How Do You Understand Church Teaching About Our Blessed Mother?

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Remarkable, isn’t it?

I have every certainty he will continue to do the same tactic.

As Tomyris has pointed out, it is understood by those with intelligence, that this man is is presenting a warped, distorted, and even perverse caricature of the Church’s teachings about the Mother of Jesus.
 
Roseeurekacross said:
Pat

Go to post #2 on this thread.

Click on the pdf link

Download and read through the list.

Its the kind of thing Blessed Mother Mary wants us to concentrate on.
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Dear Roseeurekacross,

Thanks for the list of Church dogmas. Of course, we’re obliged to accept more than dogmas, right? I mean, don’t we have to accept doctrines as well?

For example, the Assumption was binding on the faithful long before it was defined in 1950 (is that the right date?), right?

And I believe the Commandments say to love God and love our neighnbor.

As I understand it, we will be judged on our love, as the Catechism says.

Wouldn’t that especially include both love of God and love of the Mother of God?

Peace of Jesus Christ,

Pat
 
pianistclare said:
At this point, OP, you are guilty of harassment.
Father has addressed you and your many errors numerous times.

Reported.
As I am sure many other have already.
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For the sake of further clarity and elucidation, as I would have done in the lecture hall…

I would underline that this sort of mindless citing of quotes from historical documents…exaltationism in expressions employed…hyperemotionalism…and proselytisation…often mark in varying degrees and varying combinations those who are followers of purported private revelations/visions/locutions that have been condemned by Ecclesiastical authority[ies].

Such people reject the actual teaching and authority of the Church and its hierarchy – often under the guise that they are the ones who are “more faithful” or have some hidden, forgotten, or otherwise esoteric knowledge to which other poor people have not the benefit. In these instances, they favour their own judgments and interpretations rather than the wisdom of the Church and her hierarchy and those in the service of the hierarchy…the theological community.

Such mindsets, it should go without saying, always represent a great danger. It is, at best, one step removed from fanaticism.

I hope those who are non-Catholic and reading this can understand that…and be understanding of people who have that very sad pathology. It is a tragic thing to encounter, actually.
 
Don_Ruggero said:
:yup:

Remarkable, isn’t it?

I have every certainty he will continue to do the same tactic.

As Tomyris has pointed out, it is understood by those with intelligence, that this man is is presenting a warped, distorted, and even perverse caricature of the Church’s teachings about the Mother of Jesus.
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Let me reiterate for the lurkers that this is correct. It is easy for a Protestant to read this and think he is accurately protraying Catholic belief, what with quote-mining from saints, popes, the Catechism, Lumen Gentium, etc. He is of course only a humble uneducated Catholic:rolleyes:: such would not quote-mine. I wonder if he is getting these quotes from somewhere.

On the premise that, gosh, gee, he just did not know how to repent when confronted, I gave him the baby steps. Apologize. Stop. Go get help. My gift, again, was ignored. Others have given him steps 2 and 3. His version of an apology is: “Gee, I am so sorry we don’t agree. Here is a quote to show why I am right: [etc]. Now defend your position.” Contrition? No. Humility? No.

I will also reiterate my earlier advice, and add a thought. Do not feed the troll. Also, I am going to get out of the way and be silent here, and I would suggest most of us do so. Don Ruggero knows what he is about and my helpful suggestions might help him avoid what he should otherwise hear. Sometimes ya gotta clean out the stable when you are tending sheep. He is trained and experienced in it.

CAF is read by people who do not have the best interests of the Catholic Church in mind. This poster has given some a wonderful fund of ammo to show that the Catholic church believes as they have thought. This poster can be presented as a Catholic and quoted to show how Catholics believe. I suspect screen shots have already been made of some of his work and are zipping around some corners of the internet. There could be damage for years to come from what he has done here regarding ecumenical relations.

So he needs to be stopped for a number of reasons.
 
This is beautifully written. Thank you!

Now will the moderators please close this thread?! Please?!
 
I have to admit to arriving to a certain level of fascination simply because the original poster has taken this to the level of farce.

Since you live in London, I am sure you can imagine the old comedy from the BBC that I have in mind…unless you are perhaps too young to remember.
 
:yup:

You guessed correctly. I actually have the vivid memory, in the moment, of a farce that involved a dead parrot.

Surreal is a lucid word to use for this astonishing realm.
 
Don_Ruggero said:
:yup:

You guessed correctly. I actually have the vivid memory, in the moment, of a farce that involved a dead parrot.

