How does cohabitation hurt the chances of a lasting marriage?

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Perhaps the Hebrew side of the law will shed more light on this ethnic bias:
Deute 21:11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;
Deute 21:12 Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;
Deute 21:13 And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month
: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.
Deute 21:14 And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, tho
u shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her.
The Mosaic law was far more generous than that of the Pagans around them.
 
This may or may not reflect the reality of the relationship, though. Room mates of the opposite sex can be considered “married” common-law, under certain circumstances. I think it would be really awkward, if you had an opposite sex room mate, and something happened to him, and all of his estate went to you automatically. It would take quite a bit of red tape to get it to the rightful heirs, especially if you were not inclined to give it up.
I believe Liberace had an issue with that with his life-in male partner. Similarly I do recall a two Hollywood types who battled this out a few years ago…

But for the same reasons that co-habitation is becoming more common I think common law marriage is becoming less common.

From Wikipedia:
Common-law marriage can still be contracted in 11 states and the District of Columbia, can no longer be contracted in 26 states, and was never permitted in 13 states. The requirements for a common-law marriage to be validly contracted differ from state to state. Nevertheless, all states — including those that have abolished the contract of common-law marriage within their boundaries — recognize common-law marriages lawfully contracted in those jurisdictions that still permit it.
There is no such thing as “common-law divorce” — that is, you can’t get out of a common-law marriage as easily as you can get into one. Only the contract of the marriage is irregular; everything else about the marriage is perfectly regular. People who marry per the old common law tradition must petition the appropriate court in their state for a dissolution of marriage.
Interestingly common-law marriage does not simply trap people into marriage on the technicality they lived together… And even today were it still widely recognized most co-habitators would likely not be at like persons who used to contract marriage in this fashion - a little more wikipedia for the history (emphasis mine).
During medieval times in Europe, under canon law, a marriage could be ***contracted by a man and a woman saying they took one another as wife and husband, ***even in absence of any witnesses, an effective common-law marriage; this lasted until the Council of Trent (convened 1545–1563). Thereafter, a marriage was only legal in Roman Catholic countries if it was witnessed by a priest of the Roman Catholic Church or, if obtaining a priest were impractical, by other witnesses. This was not accepted in the newly Protestant nations of Europe; nor by Protestants who lived in Roman Catholic countries or their colonies in the Americas or elsewhere; nor by Eastern Orthodox Christians.
Nevertheless, all Protestant and Eastern Orthodox countries in Europe eventually abolished “marriage by habit and repute”, with Scotland being the last to do so, in 2006. Scotland had long been the sole exception in Europe.
Cohabitators would largely fail the “Present ourselves as husband and wife” aspect.
 
Excellent!

However, I live in Oregon, and I believe that after a mere three years the state automatically taxes the couple as married. Consent is considered implied by the mere fact of co-habitation. Oregon is the leader in liberal trends … except where the catholic church is concerned…

Of course Oregon is NOT a common property state, so the status of “union” has nothing more than tax implications and insurance/dependent discrimination implications as far as the government is concerned.

Of course the Gay unions will hurt the insurance funding base a little, and they too will increase the tax base in Oregon. Follow the money!

( I am predicting, not that I know this will happen – but I bet it will… )
 
Excellent!

However, I live in Oregon, and I believe that after a mere three years the state automatically taxes the couple as married. Consent is considered implied by the mere fact of co-habitation. Oregon is the leader in liberal trends … except where the catholic church is concerned…

Of course Oregon is NOT a common property state, so the status of “union” has nothing more than tax implications and insurance/dependent discrimination implications as far as the government is concerned.

Of course the Gay unions will hurt the insurance funding base a little, and they too will increase the tax base in Oregon. Follow the money!

( I am predicting, not that I know this will happen – but I bet it will… )
That is interesting… I would be curious to see how the common law marriage situation in that state has changed (if it has changed) at all from when it was first instituted… (Most laws having been enacted in days before co-habitation was common as a vestigal remnant of pre-Tridentine praxis in marriage that Protestants largely had held unto longer.) It used to be an aspect of “common law” that a couple had to present themselves as married…

I hope I did not cause this topic to veer off to much with posting that… but I wanted to point out that people who point to common-law marriage as being a holdover from a “pre-victorian” time when co-habitation was more common essentially don’t get that it really wasn’t. It was really a leftover from what was normanative for an era that lasted centuries on how people got married.
 
There is the issue of scandal.

