How does Marian devotion save?

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Hi. I’ve seen Many sites and prayerbooks say things like “Mary is the salvation of those who invoke her”, or “Pure and immaculate Queen, save me, and deliver me from eternal damnation,” and that wearing the scapular and praying the rosary daily will “save the world.” But what I want to know is, what is the mechanism behind these claims? By what means does devotion to Mary save people? Devotion to and belief in Jesus has obvious means of salvation, but Mary, it’s a little more murky. Anyone know?
 
Marian devotion doesn’t save, the Church is very clear on this, and any book or site that suggests otherwise is doing a grave disservice. The place of Mary, as of any saint in heaven, is always to lead us to God, to pray for us, and to provide us with an example of a holy life.

This kind of Marian “worship” (what else can one call it?) is not common in Catholicism, but it is out there on the fringe.

Can you provide some examples of these sites? I should add that sometimes Protestants claim the existence of some prayer or other that cannot be found other than on Protestant sites. That is, there is no independent proof that such a prayer actually exists.
 
Mary is awesome, and she’s has been instrumental with my faith, what a true gift our Lord has given us, his own Mother, to console and guide us, to help deliver our prayers, and to speak on our behalf to her son!!!

She is there to offer you a helping hand, to be one to turn to if you need some additional consolation, she will take your hand, and place it on her son’s, and that is what she’s about. Never underestimate her abilities as well. Our Mother is indeed, full of grace, and know that she’s a shining beacon of light, love, warmth and her gentle tone and guidance are something all of us should seek.
 
GreatScott7 said:
Hi. I’ve seen Many sites and prayerbooks say things like “Mary is the salvation of those who invoke her”, or “Pure and immaculate Queen, save me, and deliver me from eternal damnation,” and that wearing the scapular and praying the rosary daily will “save the world.” But what I want to know is, what is the mechanism behind these claims? By what means does devotion to Mary save people? Devotion to and belief in Jesus has obvious means of salvation, but Mary, it’s a little more murky. Anyone know?
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Marian devotion does not save. Only God saves.
 
I have to add here, I’m on day 13 of a 30 day novena, where I pray this special prayer every day to Mary, I’m watching things happen, seriously, I’m seriously starting to be rather wowed over it. Don’t underestimate our Mother, all I can say, she’s real, and she very much wants to help all of us!!!
 
My friend,

If you are at all inclined to reading, Saint Louis de Montfort wrote about this very subject, and was much more inspired than many of those who might answer your thread (no offense to anyone here!;)) CAF even has one of them available: True Devotion to Mary for a good price. Another is The Secret of the Rosary. This link only shows the first part, but it should help to answer some stuff (and it’s free!)
 
Mary intercedes in Heaven for us, by her most favored position as mother of Jesus. This is best expressed Biblically by the Wedding at Cana:

[BIBLEDRB]John 2:3-5[/BIBLEDRB]

Without the gentle love of his Blessed Mother, Jesus may not have taken action here. It is the same when we pray, for instance, the Memorare. We remind Mary of her unfailing help to us here on Earth, and she intercedes on our behalf.

This is what the Communion of Saints is all about, this is intercessory prayer. Each of the saints in heaven has a special perspective on things, and we appeal to the most appropriate person, just as we would among the living.

See also: Mediatrix and Co-Redemptrix.
 
Everything Mary does only leads us to Jesus!

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

mark
 
GreatScott7 said:
Hi. I’ve seen Many sites and prayerbooks say things like “Mary is the salvation of those who invoke her”, or “Pure and immaculate Queen, save me, and deliver me from eternal damnation,” and that wearing the scapular and praying the rosary daily will “save the world.” But what I want to know is, what is the mechanism behind these claims? By what means does devotion to Mary save people? Devotion to and belief in Jesus has obvious means of salvation, but Mary, it’s a little more murky. Anyone know?
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By the means of her prayers for us in heaven. Mary serves her divine Son as a physical channel of divine grace. The actual graces we receive through her intercession help us continue to live in a habitual state of grace. Mary is “the salvation of those who invoke her” in the sense that she is the dispensatrix of God’s saving grace through her maternal prayers on behalf of those who supplicate her.

PAX :heaven:
 
Elizium23 said:
Mary intercedes in Heaven for us, by her most favored position as mother of Jesus. This is best expressed Biblically by the Wedding at Cana:

[BIBLEDRB]John 2:3-5[/BIBLEDRB]

Without the gentle love of his Blessed Mother, Jesus may not have taken action here…
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I really doubt that Jesus depended on any human for accomplishing His mission.
 
diggerdomer said:
I really doubt that Jesus depended on any human for accomplishing His mission.
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It’s not a matter of dependence, it’s a matter of cooperation.
Judas’s role was INCIDENTAL to God’s plan of salvation, but Mary’s role was REQUIRED.

