn’t find that reference. Is it possible you meant another pope?

Re: Mary spouse of the HS,

here’s 1 reference

Leo XIII, Divinum Illud Munus May 9, 1897
“You know well the intimate and wonderful relations existing between her and the Holy Ghost, so that she is justly called His Spouse.”

I can’t get over some of the anger I’m seeing on this thread
 
steve_b said:
I can’t get over some of the anger I’m seeing on this thread
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I think the thread began on another thread(if that even makes sense). Many of the posters already knew themselves from another thread so ended up condemning what was said on the other thread even before this one began. Very few times on CA have I seen even good points shot down with such force. I never knew there was a catholic rebutal for comments like “salvation is from God the Father, Mediated through the Lord Jesus Christ. in the Holy Spirit (Mary’s Spouse)”
A catholic rebutted the words in quote by implying that Joseph is mary’s spouse not the spirit and no one raised and eyebrow or clarified that it is permitted for catholics to speak of Mary and Holy spirit using the term, it didn’t matter since everyone was more interested in the OP “big errors”.

It seemed like many people were unhappy with a previous thread and decided to make the corrections on this one.
 
Ubenedictus said:
I think the thread began on another thread(if that even makes sense). Many of the posters already knew themselves from another thread so ended up condemning what was said on the other thread even before this one began. Very few times on CA have I seen even good points shot down with such force. I never knew there was a catholic rebutal for comments like “salvation is from God the Father, Mediated through the Lord Jesus Christ. in the Holy Spirit (Mary’s Spouse)”
A catholic rebutted the words in quote by implying that Joseph is mary’s spouse not the spirit and no one raised and eyebrow or clarified that it is permitted for catholics to speak of Mary and Holy spirit using the term, it didn’t matter since everyone was more interested in the OP “big errors”.

It seemed like many people were unhappy with a previous thread and decided to make the corrections on this one.
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More like five threads, now removed by mods. This one is mild by comparison.
 
steve_b said:
I didn’t find that reference. Is it possible you meant another pope?

Re: Mary spouse of the HS,

here’s 1 reference

Leo XIII, Divinum Illud Munus May 9, 1897
“You know well the intimate and wonderful relations existing between her and the Holy Ghost, so that she is justly called His Spouse.”

I can’t get over some of the anger I’m seeing on this thread
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I thought these threads and the personal attacks on the OP and the Blessed Mother were very sad to see.

Typographical error when I first posted it as Pope Leo III instead of Pope Leo XIII.
Magdalena59 said:
Don Ruggero

I am very sorry. That was a typographical error. I meant to put Pope Leo XIII, not Pope Leo III.

You will find it in Divinum Illud Munus
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII ON THE HOLY SPIRIT
MAY 9, 1897

“she is justly called His Spouse”

Thank you.
Have a good day.
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