I had a homeless guy living with me when I was single. (I was not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree in those days; I’m quite sure my guardian angel was working overtime.)

He had a separate bedroom, and we rarely crossed paths, so I thought everything was just fine.

One day, he had a medical emergency, and I took him to the hospital. When they wrote down his particulars, he was listed as my “common law husband.” :eek:

After he got well, I told him he needed to find a different place to stay. At first, he was very upset, but then I told him what they had written down on the hospital admissions form, and he realized that yeah, this is a problem. He moved out about a week later, and I heard from him a few times after that, but quite honestly, I can’t even remember his last name, any more.

As to the effect he had on my life, I still cook my spaghetti the way he showed me, and whenever I cross a certain bridge, the conversation we had there comes back into my mind. These are the footprints that he left permanently on my soul, even though we never “did anything.”
I guess I just don’t get this. To me, if people want to start rumors or think the worst of me when they don’t know the situation, that’s their problem, not mine. If I know I’m innocent and God knows, that’s really all I care about. Doing a good deed shouldn’t depend on what the neighbors think, IMO.
 
I guess I just don’t get this. To me, if people want to start rumors or think the worst of me when they don’t know the situation, that’s their problem, not mine. If I know I’m innocent and God knows, that’s really all I care about. Doing a good deed shouldn’t depend on what the neighbors think, IMO.
This wasn’t “the neighbors” - I wasn’t worried about them. This was my government.

Looking back, I’ve realized that the reason they did that was so that I could have visiting rights at the hospital, but at the time I wasn’t thinking of that (I don’t think I realized at the time that non-relatives don’t have visiting rights); all I was thinking was that I didn’t want to be considered to be married to that guy (I was still pretty young and wanting to date) and I knew he didn’t want to be considered married to me.
 
This wasn’t “the neighbors” - I wasn’t worried about them. This was my government.

Looking back, I’ve realized that the reason they did that was so that I could have visiting rights at the hospital, but at the time I wasn’t thinking of that (I don’t think I realized at the time that non-relatives don’t have visiting rights); all I was thinking was that I didn’t want to be considered to be married to that guy (I was still pretty young and wanting to date) and I knew he didn’t want to be considered married to me.
Since you asked him to move out and he did so tells me two things. 1.) Your help was efficacious as he was able to and 2.) that he wasn’t just selfishly using you. (I am assuming you didn’t turn him back out on the street and that he didn’t make a stink about leaving or that there was any thought of romantic involvement form either of you).

I would ask though, how good of friends you became and if you have kept in touch as such.

You sound like a real life angel to have done such a good deed and who you were accepting may well of been an image of Jesus who also had nowhere to lay his head. The world needs more folks like you. 🙂

Peace and God bless you.
 
Since you asked him to move out and he did so tells me two things. 1.) Your help was efficacious as he was able to and 2.) that he wasn’t just selfishly using you. (I am assuming you didn’t turn him back out on the street and that he didn’t make a stink about leaving or that there was any thought of romantic involvement form either of you).
True; he had gotten a job in construction while he was staying with me (having a mailing address really makes a difference with getting a job - it’s amazing how much difference that makes), and one of the guys he was working with offered to have him in as a room mate. That lasted about three months, and then he got his own place, and after that, he was able to get visiting rights with his son.
I would ask though, how good of friends you became and if you have kept in touch as such.
We kept in touch for a while, but we never really had all that much in common. I met his son once after he got a place of his own (after moving out from his work friend’s place) and I remember one time we took his son and a couple of other kids to the zoo and had a good time.
You sound like a real life angel to have done such a good deed and who you were accepting may well of been an image of Jesus who also had nowhere to lay his head. The world needs more folks like you. 🙂
That’s really nice of you to say. 🙂 Most people thought I was completely crazy, and it’s true that I was too inexperienced and naive to realize what a dangerous situation it could have been. As I mentioned before, I think my guardian angel was really working overtime.
Peace and God bless you.
Thank you, you too.
 
I just came across this relevant paragraph in the Catechism (CCC 2391):
Some today claim a “right to a trial marriage” where there is an intention of getting married later. However firm the purpose of those who engage in premature sexual relations may be, “the fact is that such liaisons can scarcely ensure mutual sincerity and fidelity in a relationship between a man and a woman, nor, especially, can they protect it from inconstancy of desires or whim.” Carnal union is morally legitimate only when a definitive community of life between a man and woman has been established. Human love does not tolerate “trial marriages.” It demands a total and definitive gift of persons to one another.
 