No Mary, no Jesus.
Know Mary, know Jesus.
 
GreatScott7 said:
Hi. I’ve seen Many sites and prayerbooks say things like “Mary is the salvation of those who invoke her”, or “Pure and immaculate Queen, save me, and deliver me from eternal damnation,” and that wearing the scapular and praying the rosary daily will “save the world.” But what I want to know is, what is the mechanism behind these claims? By what means does devotion to Mary save people? Devotion to and belief in Jesus has obvious means of salvation, but Mary, it’s a little more murky. Anyone know?
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‘I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some.’ (1 Corinthians 9:22).

Surely Paul cannot be claiming to be able to save people? Indeed he is!

The answer to this seeming difficulty lies in another of Paul’s statements - “it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me” (Galatians 2:20).

When Christ truly lives in someone as He did and does in both Paul and Mary, their thoughts, words and actions and everything about them become His. Likewise, surely not unsurprisingly, everything about HIM becomes theirs, as the very wounds of His crucifixion became the stigmata of St Francis and St Pio.
 
kepha1 said:
It’s not a matter of dependence, it’s a matter of cooperation.
Judas’s role was INCIDENTAL to God’s plan of salvation, but Mary’s role was REQUIRED.

No Mary, no Jesus.
Know Mary, know Jesus.
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Wow…wait a minute…you’re saying that if Mary said “no” then Jesus would not have become incarnate, suffered, died, rose, and ascended to glory? Mary…a human…had the ability to thwart God’s plan?

Say more, please!
 
GreatScott7 said:
Hi. I’ve seen Many sites and prayerbooks say things like “Mary is the salvation of those who invoke her”, or “Pure and immaculate Queen, save me, and deliver me from eternal damnation,” and that wearing the scapular and praying the rosary daily will “save the world.” But what I want to know is, what is the mechanism behind these claims? By what means does devotion to Mary save people? Devotion to and belief in Jesus has obvious means of salvation, but Mary, it’s a little more murky. Anyone know?
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It is impossible to understand Catholic teachings about Mary without first understanding the teachings of Christ. One has to keep first and foremost that the only way to heaven is through Christ. But we also need to remember that frequently, a persons mother, pastor or other people certainly can help one understand who Christ is.

I have heard people say, Pastor such and such saved my life, and brought me to Christ. No one believes that the pastor has any personal power to save someone, but understand that Christ worked THROUGH that pastor to save them. It is in this way that Mary can “save” us.

God works through His people to save us everyday. Glory to God!

God Bless,
Maria
 
diggerdomer said:
Wow…wait a minute…you’re saying that if Mary said “no” then Jesus would not have become incarnate, suffered, died, rose, and ascended to glory? Mary…a human…had the ability to thwart God’s plan?

Say more, please!
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Yes, but there was no risk becasue Jesus, who is God after all, is omniscient; one of the reasons He chose Mary to be His Mother was that He knew she’d say yes to His plan. But Jesus would certainly not deny Mary free will by forcing himself into her or anything like that. The choice was Mary’s, but Jesus chose Mary because He knew she’d make that choice.
 
Marc_Anthony said:
Yes, but there was no risk becasue Jesus, who is God after all, is omniscient; one of the reasons He chose Mary to be His Mother was that He knew she’d say yes to His plan. But Jesus would certainly not deny Mary free will by forcing himself into her or anything like that. The choice was Mary’s, but Jesus chose Mary because He knew she’d make that choice.
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Jesus didn’t choose Mary, God did. And that doesn’t answer my question to the post i responded to.
 
diggerdomer said:
Wow…wait a minute…you’re saying that if Mary said “no” then Jesus would not have become incarnate, suffered, died, rose, and ascended to glory? Mary…a human…had the ability to thwart God’s plan?

Say more, please!
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2674 Mary gave her consent in faith at the Annunciation and maintained it without hesitation at the foot of the Cross. Ever since, her motherhood has extended to the brothers and sisters of her Son “who still journey on earth surrounded by dangers and difficulties.” Jesus, the only mediator, is the way of our prayer; Mary, his mother and ours, is wholly transparent to him: she “shows the way” (hodigitria), and is herself “the Sign” of the way, according to the traditional iconography of East and West.
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N.B. God wouldn’t do something that would thwart his plans; however, Mary could have said no because she had free will like all of us. **The fact that she didn’t **and that is part of the beauty of Our Lady, beauty that Our God saw and thus chose her as Mother of Our Salvation!
 
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