How does Marian devotion save?

[ddarko]

Proof?

Wedding at Cana my Friend. Did you read my post entirely?

God Bless

 

[ddarko]

Can you show me in the Koran where it states that it is theopneustos (God-breathed)?

You are using circular logic. What a book says about itself can’t prove its infallibility. This applies to Bible, Koran or any other book.

God Bless

 

[Tomster]

Here you go Moon. Hot off the press.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=473208&page=3

AND THAT WOULD BE POST # 45.

Got it? Post # 45.

Moon,

This spirit of revelation, which I just presented to you in the above link, lives in the living hearts of the faithful, and is quickened and promoted by the apostolic teaching authority under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. It is the most genuine, primary and precious heritage from the preaching of Jesus and His Apostles. It is by means of this Spirit that revelation acquires its inward unity, its inter connection and its ultimate meaning.

 

[moondweller]

Wedding at Cana my Friend. Did you read my post entirely?

God Bless

Yes, I read your post. How does Mary speaking TO some waiters at a wedding on earth, 2000 years ago, prove that she speaks for YOU in heaven, now? How does that Scriptural account prove what you’re asserting?

 

[Tomster]

You are using circular logic. What a book says about itself can’t prove its infallibility. This applies to Bible, Koran or any other book.

God Bless

Moon,

Do you understand this?

 

[Tomster]

Yes, I read your post. How does Mary speaking TO some waiters at a wedding on earth, 2000 years ago, prove that she speaks for YOU in heaven, now? How does that Scriptural account prove what you’re asserting?

Once again, Moon, the doctrine of the Communion of Saints.

 

[Tomster]

Yes, I read your post. How does Mary speaking TO some waiters at a wedding on earth, 2000 years ago, prove that she speaks for YOU in heaven, now? How does that Scriptural account prove what you’re asserting?

Moon,

Now, please prove to us, how the Holy Spirit has spoken to both you and Fair Lady regarding OSAS and salvation and you both came up with totally different beliefs.

 

[antonabe]

From the Catholic Encyclopedia article on Infallibility:

newadvent.org/cathen/07790a.htm

‘There can be no such thing as an ecumenical council independent of, or in opposition to, the pope. No body can perform a strictly corporate function validly without the consent and co-operation of its head’

Note that it is not specified that the consent and cooperation of the Pope must be FORMAL.

“Finally, papal approbation is required to give ecumenical value and authority to conciliar decrees, and this must be subsequent to conciliar action,*** unless the pope, by his personal presence and conscience, has already given his official ratification***”

Mere personal presence of the Pope at a council, as the above paragraph shows, is enough to ratify the teachings of that Council - and when in recent centuries has there been an Ecumenical Council at which the Pope has NOT been personally present???

Exactly! This is the point I wanted emphasize!

 

[moondweller]

Moon,

This spirit of revelation, which I just presented to you in the above link, lives in the living hearts of the faithful, and is quickened and promoted by the apostolic teaching authority under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. It is the most genuine, primary and precious heritage from the preaching of Jesus and His Apostles. It is by means of this Spirit that revelation acquires its inward unity, its inter connection and its ultimate meaning.

You asked me if the Scriptures require an infallible interpreter. I replied, “no.” It needs a pneumakitos, along with dedicated study and prayer. What does the link you provided have to do with the answer I gave you?

 

[Tomster]

You are using circular logic. What a book says about itself can’t prove its infallibility. This applies to Bible, Koran or any other book.

God Bless

Indeed he is, which just supports my previous post that his logic (or better yet, lack thereof) is not one of Moondweller’s strengths.

 

[Tomster]

You asked me if the Scriptures require an infallible interpreter. I replied, “no.” It needs a pneumakitos, along with dedicated study and prayer. What does the link you provided have to do with the answer I gave you?

Everything, if you understood what the Bible says.

 

[moondweller]

Once again, Moon, the doctrine of the Communion of Saints.

“How does Mary speaking TO some waiters at a wedding on earth, 2000 years ago, prove that she speaks for YOU in heaven, now? How does that Scriptural account prove what you’re asserting?”

 

[Tomster]

You asked me if the Scriptures require an infallible interpreter. I replied, “no.” It needs a pneumakitos, along with dedicated study and prayer. What does the link you provided have to do with the answer I gave you?

Which came first?:

a) the Bible

or

b) Sacred Tradition

 

[moondweller]

Everything, if you understood what the Bible says.

“You asked me if the Scriptures require an infallible interpreter. I replied, “no.” It needs a pneumakitos, along with dedicated study and prayer. What does the link you provided have to do with the answer I gave you?”

 

[moondweller]

Which came first?:

a) the Bible

or

b) Sacred Tradition

“You asked me if the Scriptures require an infallible interpreter. I replied, “no.” It needs a pneumakitos, along with dedicated study and prayer. What does the link you provided have to do with the answer I gave you?”

 

[Tomster]

“How does Mary speaking TO some waiters at a wedding on earth, 2000 years ago, prove that she speaks for YOU in heaven, now? How does that Scriptural account prove what you’re asserting?”

moon,

As stated so many times to you in the past, your Incarnational theology is non-existent. You don’t know and you don’t know that you don’t know.

 

[moondweller]

moon,

As stated so many times to you in the past, your Incarnational theology is non-existent. You don’t know and you don’t know that you don’t know.

"You asked me if the Scriptures require an infallible interpreter. I replied, “no.” It needs a pneumatikos, along with dedicated study and prayer. What does the link you provided have to do with the answer I gave you?

 

[Tomster]

“You asked me if the Scriptures require an infallible interpreter. I replied, “no.” It needs a pneumakitos, along with dedicated study and prayer. What does the link you provided have to do with the answer I gave you?”

This reply of yours shows that the method you are placing your faith in is worthless. Again, ask Fair Lady what she thinks of OSAS. You are both using the same criteria to interpret Scriptures but coming up with contradictory conclusions.

Explain this to us once and for all. LITERALLY, ONCE AND FOR ALL!

 

[moondweller]

This reply of yours shows that the method you are placing your faith in is worthless. Again, ask Fair Lady what she thinks of OSAS. You are both using the same criteria to interpret Scriptures but coming up with contradictory conclusions.

Explain this to us once and for all. LITERALLY, ONCE AND FOR ALL!

"You asked me if the Scriptures require an infallible interpreter. I replied, “no.” It needs a pneumatikos, along with dedicated study and prayer. What does the link you provided have to do with the answer I gave you?

 

[Tomster]

You asked me if the Scriptures require an infallible interpreter. I replied, “no.” It needs a pneumakitos, along with dedicated study and prayer. What does the link you provided have to do with the answer I gave you?

And, yes, Scriptures, because it is the infallible Word of God, does require an infallible interpreter. And you have just shown all of us why this is true.