That is interesting… I would be curious to see how the common law marriage situation in that state has changed (if it has changed) at all from when it was first instituted… (Most laws having been enacted in days before co-habitation was common as a vestigal remnant of pre-Tridentine praxis in marriage that Protestants largely had held unto longer.) It used to be an aspect of “common law” that a couple had to present themselves as married…
You know, my memory is playing tricks on me.
From what I was told, the law was enacted relatively recently – last 60 years or so, but it is not called “common law” marriage, because the state grants none of the rights of marriage to these couples – only the penalties.

Right now, the “domestic partnerships” word is so blitzed by the legislation just passed in Oregon that I am having a hard time locating the correct terminology for the older law through Google searches.

As I married in the catholic church, with full ceremony, I am not an expert on this part of the law in Oregon.

And yes, although common law marriages do not require public ceremony – they do require the people to publicly profess that they are married when questioned on the fact, and to accord each other the rights of marriage as proof that they had this intention in the past. So co-habiters would not be “married” in Oregon but there was a legal reason that co-habiting for more than a certain number of years could cause financial penalties (I thought it was tax based) if caught, I will have to look for it and PM you if I locate it – as it is a (minor) pitfall to cohabitation for extended periods – and may be a reason to “break” up more often… 😉
 
I just came across this relevant paragraph in the Catechism (CCC 2391):
Thanks Joe. I am aware of that paragraph. It does however attribute fornication to what it is suggesting which didn’t exactly help what I was asking.

I have had several epiphanies since starting this thread though and have come up with some tangible reasons (in addition to some already given) why co-habitation can be detrimental. Mostly surrounding freedom and order and as the CCC says to, true self giving and being able to make a truly free and sincere commitment.

Peace.
 
Joab,

Along the lines of jmcrae, I have had some friends who entered the same situation.
For example, a middle aged / older lady who was a protestant went through a rather nasty divorce, and broke down emotionally over it. She was often going to the local mental health clinic for days at a time because shaking fits caused by any excitement at all – good or bad – would totally debilitate her for days or even weeks at a time. She could not hold a job down.

I am not sure of exactly how it happened, but she hooked up with two other men from the same mental health clinic – and they rented a house together. Where I live is not major metropolitan area, and there is only one option for people like her now – which wasn’t available then.

Now, similar to JMCrae, nothing seriously bad happened between her and her room-mates – at least she never admitted it. Now, I was unable to give her space where I lived, and even inviting her over for lunch – being a good thing – could actaully send her into the clinic for more medication. Mercy and friendship itself were too much for her. I tend to think abuse cycles affect some people this way.

Now, even though my wife and I had love for her as Christians – we really couldn’t help her. And yet the situation she was in led to complaints – she really was not emotional about it, because she couldn’t be, but these other co-habitors would choose to do certain activities which were their right – such as invite certain family or friends over, etc. and even these situations were bad.

A co-habitor, just like a room-mate, is free to do as they choose. For her, one of the great difficulties was coming to mass – it was difficult to get there, she was afraid everone would judge her because of her situation, and her own family being protestant and estranged would not support her in any way at all. And her co-habitors were of the necessity type – they didn’t help her either.

The largest embarassment to her was simply not being able to live in a different situation. Now she is in a single apartment which although not a great place, is at least private and the city finally subsidizes a single apartment complex for this purpose. It has made a very big difference in her life – she now has an actual boyfriend (friend not lover) and some of her emotional issues are settling down
and healing.

Throught this thread, though, I have yet to hear you give the reason (if there is one) why two people – whether the like each other or not – would cohabit out of choice and not necessity – yet refuse to get married. Best friends of the opposite sex, if they are truly “BEST” friends and not merely friends, or companions of need – I would think they have good reason to marry. The totality of friendship, is self giving – and marriage is the totality of this gift including children.
 
Throught this thread, though, I have yet to hear you give the reason (if there is one) why two people – whether the like each other or not – would cohabit out of choice and not necessity – yet refuse to get married. Best friends of the opposite sex, if they are truly “BEST” friends and not merely friends, or companions of need – I would think they have good reason to marry. The totality of friendship, is self giving – and marriage is the totality of this gift including children.
As I am sure your aware, every situation is unique. I feel its best to remain alone after a failed relationship to heal and I see that supported greatly indeed by scripture and the Church herself. This is not always easy for an individual as you have pointed out. Not only for financial reasons, reasons of distance, obedience to the Church but also for some of the emotional you have mentioned. In a disordered relationship we get used to our sins and thus trapped in them. Jesus offers us the way to be free but even knowing those reasons don’t always in and of themselves make it easy.