Surreal is a lucid word to use for this astonishing realm.
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And now for something completely different:

Monty Python Dead Parrot Sketch

In the interests of future generations of dead-parrot-ologists who may mine these threads for quotes about dead parrots, I have tagged this thread with a ‘dead parrot’ tag.
 
Tomyris said:
And now for something completely different:

Monty Python Dead Parrot Sketch

In the interests of future generations of dead-parrot-ologists who may mine these threads for quotes about dead parrots, I have tagged this thread with a ‘dead parrot’ tag.
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That poor dead horse back in post 151, obviously beaten to its death and beyond, is now no longer alone but has the company of the poor dead parrot. At least, the poor dead parrot is not in such a state of advanced decomposition as the poor dead horse.
 
Hi (name removed by moderator),

I came in late to this thread … I’ve read a handful of posts from yourself, Tomyris and Fr. Ruggero, but not all your other posts much less all the dozens of posts on this thread from others. So I make no pretense to know what the posts you’re talking about were like. But I know what you mean by,

Well,I guess technically I’m just assuming that by retreat you mean ignore rather than respond.

The only problem with that is that there are tons of readers who see something – even an anonymous post on a discussion forum – and jump to conclusions about the Catholic Church. I fear that until that mentality changes things won’t get better.
 
Peter_J said:
Hi (name removed by moderator),

I came in late to this thread … I’ve read a handful of posts from yourself, Tomyris and Fr. Ruggero, but not all your other posts much less all the dozens of posts on this thread from others. So I make no pretense to know what the posts you’re talking about were like. But I know what you mean by,

Well,I guess technically I’m just assuming that by retreat you mean ignore rather than respond.

The only problem with that is that there are tons of readers who see something – even an anonymous post on a discussion forum – and jump to conclusions about the Catholic Church. I fear that until that mentality changes things won’t get better.
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Exactly. This thread has been reported numerous times and nothing is done about it. Sadly, CAF is no longer what it used to be. The thread tags, however, couldn’t be more spot on
 
Peter_J said:
Hi (name removed by moderator),

I came in late to this thread … I’ve read a handful of posts from yourself, Tomyris and Fr. Ruggero, but not all your other posts much less all the dozens of posts on this thread from others. So I make no pretense to know what the posts you’re talking about were like. But I know what you mean by,

Well,I guess technically I’m just assuming that by retreat you mean ignore rather than respond.

The only problem with that is that there are tons of readers who see something – even an anonymous post on a discussion forum – and jump to conclusions about the Catholic Church. I fear that until that mentality changes things won’t get better.
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Yes. Well said.
 
This just goes to show that if the discussion turns to dead parrots, that pretty much kills the thread. .
 
JM3 said:
Patrick, you should read this.
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This is amazing to me. I involved myself in this thread as a non catholic to have a discussion on my confusions about Mary in the spirit of charity by coming together to reason and I find mostly confusions and un charitable bickerings amongst Catholics on their own conceptions of Marian adoration! Strange. And this merely furthers my confusions regarding her. This thread has certainly caused this soul to stumble.
 
setarcos said:
This is amazing to me. I involved myself in this thread as a non catholic to have a discussion on my confusions about Mary in the spirit of charity by coming together to reason and I find mostly confusions and un charitable bickerings amongst Catholics on their own conceptions of Marian adoration! Strange. And this merely furthers my confusions regarding her. This thread has certainly caused this soul to stumble.
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I’m afraid the invention of the internet was a mixed blessing, for a great many people.

But if I may say, I think the Catholic Answers Forum generally has a lot of good on it. (For some reason, which I’ll refrain from speculating on, we’ve seen an unusually large number of bizarre postings in recent times. Or so it seems based on my experience on the forum.)
 
setarcos said:
This is amazing to me. I involved myself in this thread as a non catholic to have a discussion on my confusions about Mary in the spirit of charity by coming together to reason and I find mostly confusions and un charitable bickerings amongst Catholics on their own conceptions of Marian adoration! Strange. And this merely furthers my confusions regarding her. This thread has certainly caused this soul to stumble.
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Yeah.

Maybe we should move past the “difficulties” and talk about how we understand church teaching on this subject. This thread has hundreds of posts to go to hit the 1000 mark. Maybe we can make the thread what it should be instead of what it has been.
 
Tomyris said:
Yeah.

Maybe we should move past the “difficulties” and talk about how we understand church teaching on this subject. This thread has hundreds of posts to go to hit the 1000 mark. Maybe we can make the thread what it should be instead of what it has been.
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I’m curious why you favor this particular thread.
 
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