This passage from the Imitation [1-25] illustrates that well:
A fervent and diligent man is ready for all things. It is greater work to resist vices and passions than to sweat in physical toil. He who does not overcome small faults, shall fall little by little into greater ones.
I appreciate you fishing for details, however its unnecessary to go into those details for my purposes and only prudent to keep this line of questioning dispassionate and impersonal as I don’t seek spiritual advice here but only to explore the plausibility of potential pitfalls. Advice comes from spiritual and professional direction for me and not from the internet which I am sure you would agree is as even more impersonal than my line of questioning.

That being said; however its often found even with the proper resources there are still unanswered questions and why I turn to these threads for further exploration. Not advice per se’ but edification.

I will say though that in the situation to which I am relating to, fornication is abhorred for the sin that it is within Love for the Lord and the emotional well being of the party’s involved and procreation isn’t possible due to physical inabilities. Yet Love is strong and the commitment to betrothal is as well as is a great confidence in compatibility. Yet the world tries to pervade and weaken that commitment in various ways. As well as the weakness of the flesh itself to want to be together and not wait out the prescribed protocols to codify a committed union in the normal order of how its done.

Perhaps this may help to understand how tangible reasoning of why its best to wait (aside from obedience to Church rule and other predominant reasons) is helpful in light of a the strong pull of Love to jump the gun and to be together outside of that rule for many reasons already expressed in this thread. This thread has helped me to understand the extraordinary circumstances that may lead to co-habitation but more so has helped me to see the practical reasons why doing so most likely can be deceptive in the pursuit and security of a lifelong committed and happy relationship that should be built devoid of illusion and pretense. Its noteworthy to say though that this does not negate the pull of said Love to be together but on the other hand actually strengthens the commitment to build that foundation that is germane to the question of the OP.

You see, for me, it comes right down to the pull of the flesh versus obedience to the Church. I understand obedience to the Church is self-preserving but not so sure why. I trust in a blind obedience but prefer an enlightened reasoning for this trust by understanding the dynamics of why co-habitation is discouraged in the first place in what otherwise feels like an already perfect relationship. I think I have many of those answers already.

Thank you and,

Peace be with you and may God bless you and yours for being most helpful.
 
This wasn’t “the neighbors” - I wasn’t worried about them. This was my government.

Looking back, I’ve realized that the reason they did that was so that I could have visiting rights at the hospital, but at the time I wasn’t thinking of that (I don’t think I realized at the time that non-relatives don’t have visiting rights); all I was thinking was that I didn’t want to be considered to be married to that guy (I was still pretty young and wanting to date) and I knew he didn’t want to be considered married to me.
Thank you for clarifying. I was confused how you could do such a good deed and still be worried about gossip - but that explains it. And I didn’t notice you were from Canada - sorry. Taking the man in was a very brave thing to do, an example of walking the walk as it were. I wish we were all as courageous as you have been.
 
Joab,

Yes, I am quite aware of the uniqeness of individual situations – and have been repetitively surprised in real life at the twists individuals go through due to circumstances, deception, and the providence of God.

I need probe no further than the previous answers which I have now, to give what useful insight I have left.

Remebering back to post #17, and the situation described there in conjunction with the last post to me; I have some thoughts which may be use:

I know I already mentioned the difference between the most crude marriage rite outside of the church (ancient seduction which today would be called date rape.) and the other extreme of sacramental marriage with the blessing and joining of Christ which is only granted to those obeying the church law: however, I don’t think I made the point strongly enough with regard to God’s intention.

Adam and Eve had a marriage of lust and domination, and even though married they had to “cover themselves”. This is a mark of the fall which attacks marriage from within – the Graces granted by Jesus to those who struggle are given conditionally and incrementally. It isn’t blind to see by faith, because it may only be faith which grants certain of these incremental graces – not sight.

Marriage in general – marriages, whether initiated with date rape, arranged marriages, or final and complete marriage in a sacramental form – are subject to virtue and vice in degrees. The more free the marriage, (not as in loose, but as in chosen without coercian) the closer they come to perfection which Jesus intended from the beginning – mirroring God who did not create us out of lack, nor because of the “necessity” of love, but of a free choice. (Sounds almost autistic, but God is love – and we are not a necessary emanation of that love…)

Even Judah who because of sexual desire ( lust? ) with his daughter in law actually “marries” her and produces the messianic tribe of Judah fulfills the minimal marriage rite of his time – and to his shame. But none the less, he never had realations with her after that, it was clearly a damaged marriage.

Did his daughter in law take advantage of him in a weak moment – of course, he had just lost his wife and was weak in the flesh. But sometimes the weakness of hurt of another becomes the very attraction which brings the dating person to you – and this degrades (not obliterates) freedom. They are attracted to a hurt which if it evaporates – so does the attraction.

After my first girlfriend (not co-habitator) who left me (not I her) a period of two years elapsed where I thought I was wisely waiting by refusing to date anyone again seriously – in fulfillment of the advice of some MD’s at the time. But emotionally, during and even after those two years — a weakness remained in me. An intense lonliness, if you will – A feeling which a fulfilled God could not exactly have when he chose to create the world, but one which I wonder if there is some kind of corolary to.

It turns out that the lonliness never healed, because it wasn’t only a facet of loosing my girlfriend – it is because I am touch oriented in affection. The years I was alone and with my first room mate – Jason, were extremely trying and lonely. My second room-mate, who is my best (male) friend still – was the kind to wrestle, pop you in the back and run laughing, etc. But even then I didn’t recognize how intensely I craved affection (male “bonding” even) – until I had no room mate at all. Marrital Love, I believe in faith, goes even deeper than this.

The craving of the attention of the other can be met in multiple ways, but once in a cohabiting situation – especially if there is no risk of children, but where the sexual ability exists, would – I expect – prove especially challenging.

– The emotions themselves can cause depression, so that the choice made to “stay” with a person may be less free after the co-habitation starts, and staying may cause depression because you can’t share fully. (The same source of depression found in long term dating couples who are too close. Some people can, some cannot do this.)

– Human beings will often re-interpret cause and effect of why they themselves did something in terms of order of events, and not the real cause. In some of the responses, I think you can see that after co-habiting there may always be the temptation to say after marriage : “Well the only reason I REALLY married X was because X was there and I was weak” or even “I married X because we cohabited.” etc. It doesn’t matter that one has made a commitment in thier mind at this point, the actions that one does – will be recoginzed in the future as part of that cause – very few people really “know themselves” entirely, and how much less what was really in the “other” co-habitor’s mind.

– To your comment about the outside world Judging – certainly, I am well aware especially in American culture of the self made man:: “I don’t care what the others think”. We are, however, still meant to be social beings – the very meaning of marriage. But are both co-habitors truly (not theoretically) able to maintain the same unity together without grace against the world? Men and women are in fact different in the way they approach and are affected by the world – although equal, not identical.

– Words don’t break bones, but they do hurt – and to be cliche, “a continual dripping of water wears away the stone”. Also, the bigger problem is that little hurts from outside become extra ammunition when discord happens – and it will. In fights, it appears that the one who wants the union less has the most power. And what better temptation to this argument than the superficial/theoretical independence of co-habitiation? By being physically close, one risks stepping on each other’s feet and causing distress before either has the full means to protect each other from outside temptation in that situation.

Two male room mates have nothing psychologically to loose when seperating – no one every expected them to marry and have kids. The same is true, with the additional impossibility of a real “divorce” between brothers and sisters – although they can certainly “diown” each other. But to triumph where it does not matter, is to prepare for where it does – to “prepare” on the important ground is to risk damaging it.

Cars may drive the same before and after the test drive, they are interchangable and exchangable – humans are not. The marriage itself means something to the couple which changes the dynamic of the relationship – a contract for a car does not change anything about the car, but it will affect how the dealer treats you.

peace.
 
Joab,

Yes, I am quite aware of the uniqueness of individual situations – and have been repetitively surprised in real life at the twists individuals go through due to circumstances, deception, and the providence of God.

I need probe no further than the previous answers which I have now, to give what useful insight I have left.

Remembering back to post #17, and the situation described there in conjunction with the last post to me; I have some thoughts which may be use:

I know I already mentioned the difference between the most crude marriage rite outside of the church (ancient seduction which today would be called date rape.) and the other extreme of sacramental marriage with the blessing and joining of Christ which is only granted to those obeying the church law: however, I don’t think I made the point strongly enough with regard to God’s intention.

Adam and Eve had a marriage of lust and domination, and even though married they had to “cover themselves”. This is a mark of the fall which attacks marriage from within – the Graces granted by Jesus to those who struggle are given conditionally and incrementally. It isn’t blind to see by faith, because it may only be faith which grants certain of these incremental graces – not sight.

Marriage in general – marriages, whether initiated with date rape, arranged marriages, or final and complete marriage in a sacramental form – are subject to virtue and vice in degrees. The more free the marriage, (not as in loose, but as in chosen without coercion) the closer they come to perfection which Jesus intended from the beginning – mirroring God who did not create us out of lack, nor because of the “necessity” of love, but of a free choice. (Sounds almost autistic, but God is love – and we are not a necessary emanation of that love…)

Even Judah who because of sexual desire ( lust? ) with his daughter in law actually “marries” her and produces the messianic tribe of Judah fulfills the minimal marriage rite of his time – and to his shame. But none the less, he never had relations with her after that, it was clearly a damaged marriage.

Did his daughter in law take advantage of him in a weak moment – of course, he had just lost his wife and was weak in the flesh. But sometimes the weakness of hurt of another becomes the very attraction which brings the dating person to you – and this degrades (not obliterates) freedom. They are attracted to a hurt which if it evaporates – so does the attraction.

After my first girlfriend (not co-habitator) who left me (not I her) a period of two years elapsed where I thought I was wisely waiting by refusing to date anyone again seriously – in fulfillment of the advice of some MD’s at the time. But emotionally, during and even after those two years — a weakness remained in me. An intense loneliness, if you will – A feeling which a fulfilled God could not exactly have when he chose to create the world, but one which I wonder if there is some kind of corollary to.

It turns out that the loneliness never healed, because it wasn’t only a facet of loosing my girlfriend – it is because I am touch oriented in affection. The years I was alone and with my first room mate – Jason, were extremely trying and lonely. My second room-mate, who is my best (male) friend still – was the kind to wrestle, pop you in the back and run laughing, etc. But even then I didn’t recognize how intensely I craved affection (male “bonding” even) – until I had no room mate at all. Marital Love, I believe in faith, goes even deeper than this.

The craving of the attention of the other can be met in multiple ways, but once in a cohabiting situation – especially if there is no risk of children, but where the sexual ability exists, would – I expect – prove especially challenging.

– The emotions themselves can cause depression, so that the choice made to “stay” with a person may be less free after the co-habitation starts, and staying may cause depression because you can’t share fully. (The same source of depression found in long term dating couples who are too close. Some people can, some cannot do this.)

– Human beings will often re-interpret cause and effect of why they themselves did something in terms of order of events, and not the real cause. In some of the responses, I think you can see that after co-habiting there may always be the temptation to say after marriage : “Well the only reason I REALLY married X was because X was there and I was weak” or even “I married X because we cohabited.” etc. It doesn’t matter that one has made a commitment in their mind at this point, the actions that one does – will be recognized in the future as part of that cause – very few people really “know themselves” entirely, and how much less what was really in the “other” co-habitor’s mind.

– To your comment about the outside world Judging – certainly, I am well aware especially in American culture of the self made man:: “I don’t care what the others think”. We are, however, still meant to be social beings – the very meaning of marriage. But are both co-habitors truly (not theoretically) able to maintain the same unity together without grace against the world? Men and women are in fact different in the way they approach and are affected by the world – although equal, not identical.

– Words don’t break bones, but they do hurt – and to be cliché, “a continual dripping of water wears away the stone”. Also, the bigger problem is that little hurts from outside become extra ammunition when discord happens – and it will. In fights, it appears that the one who wants the union less has the most power. And what better temptation to this argument than the superficial/theoretical independence of co-habitation? By being physically close, one risks stepping on each other’s feet and causing distress before either has the full means to protect each other from outside temptation in that situation.

Two male room mates have nothing psychologically to loose when separating – no one every expected them to marry and have kids. The same is true, with the additional impossibility of a real “divorce” between brothers and sisters – although they can certainly “disown” each other. But to triumph where it does not matter, is to prepare for where it does – to “prepare” on the important ground is to risk damaging it.

Cars may drive the same before and after the test drive, they are interchangeable and exchangeable – humans are not. The marriage itself means something to the couple which changes the dynamic of the relationship – a contract for a car does not change anything about the car, but it will affect how the dealer treats you.

peace.
Thank you for going to the trouble to make this lengthy post. I appreciate it and most likely will re-read it again.

I must say the predominant pitfall I see to co-habitation at this point is to know for sure one is completely free to make that commitment and to build the proper foundation for that potential union that will carry over into the marriage for the rest of their lives.

In simpler more explicit terms, If I wish to be betrothed to someone and aren’t certain about it then co-habitation will not improve any doubts but in fact may have the effect of loosing the freedom to make or not make that conscientious choice and commitment later on. As well as cause disorder in the building process of a communal life and could lead to other disorders of balance and of proper independence in regard to the pull of loneliness and or prohibit any necessary growth or healing that may be necessary to understand from previous relationships as in the case of the previously married and annulled which could contribute to the statistics of increased risk of subsequent divorce even without the involvement of pre-marital carnal union which I think would only serve to confuse emotionally even further.

Peace and thanks again.
 
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Hmmm … and the one who is just in it for the free meal ticket? Do they “bond” too? – just not in the same way? 😉

Yes, I think that mentally bound is very important.
they may or may not bond the same way. Typically they do not bond at the same rate. Meaning one bonds before the other which is a big problem
Joab, I have asked you clarifying questions already – but my response was to Texas Roofers generality and mostly in humor. Let me illustrate: It is not true that all humans truly “bond” – many autistic people are not, many people who enter the US as mail order brides are not either. Just because two people live together does not mean they BOTH bond. That is the point of the earlier fornication posts …

My first room-mate was a womanizer – had a catholic girlfriend that he had “deflowered” in highschool. Now, my room mate and I were ‘friends’ – because the University of Portland rules forbid fresmen in the dorms to re-assign.
In spite of texas roofers comments, there was no unity between my roomate and I – especially when I hopped out of bed to find a girl in his bunk.

In spite of being against the rules, which I asked the RA to enforce not by getting him in trouble or expelled as this is a catholic school wich “on the books” forbids females in male rooms and vice versa after midnight (at least they used to) – the RA went to the priest which basically could have resulted in an expulsion.

Now, like you, this priest had pity – he recognized that the girl I met in my room-mates bed when jumping out of my bunk in my underwear (not the same deflowered catholic from highschool – but a different one) was depressed – and that Jason was “Helping her” by giving her comfort all night long. The RA got in trouble in-stead of my room-mate — which was overkill, because all I asked was that someone knock on the door to give warning so she knew when to go back to her own room as a courtesy at night. I wasn’t out for blood.

Now, did this room-mate Bond with her – which is texas roofer’s point – was she really his best friend or vice versa?

Let me tell you the outcome (besides my swallowing my pride over Fr. Mike’s decision – since getting through college was more important than teaching morals to my room-mate. I bought pajamas rather than be laughed at by the next girl in his bed. )

At the end of the year IBM corporation decided to sue the University of Portland – or at least they sent the letter of intent to sue – because my room-mate work studied for them, and they got wind of him using their equipment which he was to sell, as bait to bring women to my dorm room. Now, it was either expell him – or be sured for breach of contract… Good bye, Jason.

On the way out, he asked my opinion – should he stay with the original deflowered catholic girlfriend or choose the present one…

Apparently he hadn’t truly “bonded” to either of them.

There definitely was no unity between I and him.
It does not sound as though this guy and girl cohabitated however it would be a large oversight to believe neither had a bonding exprience. It may appear all are walking away with no change yet many, many find out later this is not the case.
 
Excellent!

However, I live in Oregon, and I believe that after a mere three years the state automatically taxes the couple as married. Consent is considered implied by the mere fact of co-habitation. Oregon is the leader in liberal trends … except where the catholic church is concerned…

Of course Oregon is NOT a common property state, so the status of “union” has nothing more than tax implications and insurance/dependent discrimination implications as far as the government is concerned.

Of course the Gay unions will hurt the insurance funding base a little, and they too will increase the tax base in Oregon. Follow the money!

( I am predicting, not that I know this will happen – but I bet it will… )
So in Oregon do children ever share rooms? it would seem to be a problem – or maybe there is more to the subject of cohabitation?
 
Joab,

Yes, I am quite aware of the uniqeness of individual situations – and have been repetitively surprised in real life at the twists individuals go through due to circumstances, deception, and the providence of God.
Thank you for these comments. There is a lot here and in some of your other posts (Adam & Eve, Dinah, incest) we have some work to do I’ll have some time later and we can explore these issues with some detail if you would like
 
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